Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[kkdj]

Why did CW need to speak with his dad before confessing? Or would only confess, if he could speak to this dad?

This is what I keep pondering.

Perhaps he needed to give his dad instruction about something?

 

[Shekkiec]

Maybe the Doctor did test her and it was going to be discussed. Maybe CW knew he had an STD and was sitting on a powder keg waiting and finally snapped! MOO!

If my ob didn’t not catch an std within 15 weeks imo I would choose another unless I was the one carrying an std and we have no indication of her having one either

 

[Nessa131]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/U Peoples Notice.pdf

So autopsy is in. Any idea when we will know if it will be released before trial?

Edit for spelling error

 

[MsBetsy]

If CW was my client, and the results were favorable to my trial strategy, I would want the results released. Back-door form of making a comment, without making a comment.

But then what if most of the jurors you interviewed said they thought it looked favorable, or thought that because of the results he may be innocent, would they be allowed on the jury?

 

[MassGuy]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/U Peoples Notice.pdf

So autopsy is in. Any idea when we will know if it will be released before trial?

Edit for spelling error

There will be a legal fight, and because of the laws regarding autopsy disclosure in Colorado, there will be an uphill battle to keep them sealed.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I think that is likely based on legal advice, not a lack of conviction on their part. MOO

Maybe, but I am not so sure. The current state of the potential jury pool favors the prosecution. A strong defense would, IMO, would have reason to want to even out the general perception of CW, IMO. We have seen it in past cases where family members give media interviews to help the defendant's public perception. I am sure they are told not to SELL their story but not so sure they are told not to say a word publicly when the state of the public's current perception is so strongly pro-prosecution in the MSM, IMO.

 

[scdiv]

You are right. Family dynamics should be discussed and they will be discussed in this trial. I think he killed them all. I still believe that. But her online presence, that she willingly put out there, shows me a helpful husband and dad and a distracted mom who had two precious babies. The babies were the innocent ones. I think mom had big insecurity issues and dad had to have some terrible problem to have killed his family if he indeed did kill them. Finances and social media are going to play a big part in the trial. Edited for spelling

I'm just so curious what type of defense the defense team can even put on. If it's motive and they stick with CW killed SW because she killed their daughters - well, that's his motive. If they decide that story is stupid because of how unlikely it would be that he would kill his wife in the same exact manner that she killed their daughters and then staged an elaborate cover up and disposal of bodies and fake worry news interviews, then hopefully there is enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did in fact murder the girls. He already confessed to killing SW.

I am not an attorney, but will any other factors like finances or social media or MLM matter in terms of being able to get a conviction? Those may be contributing factors as to the "why" - but do they add up to evidence? Is introducing reasons "why" CW may have done this enough to win a case? I still can't believe any juror would believe SW went into a rage and killed both kids and CW reacted by killing her. If he felt the slightest bit remorseful over what he has done to his family, he should spare her family the pain, confess to the truth, and spare everyone a charade of innocence. I get he is entitled to due process and a legal defense, but it is infuriating if he is blaming HIS crime as his VICTIM'S doing!

ETA: I guess what I am ultimately trying to say is:
- If CW says he killed SW because she was killing the kids - no other factors are coming into play. It was because he claims he saw her doing this.
- If this was not the reason why, and it was because - pick a reason - she was annoying, on SM all the time, he had a new love interest, he wanted a fresh start, debt, her MLM life was taking over - well, none of those are acceptable reasons for murder. It doesn't really matter why he killed her or what else was going on in their lives. It's a crime. Isn't that enough? Those aren't extenuating circumstances.

 

[pocketaccent]

That's an interesting theory but I thought it was an ultrasound appointment.

We were just playing around a theory as per usual. So even though it was an ultrasound appointment, SW may have asked her doctor about her concerns re STD. IDK.

If that was the reason why he killed her, that would be the most lame motive ever.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Maybe the Doctor did test her and it was going to be discussed. Maybe CW knew he had an STD and was sitting on a powder keg waiting and finally snapped! MOO!

I agree, she could have been tested recently and was awaiting the results perhaps.

 

[MsBetsy]

Excellent post and strong points. She was not insecure, she was a fighter and a winner! I think we will find that CW and all his horrible acts and dirty little secrets will be the center of the trial.

In fact, didn't her teacher from high school point out that although she was shy and insecure in high school (which is common to me) he was so impressed by how much self confidence she had developed as an adult?

 

[PommyMommy]

I don’t recall anything negative being said about CW (pre-murders). We have a VI here who has spoken highly of him, as well as several former classmates, his high school teacher, and a former roommate of his at NASCAR school. JMO

‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?

'He was the best student I ever had': Chris Watts' high school teacher says he is in shock

CNN.com - Transcripts

Not at all unusual for family annihilators. It fits the description to a "T", actually.

'The profile of a family annihilator is a middle-aged man, a good provider who would appear to neighbours to be a dedicated husband and a devoted father,' Levin said. 'He quite often tends to be quite isolated. He is often profoundly dedicated to his family, but has few friends of his own or a support system out with the family.
Focus: Fathers who kill their children

Chris Foster had a large collection of guns and belonged to a clay pigeon shooting club. The men there knew him as a loving husband and affectionate father. He went shooting one last time, at a barbecue, that day. That night, at home, he shot his wife and daughter in the back of their heads, killing them.
Entitled Shame, Family Annihilators, and Toxic Masculinity | HuffPost

71% were employed, with occupations ranged from surgeons and marketing executives, to postmen, police and lorry drivers.
Characteristics of family killers revealed: The male dominated crime most common in August

Sadly, children sometimes become a pawn in a deadly game played between two conflicting parties: the mother and the father. In these situations, the father will murder the child, or even children as a way to “get back at the mother” and “teach her a lesson”. This could be because she is getting involved with other people or simply because of ongoing disagreements.
Deadly Dads: Some of the Shocking Reasons Fathers Kill Their Own Children | The Forensic Outreach Library

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Exactly. And most things said about him are the same sort of things I'd say about my neighbor who I wave to each morning, but I don't actually know much about. "He was quiet, he *seemed* like a good dad, they *seemed* to have the perfect marriage, he didn't socialize much, didn't have many girlfriends, etc." You're not seeing people coming out of the woodwork saying they hung out with him. It doesn't really seem like he had any friends outside of people he met through Shanann.

There are many, many people with the same personality traits that are not family annihilators.
jmo

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Yes, which can be consistent with the profile of a family annihilator. But there are is also not one person PUBLICLY (not anonymously) coming out so far to defend CW and say they believe he did not do it. They have just said they did not see this coming, IMO.

Right. Publicly no one has spoken negatively of either SW or CW. We've only seen negative comments regarding both of them by anonymous posters on the internet which is par for the course in any crime, especially one of this magnitude. What we haven't seen is anyone, family or friends or anyone who knew CW personally, defend him. Maybe there are some who do believe him but don't want to put themselves out there, however we do usually see someone speak on behalf of the accused. It doesn't matter to me either way and has no bearing on my decision of who the guilty party is in this case. I feel very confident in it. My mind could be changed if more evidence comes out, although I highly doubt that's going to happen.

 

[MsBetsy]

If my ob didn’t not catch an std within 15 weeks imo I would choose another unless I was the one carrying an std and we have no indication of her having one either

Right, that would be tested when they first do the bloodwork very early on. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

There are many, many people with the same personality traits that are not family annihilators.
jmo

Exactly. That’s precisely what makes these cases so scary.

 

[gitana1]

Self-employed here with the same preexisting conditions as SW. I can corroborate that, with the ACA, getting health insurance for kids and myself has been no problem. Our conditions do not factor into cost. Whether she remained in CO or returned to NC, it shouldn't have been a problem. Both states have subsidies which make premium payments based on income.

CO is among the 12 states that eagerly adopted all facets of the ACA, immediately implemented a state exchange and thus have a well-functioning ACA.

She would've been fine.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, which can be consistent with the profile of a family annihilator. But there are is also not one person PUBLICLY (not anonymously) coming out so far to defend CW and say they believe he did not do it. They have just said they did not see this coming, IMO.

Under the circumstances I don’t find it unusual that people, friends and family aren’t coming out publicly to defend or to speak about CW.
jmo

 

[Mrspratcher]

But then what if most of the jurors you interviewed said they thought it looked favorable, or thought that because of the results he may be innocent, would they be allowed on the jury?

Yes, as long as they confirmed they were open to hearing all of the evidence, and had not made up their mind, one way or the other.

 

[MerryB]

Absolutely true. But this VI didn’t speak just highly of him, she attacked SW.

Because these people are anonymous (and there’s of course nothing wrong with that), we don’t know the nature of their relationship to the parties involved.

They may be biased, or have a vested interest based on the closeness of their relationship.

These people should be heard, and we should make a judgement for ourselves if we are going to listen or not.

But they can’t change the facts, and we should take what they say “with a grain of salt.”

If what they say causes you to completely change your opinion of SW and CW, you are likely putting too much stock in one lone source of evidence. JMO.

This is the question I was attempting to answer with my post:

Have we had anyone who knew CW speak negatively of him?

 

[Ronso]

There are many, many people with the same personality traits that are not family annihilators.
jmo

But those specific traits (not having friends, being quiet, etc) are pretty much standard with family annihilators.