Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[Allabouttrial]

I think the post was in reference to SW's account, which I think the family would not delete as it is evidence.

Agree, I understood. More than likely the family will not delete it just yet, but if they did it's not a big deal to retrieve the data.

 

[Best of What's Around]

riolove77 even for a lawyer you have to admit that CW has been deemed 100 percent guilty for all the crimes he is charged with despite all the evidence coming forward as yet.

CW has not been found guilty of any crime yet in a court of law. Even then, he does not have to be believed 100% guilty, just beyond a reasonable doubt.

CW said he murdered his wife using his own two hands in a process that takes minutes at least. He failed to call 911 to save his children if you believe his story. He said he tampered with evidence that might disprove his guilt and dumped the bodies of his family. He said he lied to the public to get them to use resources that could be used on real crimes to go look for missing family that were never missing to him. These admissions alone, backed up by evidence, do not garner this man sympathy and empathy by the average person, IMO. He is not an innocent man no matter whether you believe his confession or not.

 

[tmar]

I wonder if CW abused his children, aside from killing them, and if that information is available from the autopsy. Maybe that is why he wanted the bodies degraded quickly.

That would elevate him past depravity.

Yes, I have thought about this.
What have the autopsies revealed?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I don't think anyone thinks a trial is not needed. This is the United States of America. Every one is entitled to due process. We would be a dictatorship without it.

But citizens are also entitled, as long as they aren't part of his court process, to forming opinions in the absence of a judgment from a court of law, and that is not a violation of his due process rights.

I feel this post could insinuate that people who have formed such opinions represent a lynch mob. I don't think one person here would advocate sending CW to the gallows without a fair trial.

My post was jmo and was not intended to insinuate others are advocates of an unfair trial for CW.

 

[MsBetsy]

Maybe she stripped the bed after they woke up because she was planning on washing it. If I remember correctly, they normally woke up around 4 am and we all know her house was spotless.
jmo

How is that an indication that she may have murdered her children? Or that he did not?

 

[katydid23]

What facts do you feel are being ignored, excused or downplayed?
TIA

I know what I think that the people who are supporting CW's version of events, are ignoring.

IMO, they are ignoring that he didn't do anything to get immediate medical help for his 2nd child, who HE HIMSELF SAID was being actively strangled. He could have hit the panic button on the alarm system and help would have been dispatched. he could have screamed bloody murder, and help would have come. He could have called 911, and started the ambulance.
[at this point, he had no reason to fear calling for help because he hadn't done anything bad, right?]

They are ignoring the fact that he made revenge against his wife a priority ahead of help for his dying child and over the life of his unborn son.

They are ignoring the fact that rather than preserve important forensic evidence that could prove his innocence, he chose to submerge the babies into a vat of crude oil. Makes me think he didn't want anyone to look at the touch DNA on their little necks.

They like to claim that he panicked and that is why he didn't call 911. But his actions in those next hours were not panicky reactions. He backed up the truck in the drive, warmed the engine,calmly loaded up the garbage bags full of dead bodies, and drove it to his work site. He went to work like it was a regular boring Monday. No panic that anyone would have seen.


People try to ignore his obvious lack of grief and sorrow and say that he was nervous and scared. Yes, he did look nervous. But he was also upbeat and smily and made casual small talk. He did not look at all like a man who was devastated by seeing his babies being brutally strangled. He seemed like a man who was relieved, but a bit nervous he might be caught.

 

[mickey2942]

Yes, I have thought about this.
What have the autopsies revealed?

We don't know yet, they have been sealed, but the defense recieved copies today.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Why do people think he is guilty as charged? Could it be because of his inexplicable actions after the deaths of his children?

Even though I still have one *ss cheek on the fence, that’s a big one for me. It’s beyond horrid and crazy.
jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

Deleted by me to add gitana1's post

 

[tmar]

I agree, serious kudos indeed. And I also agree with you; he will get what he has coming.

Yep, karma is round the corner, and he will never be free.

 

[Johnny1181]

What evidence? What is "all the evidence coming forward"?

I am truly, sincerely, waiting to hear about "all the evidence" that has come forward to support the theory that Shannan murdered CeCe and Bella.

 

[gitana1]

I honestly keep responding to opinions asking for an actual theory, such as Shannan had the motive and emotions to strangle her babies. I've asked for real theories to support CW's accusations, because some here do.

But unlesss I'm just missing the posts, I'm not seeing any theories based on evidence.

I'm posting sincerely and not with snark. I would like to hear the theories behind the posts asserting Shanann could have, did, had reason to strangle her babies. With some kind of supporting evidence.
CW left plenty of evidence. Per the affadavit we know the horror he confessed to.

jmo

What would convince me that SW might have done it is text messages or emails or audio/video recordings that show SW threatening to harm the kids if he ever tried to leave her and an MRI showing CW has brain damage.

 

[cailleach]

Agree, I understood. More than likely the family will not delete it just yet, but if they did it's not a big deal to retrieve the data.

I should clarify that I never meant to imply they should have done anything other than keep it closed to the general public. It would have reduced the dissection of every single thing she ever posted. The amount of unprovoked animosity makes my head spin so I'm sure it's upsetting to family and close friends.

 

[Johnny1181]

What would convince me that SW might have done it is text messages or emails or audio/video recordings that show SW threatening to harm the kids if he ever tried to leave her and an MRI showing CW has brain damage.

gitana1.... you're the best in my book. JMO Lol

 

[gitana1]

My post was jmo and was not intended to insinuate others are advocates of an unfair trial for CW.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am truly, sincerely, waiting to hear about "all the evidence" that has come forward to support the theory that Shannan murdered CeCe and Bella.

Never mind. Too tired.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

gitana1.... you're the best in my book. JMO Lol

Mine too!

 

[whisperOFwings]

I thought it meant it was a silly reason or maybe time consuming rigamarole, I never got the idea that the reason for changing schools for Bella was "potentially salacious". But then I also don't think we have had any hint of Shan'nan having character problems or potential psychological problems

I agree Nuttmegg.
I got the impression (MOO) that just 'maybe' it was a tiny bit of snarkiness (as in 'enough already')?
It was a bad weekend for all of us (8" hole), and the questions about the school went on and on.
Empathy can be a wonderful thing

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I honestly keep responding to opinions asking for an actual theory, such as Shannan had the motive and emotions to strangle her babies. I've asked for real theories to support CW's accusations, because some here do.

But unlesss I'm just missing the posts, I'm not seeing any theories based on evidence.

I'm posting sincerely and not with snark. I would like to hear the theories behind the posts asserting Shanann could have, did, had reason to strangle her babies. With some kind of supporting evidence.
CW left plenty of evidence. Per the affadavit we know the horror he confessed to.

jmo

I’m still on the fence (one foot on SW side and close to jumping) and I haven’t decided yet. I think there’s a lot more to this that we don’t know and I’m waiting for more to come out. It’s impossible for me to give a theory when I don’t feel there’s enough evidence to convict either one for the death of their girls.
jmo

 

[liltexans]

Has anyone here said a trial isn't needed? We aren't a jury though. We are just people on a message board who have formed an opinion based on the evidence we have so far. I do think people have strong feelings about his guilt and also strong feelings about how the victim has been treated. She's not a suspect except in the minds of people who have taken a dislike to her from SM and choose to believe the words of a confessed killer.

Shan'ann isn't here to defend herself. That's what keeps sticking with me. She isn't here to either confirm or refute CW's story. He has the luxury of being alive and able to state whatever he wants about the events that transpired that night/morning. Shan'ann does not. It takes a person with a tremendous lack of character and a lot of arrogance to pin blame on a dead person who cannot tell her own story. CW reminds me of Drew Peterson in that regard as Drew has always blamed his dead and missing wives for being dead or missing. The evidence and the prosecution will tell the story for Shan'ann. Meanwhile, CW gets to keep breathing and he will absolutely be granted a fair trial, as is his right.