Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, if it was locked, then they would need a warrant to unlock it. However, like many spouses, CW may have known the unlock code, and may have provided it to the police.

The consent would not be valid if he was coerced.

I hope he gave them the unlock code.

 

[BelleIsle]

Both nicotine and caffeine cross the placenta so there is absolutely no way any OB can know whether it is harmful just by checking the heart rate of the mother. I do not believe any OB handling a high-risk pregnancy is going to approve of patches containing caffeine and vitamins in unknown quantities. JMO

The thing with caffeine and pregnancy is that you don't want to stop cold-turkey, especially if you ingest a lot of it daily.

How to kick your caffeine habit during pregnancy
"Quitting coffee cold turkey will only make you miserable and bring out some pretty uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms. You may get hit with headaches, fatigue and moodiness as your body cries out for the good stuff. Instead, your goal here should be easing your system down from five cups a day to two 6-ounce cups. Each day, cut out another half cup, swapping it out for decaf. You can always increase your intake again once baby arrives."

I'm not a coffee drinker, but many women who are continue to drink limited amounts during pregnancy. Idk if Shan'ann did, but certainly her doctor knows what the recommended limit of caffeine intake is and would have advised her to cut back slowly if the patches were detrimental to her pregnancy.

 

[flourish]

I don't understand all this talk about the patches.I don't see what it has to do with the murder case at all.

Sometimes not everyone is interested in every subject discussed in a thread. That's okay. I usually just scroll and roll in those cases.

 

[MassGuy]

I hope he gave them the unlock code.

He wouldn’t have wanted to appear suspicious, so I think he likely did provide the code, even if there were incriminating things on there that he hadn’t removed.

 

[Mrspratcher]

He wouldn’t have wanted to appear suspicious, so I think he likely did provide the code, even if there were incriminating things on there that he hadn’t removed.

Just like he consented to the canine search.

 

[Slayer Girl]

I am a new member as of today and I have been following this sad case on WS since the beginning. Can anyone give an update on the autopsies status and why they are still sealed and when they may be unsealed? TIA

 

[Sincerely]

I just had a thought about the bed being stripped. It’s been suggested that SW found out about affair while on her trip (I think I read that, so IMO). I know if I found about about an affair I would not be able to hold it in. Maybe SW confronted CW almost immediately and went as far as stripping the bed in anger (thinking it could have happened there). That’s something I think I would do :/ I have really been stuck on why the bed was stripped.

 

[human]

They probably did have texts and emails.

They need to get warrants which takes time

 

[MassGuy]

I just had a thought about the bed being stripped. It’s been suggested that SW found out about affair while on her trip (I think I read that, so IMO). I know if I found about about an affair I would not be able to hold it in. Maybe SW confronted CW almost immediately and went as far as stripping the bed in anger (thinking it could have happened there). That’s something I think I would do :/ I have really been stuck on why the bed was stripped.

Well we know that CW used a bedsheet for some purpose, and left it at the dumpsite. It may be as simple as that.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

To be honest, if I were pregnant, I probably woudn't wear that patch even if my doctor said I could. That's because if you know me, I am the biggest worry wart of all time. I am skeptical of a lot of weight loss, energy, health type things, but that's just me. I have no judgment of people who do use them. In fact, my daughter used a similar supplement for awhile, which is her business not mine. Anyway, with that being said, if SW says the doctor said she could continue to take Thrive, I believe her and furthermore, it has zero bearing on whether I believe she did/did not or could/could not have killed her children. JMO.

Is the theory that taking Thrive could cause mood issues and make her so angry over a separation she would commit murder to spite CW for wanting out and thereby changing the lifestyle she came to love? CW also wore the patches. Did they affect his mood too or just SW?

Or is the theory, she lied about her doctor saying they were ok, so therefore what? If she lied about that, she willingly put her unborn baby in danger, so she must have it in her to murder her other two children?

 

[Mrspratcher]

They need to get warrants which takes time

Not necessarily.

 

[pocketaccent]

He wouldn’t have wanted to appear suspicious, so I think he likely did provide the code, even if there were incriminating things on there that he hadn’t removed.

He also called everyone in his contact list who might have 2 car seats in their car. LOL LOL LOL

 

[human]

It was. The bedding was found on the floor in the bedroom. When police took custody of the house, they found it in the trash. That’s bad enough, but those things disappearing completely would be even more suspicious.

It was on the floor but not in the trash. So he put it in the trash. Apparently, I read on here, IMO, trash day was Tuesday? If so, what sense does the sheet in the trash make?

 

[Amonet]

Both nicotine and caffeine cross the placenta so there is absolutely no way any OB can know whether it is harmful just by checking the heart rate of the mother. I do not believe any OB handling a high-risk pregnancy is going to approve of patches containing caffeine and vitamins in unknown quantities. JMO

Cigarettes contain a lot of other nasty things than nicotine, and I was under the impression that some of those had negative effects on the growth of the fetus, and other possible negative effects.

The reason I mentioned checking Shanann's heart rate is that increased heart rate was listed as a possible side effect. If her heart rate is fine, then she's not suffering from that side effect, therefore not every doctor might see that being listed as a possible side-effect as a definite contra-indication. They might see plenty of other things that could be contra-indications, or they might not, depending on the physician, all I'm saying is that the possible side-effects on that particular list are easy enough to check the heart rate and ask the patient if they are suffering from any of those side effects.

And my point about smoking wasn't that it's okay, nor to say that the patches are (or aren't) okay to use in pregnancy, but with smoking there are numerous studies to say that it's not okay during pregnancy, plus I don't see it as an indicator that a woman killed her kids when her husband hides their and her bodies (along with all the other things on Gitana's list on page 1 of every thread).

There is one vitamin in particular (is it A?) that pregnant women are not supposed to take, but I'm not sure if it's worth delving into that as I don't think it should be too hard for Shanann to ask the company if that vitamin is present, and secondly if the patches did have harmful (to pregnancy) amounts of vitamin A in them, I would have thought that there would have been a number of stories among users of the patches who had pregnancy problems that could be traced back to vitamin A and that it would be hard to cover that up?

I doubt that there are medical studies on the use of these patches in pregnancy, but I would also doubt there are large numbers of pregnant women having miscarriages or babies with birth defects to show up as an obvious link. That's not the same as there being zero risk, and that's they many people on this board are saying they wouldn't use the patches during pregnancy for themselves, and they might also give up coffee or something else, but then there are still women who smoke, when that is absolutely linked with risk in pregnancy, and I don't think that has any bearing on them killing their children.

 

[NuttMegg]

To be honest, if I were pregnant, I probably woudn't wear that patch even if my doctor said I could. That's because if you know me, I am the biggest worry wart of all time. I am skeptical of a lot of weight loss, energy, health type things, but that's just me. I have no judgment of people who do use them. In fact, my daughter used a similar supplement for awhile, which is her business not mine. Anyway, with that being said, if SW says the doctor said she could continue to take Thrive, I believe her and furthermore, it has zero bearing on whether I believe she did/did not or could/could not have killed her children. JMO.

Is the theory that taking Thrive could cause mood issues and make her so angry over a separation she would commit murder to spite CW for wanting out and thereby changing the lifestyle she came to love? CW also wore the patches. Did they affect his mood too or just SW?

Or is the theory, she lied about her doctor saying they were ok, so therefore what? If she lied about that, she willingly put her unborn baby in danger, so she must have it in her to murder her other two children?

I think they are supporting your last paragraph.

 

[PommyMommy]

Both pass through to the placenta and can be very dangerous to the fetus which is why OB's recommend avoidance. JMO

I agree, pregnant women should not drink coffee or smoke cigarettes. My point was, it's irrelevant. As MassGuy pointed out, even if they do, it doesn't mean they go on to kill their children.
MOO

 

[human]

Yep, I'm sure he did intend to get rid of the purse, etc. He may have even intended to get rid of them in the oil tanks that morning but forgot. He had to get to work and didn't have time to go back home so I'm sure he thought he had time that day to finish up everything, hence all of the locked doors. He didn't have a chance since NA and the cops showed up. He couldn't very well do it after that. We can all question why he didn't but does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? We know she's dead. He killed her and dumped her body. He admitted to that much so if he forgot to dump her purse it's not that big of a deal now. This would have had more bearing if her body hadn't been found and he hadn't admitted to killing her and hiding her body.

I am wondering about premeditated or not

 

[MassGuy]

It was on the floor but not in the trash. So he put it in the trash. Apparently, I read on here, IMO, trash day was Tuesday? If so, what sense does the sheet in the trash make?

Who knows. But then again, a lot of his actions defy explanation.

 

[Mandi3020]

Hi everyone, this is my first post, but I have been reading a lot on this case. Random thoughts that are all just IMO:
1. Smoking and consumption of caffeine during pregnancy has decreased as more women have become better educated on the harm to the fetus. However, many still do both and have fine babies that are ok ( although nicotine addicted newborns have their own set of issues for a bit).
2. SW brother has been quoted as saying CW WAS a good husband and father~sorry, no link to the article ( hope okay to state something w/o link). So was CW putting on a show when around SW family?
3. I don’t know if the patches have any ingredients that would be harmful to a pregnant woman. I think it depends on the OB if use of the patch was documented in SW medical record. As an RN for nearly 4 decades, I’ve reviewed many a medical record and the documentation varies greatly.
4. Those patches look large. Does anyone know if SW regularly wore the patches while pregnant or just for her SM videos?
5. Because IMO CW is a murdering coward, I think part of his defense will be his use of the patches, how the ingredients are not FDA regulated. IF he’s on any meds, I think he’ll claim that he experienced an interaction that caused him to fly into a rage, strangle SW and not render help to his children.
6. I’ve been watching SW SM vids with CW in them. Both of the little girls were in them, too. They didn’t appear to have any fear of their daddy.
7. I think CW murdered them all, and VERY compelling evidence would have to be presented for me to believe SW harmed her baby girls. I think she came in late, kicked off her shoes, set her luggage down and CW ambushed her.
8. A soulless person disposes of their loved ones in tanks of oil, and a shallow grave. I’ve honestly thought of the evil implications of his actions. I think he never loved them, but acted the part. I’m just so sorry that SW encountered him ever.

 

[MsBetsy]

One of the ingredients in the patch is green coffee bean, which is a stimulant.

According to WebMD, GCB has several side effects such as:

• Insomnia.
• Nervousness.
• Restlessness.
• Upset Stomach.
• Nausea.
• Vomiting.
• Increased heart rate.
• Increased breathing rate.

I wonder how much of that was in the patch? Even if it’s a small amount I wouldn’t wear it if I was pregnant.

I don't think anyone can judge someone who is using a product that has not proven to have any negative effects on a pregnancy or the fetus. Some doctors may discourage it based on lack of research, others may say it's not harmful. Which would be true since so far there is no research to support that. Doctors allow certain anti- depressants and many other drugs during pregnancy, I really don't see the harm in taking a bunch of vitamins. Apparently some of the products have less caffeine than others, and a little caffeine is not harmful. Jmo