Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[MassGuy]

My fear is that if there is not enough evidence to prove SW killed the girls, and not enough to prove CW did either, that he will be found not guilty of killing the girls. I know they charged hin with all 5.

Physical evidence proving that CW killed the girls would be great, but that wouldn’t be necessary to make a case against him.

Absent any physical evidence of SW doing this, the circumstancial case against CW is solid.

I’m not worried.

 

[NuttMegg]

One of the ingredients in the patch is green coffee bean, which is a stimulant.

According to WebMD, GCB has several side effects such as:

• Insomnia.
• Nervousness.
• Restlessness.
• Upset Stomach.
• Nausea.
• Vomiting.
• Increased heart rate.
• Increased breathing rate.

I wonder how much of that was in the patch? Even if it’s a small amount I wouldn’t wear it if I was pregnant.

Lots of things can be included in a patch, but I wonder how much can be absorbed through the skin.

 

[sun16]

I couldn’t care less about the Thrive patch and think it will have no place in this trial ... unless the defense is very desperate.

 

[sun16]

Physical evidence proving that CW killed the girls would be great, but that wouldn’t be necessary to make a case against him.

Absent any physical evidence of SW doing this, the circumstancial case against CW is solid.

I’m not worried.

Ok. I’m just a worrier I guess.

 

[Mrspratcher]

It goes to SW's state of mind and willingness to risk her own and her unborn child's health in order to promote a product and a lifestyle. The lifestyle would be nearly impossible to maintain if the couple separated. Have mothers murdered their children after their husbands left them for another relationship? Absolutely. JMO

So she either takes her kids to the hospital too much or risks their health. She can't win.

We don't know what their finances are/were ; hard to say if divorce would impact her lifestyle. She survived one divorce; I'm sure she could have done it again.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

My fear is that if there is not enough evidence to prove SW killed the girls, and not enough to prove CW did either, that he will be found not guilty of killing the girls. I know they charged hin with all 5. So are we saying LE has evidence we don’t know about. that will convict him of killing the girls? (if not obliterated by the oil)

We don't know all of the evidence they have yet, but I'm sure they have a lot more than we have now. I feel confident at this point he is the guilty party and will get what he deserves. However, I am certain he will not get off lightly for killing SW and Nico for the reasons I stated in my previous post below:

He could have done a dozen things to get SW off of CeCe other than kill her and Nico but he didn't. He didn't try to save CeCe and Nico. He instead took 2-5 minutes to strangle his wife to death, not to mention how he handled everything after he killed them. So good luck with that Chris.

 

[MassGuy]

Coffee (caffeinated) and cigarettes are also stimulants. Pregnant women ingest both every day. What does any of this matter?
MOO

Every single day in America, children are born addicted to opioids and other drugs. And as you say, expectant mothers smoke, drink, and ingest other things that could be harmful to a fetus. This does not mean they will go on to kill their children.

 

[maeleemae]

Coffee (caffeinated) and cigarettes are also stimulants. Pregnant women ingest both on a daily basis. What does any of this matter?
MOO

I meant to add this which is also from WebMD:

Pregnancy and breast-feeding: There is not enough reliable information about the safety of taking green coffee if you are pregnant or breast feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use..

Don’t most expectant mothers stop using caffeine? And most certainly I would hope they don’t smoke!

 

[maeleemae]

Lots of things can be included in a patch, but I wonder how much can be absorbed through the skin.

I was wondering that myself. It’s hard to know.

 

[sun16]

We don't know all of the evidence they have yet, but I'm sure they have a lot more than we have now. I feel confident at this point he is the guilty party and will get what he deserves. However, I am certain he will not get off lightly for killing SW and Nico for the reasons I stated in my previous post below:

He could have done a dozen things to get SW off of CeCe other than kill her and Nico but he didn't. He didn't try to save CeCe and Nico. He instead took 2-5 minutes to strangle his wife to death, not to mention how he handled everything after he killed them. So good luck with that Chris.

Ok, I’ll can it and try to have more faith in the evidence we don’t yet know. I’m just tired of seeing some people escape the charges.

 

[Mrspratcher]

If it was locked and they didn’t have the unlock code they would need a warrant from Apple. (I believe she had an iPhone)

Since he gave consent would the prosecutors need to prove he gave consent without being coerced?

Yes, if it was locked, then they would need a warrant to unlock it. However, like many spouses, CW may have known the unlock code, and may have provided it to the police.

The consent would not be valid if he was coerced.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I was asking this questions in response to the time of strangling someone is always at least four minutes. I at trying to point out we do not know the cause of death as to how long it took, what position , if from behind . Imo there are a lot a variables and things can be quick or slow we do not know yet imo

Let's say it took CW 20 seconds to kill SW and it is somehow proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it took him 20 seconds or maybe it's proven in the autopsy that he twisted her neck and killed her instantly so it didn't end up taking him 4 minutes to kill her after all. How should that information change my mind about him killing the girls?

 

[MassGuy]

Let's say it took CW 20 seconds to kill SW and it is somehow proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it took him 20 seconds or maybe it's proven in the autopsy that he twisted her neck and killed her instantly so it didn't end up taking him 4 minutes to kill her after all. How should that information change my mind about him killing the girls?

That would make me even angrier that he didn’t call 911.

If it was true, which it isn’t.

 

[MKZoo]

One of the ingredients in the patch is green coffee bean, which is a stimulant.

According to WebMD, GCB has several side effects such as:

• Insomnia.
• Nervousness.
• Restlessness.
• Upset Stomach.
• Nausea.
• Vomiting.
• Increased heart rate.
• Increased breathing rate.

I wonder how much of that was in the patch? Even if it’s a small amount I wouldn’t wear it if I was pregnant.

I have no idea what is in the patches. I’m not sure any of us do. I probably would not use them either, to be honest.

All I’m saying is that Shanann was told by her doctor that it was okay. We have no reason to think that isn’t true. Everything else on this topic is a variety of opinions that seem to be aimed at claiming SW was a liar or a bad mom or both. Jmo.

 

[pocketaccent]

Why would it be tax free for capital gains?

"If you meet the qualifications, how much you can exclude is dependent on your filing status. It’s up to $250,000 for single people and up to $500,000 for married couples filing jointly. To find out how much your capital gain is, subtract the purchase price from the sale price. David Cawley, CFO of FraimCPA, gives an example for a married couple that files joint taxes."

https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/capital-gains-and-your-home-sale-1.aspx

* CW meets the qualifications. (I am an accountant)

 

[Mrspratcher]

CW had the legal authority to consent to the search of SW's phone? I think LE would get a search warrant whether or not CW gave permission. JMO

Well, if you provide your consent, a warrant is not required.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

That would make me even angrier that he didn’t call 911.

If it was true, which it isn’t.

Absolutely. All it proves is that he killed her faster. Doesn't prove or disprove anything about him murdering those babies.

 

[MyBelle]

Coffee (caffeinated) and cigarettes are also stimulants. Pregnant women ingest both every day. How does any of this matter?
MOO

Both pass through to the placenta and can be very dangerous to the fetus which is why OB's recommend avoidance. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I have no idea what is in the patches. I’m not sure any of us do. I probably would not use them either, to be honest.

All I’m saying is that Shanann was told by her doctor that it was okay. We have no reason to think that isn’t true. Everything else on this topic is a variety of opinions that seem to aimed at claiming SW was a liar or a bad mom or both. Jmo.

I can PROVE that CW was a liar and a bad father. I only have to use his words and actions to do that.

To “prove” the same with Shanann, you have to make wild speculations.

 

[Amonet]

One of the ingredients in the patch is green coffee bean, which is a stimulant.

According to WebMD, GCB has several side effects such as:

• Insomnia.
• Nervousness.
• Restlessness.
• Upset Stomach.
• Nausea.
• Vomiting.
• Increased heart rate.
• Increased breathing rate.

I wonder how much of that was in the patch? Even if it’s a small amount I wouldn’t wear it if I was pregnant.

Those would be possible side-effects, so it's possible that a doctor simply checked her heart rate and asked her if she'd suffered any of the other side effects and she wasn't personally suffering from any of them and so they said that as she doesn't seem to be suffering ill-effects then her usage is ultimately her decision to make.

As it's a type of coffee bean and increased heart rate and insomnia are listed as possible side-effects, I'm thinking that the active ingredient would be caffeine? So a doctor might see it as akin to a woman deciding whether or not to have a cup of coffee in the morning while pregnant? But other doctors might take a more cautionary approach and advise against its use as they don't have evidence to say that it couldn't cause harm.

Considering there are still women who smoke during pregnancy, if one of them was found with their children dead and dumped by their husband who lied to cover up their deaths, would their smoking be a 'smoking gun' to suggest they killed the children? While I would not support their smoking during pregnancy I don't see as it would have that kind of impact on the question of whether they or the husband killed the children?