Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[Mrspratcher]

Total ignoramous here, regarding the law. (and of lots of other things too!) But if they want it sealed, that would mean it might conflict with his allegations towards SW, and that there tends to be no proof she did it? Or definitive proof he did? Kill the children, that is.

I see it two ways: (i) same as the prosecution - they don't want to taint the potential jury pool; or (ii) they don't like what they see.

 

[MassGuy]

So she was making at least $20,000 a month?

That’s gross earnings, if that number is true.

Very few people make much money as these things go, and until proven otherwise, I don’t believe it would have helped their financial situation much.

 

[mickey2942]

He is a coward. I wish he had committed suicide.

Probably. He won't be a favorite in prison, but he will probably find a core group, who also hates women and blames them for all of their problems. They are all victims in prison.

 

[Thepoet]

Hmmm... That is why she had to die that early morning? Before she goes to the doctor's appointment?

Okay! That is a very interesting question! I believe Doctors don't give bad news over the phone. Hmmm?

 

[kkdj]

So she was making at least $20,000 a month?

Well then he definitely wasn't the one wanting out! Plus she could have afforded the house herself!

 

[Mellowmelly]

Hmmm... That is why she had to die that early morning? Before she goes to the doctor's appointment?

Possibly or maybe an std could of made her aware of an affair happening ?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

This was posted by SW's verified friend on a previous thread:
@isalybra

"The ranks go from 80k to 200K, a big jump. In April her monthly sales were about 130k"​

The Le-Vel rewards plan:
https://media.le-vel.com/Documents/RewardsPlan.pdf
If I understand their lingo correctly, SW would have earned 20% on her direct sales, 12% on her level 1 customers and 4% on level 2 & 3 customers.

There are also Uni-level team commissions. SW was 80K VIP sales (monthly), so she would have earned 4% for 8 levels down.

There are other bonuses as well like "Infinity fast start", auto bonuses, all inclusive trips, etc.

I'll bet CW's sales were mainly from SW's effort and they did so to maximize their overall family income because they would be essentially doubling their downline commission to a point. JMO

So she was making at least $20,000 a month?

I doubt it. (SW would have earned 20% on her direct sales, 12% on her level 1 customers and 4% on level 2 & 3 customers.) Without knowing what her direct sales and down line sales were we can’t really figure out what she was making.
jmo

 

[BabyButterfly]

I am not sure why they would be so behind on the mortgage. He made enough to pay the monthly mortgage with his job.

No one has proof that they were behind on their mortgage.

 

[MassGuy]

Probably. He won't be a favorite in prison, but he will probably find a core group, who also hates women and blames them for all of their problems. They are all victims in prison.

I’m not sure their is any group that will accept what he did, especially in regards to his children.

He’s destined to spend the rest of his life in administrative segregation, unless he ends up on death row, which is essentially the same thing.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I see it two ways: (i) same as the prosecution - they don't want to taint the potential jury pool; or (ii) they don't like what they see.

Given the jury pool is currently mainly only consuming MSM which paints him as likely guilty, I do not understand why the defense would want (i) if there is enough exculpatory evidence for them to help even out coverage in his favor? Would a strong defense actually seek to seal the report if they felt letting it out into the public would help their case?

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't think they had any car payments because her employer gave them the monthly car payments as part of her pay.

I think he made enough to pay the mortgage. They may have had some credit card debt, but I doubt that they had very high credit limits, because they had a bankruptcy discharge just a 3 years prior.

Maybe I'm thinking of prior to the bankrupcy, his truck was listed as being $600 a month. I'm not sure when. I thought it was because hers was a company car and his wasn't. How were they able to get such nice cars through the company? I've known many people who drive company cars who own big companies but the cars are always pretty conservative. Jmo

 

[gitana1]

I keep reading that preexisting conditions may be revoked. That insurance may go back to the way it was. You will be denied and put on risk unless you are on a group plan at a job. This has not happened but will? Not sure.

The kids would be under his plan as part of a divorce decree, I would imagine. She would be on her own.

The likelihood of going back to what we had is very small IMO. People would lose their minds. That aside, I doubt what could possibly happen informed her decision to stay or go or her feelings about it.

However, as to wanting to stay in a dead marriage due to health insurance coverage in general, and worrying about the costs, yes it certainly happens in our country. And she could've been concerned about it.

But she could qualify for Medicaid. Even if he had health insurance available. It covers single parents and their children regardless of whether another parent has coverage.

It's more often spouses who don't have kids that I see worry about staying married so they won't lose their benefits. I don't see it as much with parents.

And apparently the Colorado ACA is as comprehensive as in CA. Even for people who are middle class earners. Like CA they have their own, health care exchange and it offers pretty low rates to people depending on their situation.

Yes, she would be entitled to COBRA. And to transitioning to the ACA via her current plan. Which is likely what she would do instead.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Given the jury pool is currently mainly only consuming MSM which paints him as likely guilty, I do not understand why the defense would want (i) if there is enough exculpatory evidence for them to help even out coverage in his favor? Would a strong defense actually seek to seal the report if they felt letting it out into the public would help their case?

If CW was my client, and the results were favorable to my trial strategy, I would want the results released. Back-door form of making a comment, without making a comment.

 

[idfinch]

I think the mortgage only has to be behind by 3 months. Maybe it was getting close and that's why CW was talking so much about selling the house. Maybe he wanted to sell before it went into foreclosure. Jmo

I am not sure why they would be so behind on the mortgage. He made enough to pay the monthly mortgage with his job.

No one has proof that they were behind on their mortgage.

Thank you, I was going to ask that. Being behind on their mortgage (*originally typoed to say "marriage", oooops) and facing foreclosure is starting to be discussed like it's a known fact.

Do we know from any verified source or MSM that they were behind with their mortgage and/or facing losing the house, or was this all speculation? Is there a link someone could share? Thanks!

 

[PommyMommy]

You are right. Family dynamics should be discussed and they will be discussed in this trial. I think he killed them all. I still believe that. But her online presence, that she willingly put out there, shows me a helpful husband and dad and a distracted mom who had two precious babies. The babies were the innocent ones. I think mom had big insecurity issues and dad had to have some terrible problem to have killed his family if he indeed did kill them. Finances and social media are going to play a big part in the trial. Edited for spelling

I am really baffled as to why some view Shanann as insecure because I see the polar opposite; a very secure woman. She is secure enough to go live on FB frequently, pose for photos in a bikini, post photos and videos of herself with no makeup on and she publicly tells her truth – the good, the bad and the ugly. We have heard about her divorce, her health challenges, her friendships, her children’s personalities and activities, etc. She’s secure enough to voice all of those things openly, but you think she’s insecure? May I ask why?
MOO

 

[gitana1]

Would she be able to get health insurance? I think with all of her issues, it may be impossible or are the preexisting conditions still not allowed to be denied?

Yes she would be able to get insurance. It is illegal to deny based on preexisting conditions. The ACA in CO is very good. She wouldn't pay more due to her conditions. Unless she was smoking.

 

[Thepoet]

I see it two ways: (i) same as the prosecution - they don't want to taint the potential jury pool; or (ii) they don't like what they see.

I see it two ways: (i) same as the prosecution - they don't want to taint the potential jury pool; or (ii) they don't like what they see.

The prosecution saw enough, before the autopsy to file five first degree murder charges. The autopsy will probably be icing on the cake and the prosecution doesn't want to taint the jury pool.

I believe the DA wants CW very badly, for all he can get, and isn't taking chances.

 

[Shekkiec]

Possibly or maybe an std could of made her aware of an affair happening ?

She was 15 weeks along imo her initial exam, tests,cultures would have indicated that and as to her having other appointments afterwards if she had any symptoms irregularly speaking I would be assured the dr would test her at any given point. Moo

 

[Shekkiec]

Have we had anyone who knew CW speak negatively of him?

No

 

[Deleted member 182072]

So she was making at least $20,000 a month?

It's hard to say, but I doubt that 130K Aprils sales figure was all from her direct sales which she would have received 20% on. She did seem to be one of the few who could make good money from MLMs.

It almost makes me wonder if she really was making good money selling Thrive products, maybe CW thought he would gain all her customers if she just disappeared, along with ALL of the gain on the sale of their residence. I'll also bet any Le-Vel customers he did have would dump him if he had just left his pregnant wife and little girls. JMO

SW's verified friend wrote on a previous thread:
@isalybra

"That's very difficult to configure. It's not a flat percentage of total sales. It's multi level. Another member posted the percentage breakdown. To know exactly what she made you would have to know her entire downline and their downline and breakdown all the sales from each level to know what her income was. I cannot do that"​