Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[MassGuy]

What proof is there that the children were not already dead when CW entered the room? I'd like to see a link.
Thanks.

Per his story, this had just happened. They would have been revivable at that point (theoretically atleast). Of course there wasn’t going to be any reviving.

 

[katydid23]

I think so too. I have a guess what it might be. Do you?

Umm, he tried to revive the little girl but his wife jumped on him and he had to strangle her , and then it was too late to save his babies. The End.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Could the drop in SW's salary be that she was pregant with CeCe?
In one video, she said that she was so tired working 2 jobs. In another video, SW spoke of having to drive in snow at night to get to the Children's Hospital job.

Their bankruptcy filing was dated 6/5/15 and CeCe was born on 7/17/15. They did in fact indicate on their bankruptcy form that they were expecting another child and that she would be working fewer hours.
Posting from this site only because it is the actual bankruptcy form, not their article:
https://***********.com/wp-content/...y-filing-murdered-wife-two-daughters-docs.pdf

Their bankruptcy filing also show their mortgage balance was $378,348 (original balance $392,709, start date 5/2013) as of 6/15 which means they were current on their payments at that time.
If you use a 4.15% rate it's almost exactly to the dollar:
Loan Amortization Calculator

If you go forward in time on the schedule to 8/18 when SW was murdered, the balance is down to $354K, assuming they were still current.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...9628,-105.075131_rect/12_zm/1_fr/?view=public

If the Zestimate of $501K is accurate, than that would have been a nice tax free gain (net of selling costs) for CW to keep all to himself if LE had just bought his absurd story about her leaving.

 

[Madison418]

Does any one expect that there would be DNA from CW on the children? They were submerged in a vat of crude oil. That is not helpful in preserving touch DNA, IMO.

I'm doubtful there will be IMO

 

[katydid23]

what was cause of death ? Aphixiation or broken neck ? Was her carotid artery compressed? Was her brain stem snapped? We do not know the cause of death there are factors that could be important in time it took for her to die.

We don't know the answer to any of your questions...AND NEITHER DID HE.

He had no idea if his girls were beyond medical help. That's why loving parents ALWAYS call for immediate medical intervention if they find their kids unresponsive. They don't shrug and say, too late, then dump them in an oil tank.

 

[MKZoo]

No, it's not that cut and dried. Drs. and Midwives don't always jot down something like that.

I'm happy to wrong on this but doesn't doctor patient confidentiality extend beyond death? If so, that might be an issue in terms of bearing out this theory. Jmo.

 

[kkdj]

He murdered his unborn son and he has admitted that already.

He didn't try to save his youngest daughter---he admitted that already, when he said he went into a rage and strangled his wife. And he could have called for medical help, as she was still able to be revived. And at that point, he hadn't murdered his wife and son, so there was no reason to be afraid to call foe medical help.

His story stinks. I have a feeling it is going to change yet again.

 

[katydid23]

That’s what I thought as well, but there’s not much they can do with it if it was locked or without a search warrant.
jmo

Chris gave his consent.

 

[Starkville]

@NuttMegg

“He is a coward. I wish he had committed suicide”.

I don’t. He’s destroyed the lives of his wife and unborn baby plus his two little girls. He’s shattered the lives of not only SW’s family but also that of his own family, all of whom will have to live with what he’s done forever. He needs to pay dearly for his cruel and evil acts and that means imprisonment for the rest of his life, and I hope it’s a very long one.

I agree! In the case of the Hart family, the mother who annihilated the family by driving them all off a cliff. It made me so angry that she and her partner would never have to face any reckoning or justice. These people should spend the rest of their lives in prison.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I'm happy to wrong on this but doesn't doctor patient confidentiality extend beyond death? If so, that might be an issue in terms of bearing out this theory. Jmo.

Medical records can be court ordered.

 

[NuttMegg]

Umm, he tried to revive the little girl but his wife jumped on him and he had to strangle her , and then it was too late to save his babies. The End.

And no need to try CPR or call 911, they might end up brain dead.

 

[katydid23]

I’m not sure, but I know many times they still need a warrant to scrub the phone.
jmo

In the case of missing children and pregnant mothers, who are in possibly life threatening circumstances, they are allowed to look at evildence with that consent. I am sure they followed up with warrants to be cautious.

But they would have wanted to immediately check to see if someone had called her and said ' I will come get you guys now.' etc etc

 

[MyBelle]

How so? She had a little too much caffeine?

CW's defense (for now) is that he killed SW because she was in the midst of murdering Cece after he told her he wanted a separation. I'm just not connecting the dots between patches and CW's defense strategy.

It goes to SW's state of mind and willingness to risk her own and her unborn child's health in order to promote a product and a lifestyle. The lifestyle would be nearly impossible to maintain if the couple separated. Have mothers murdered their children after their husbands left them for another relationship? Absolutely. JMO

 

[WildWest]

The problem for CW is that his story, of flying into a rage and strangling his wife, THAT prevents him of ever saying he tried to save the girls.

He says SW was 'active;ly strangling' the 2nd child. Thus the child was possibly able to be revived, given medical help.

But by spending those precious several minutes, strangling his wife, and killing his unborn son, he is allowing the certain death of his 2nd daughter.

He cannot ever say that he tried to save his daughter, because his story prevents that from happening.

Hey Katy, he leaked so much during those interviews (sorry for the incorrect jargon, but kind of like when blamers accuse the victim of having their faults, projection). Anyway I fear SW did see them dead and was frantically trying to revive them. Which leads my mind to seeing a dead child on the baby monitor, and the "barrel rush me" , and the not flattering examples he gave like eat that food or no desert/snack. Idk. Heartbroken.

 

[NuttMegg]

Medical records can be court ordered.

If it wasn't actually prescribed by the doctor there is a good chance it was a casual conversation that was not recorded. The absence of a conversation on medical records is proof of nothing. 1) She either didn't ask the 2 people at all, 2) asked and got a "Sure, fine, go ahead", or 3) got a "definitely not". If the answer was the latter, that may have been written down, the second, probably not unless the dr/midwife had prescribed it.

 

[katydid23]

I'm pretty sure a warrant would be needed if the phone was locked.

If they are urgently looking for a missing family, that is in life/death danger, they can look at the content of the missing woman cell phone, to see if she was in contact with someone who might be holding them or hiding them, etc.

 

[Amonet]

The burden is still on the prosecution to prove CW murdered the children. JMO

Legally, yes, the prosecution has the burden of proof.

However, in this particular case that does not mean that it's going to be hard for the prosecution to make a strong case against CW on all charges.

This video was linked to in an earlier thread, it's a Colorado defense attorney who is not associated with the case talking about it. He seems to think it's going to be a tricky one for the defense and that the prosecution has the easier case to make.

So the burden of proof in this case probably does not equal a heavy burden to carry, other than the seriousness of trying a person on murder charges that at least carry life imprisonment as a consequence for being found guilty, and could possibly carry a death penalty if found guilty as charged.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

What proof is there that the children were not already dead when CW entered the room? I'd like to see a link.
Thanks.

Without a video, no definite proof on anything in this case. However he did say she was "actively" strangling CeCe, he never said he tried to do CPR or help her, he didn't call 911, he didn't hit the alarm. He's not a doctor. He didn't have "proof" she was dead and couldn't be saved. He also hid their bodies and lied the next day to many people when he knew what happened and where they were. I realize you don't think that makes him guilty but I do. I have seen nothing to make me change my mind yet. There may be something at trial that changes my mind and proves me wrong but nothing yet. SM videos and Thrive patches ain't gonna do it.

 

[NuttMegg]

It goes to SW's state of mind and willingness to risk her own and her unborn child's health in order to promote a product and a lifestyle. The lifestyle would be nearly impossible to maintain if the couple separated. Have mothers murdered their children after their husbands left them for another relationship? Absolutely. JMO

It would have been far easier for SW to maintain her lifestyle and income, albeit with relatives, and maintain or increase her sales. There is no proof at all that he was leaving her for another relationship. Speculation is easy, but the only "proof" of that is when HE SAYS he asked for a separation, which he came up with after he killed her.

 

[sun16]

So what happens if there is not enough physical evidence to convict CW of killing the girls? Does killing Shanann and also the unborn baby (under the ‘I was enraged, because she killed the girls’ claim)—would that conviction alone at least bring a life sentence? I guess what I’m asking is, what is the worst case scenario where he could get off of certain charges?

 

[Mrspratcher]

Chris provided consent to check Shanann's phone and ultimately surrendered it to allow Det. Baumhover to examine it for information leading to Shanann's (and daughters) whereabouts. Det. Baumhover transported the phone to the Frederick Police Department where it has remained since Det. Baumhover collected it.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

Right. The phone was seized inside the home they both shared. He had the authority to provide consent to its search and seizure.