Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[PommyMommy]

While double quoting is being discussed, can someone tell me how to do it or point me in the direction to learn? I can't seem to figure it out, although I've done it by accident lol!

Select "quote" (instead of "reply") for each post you want to quote
Click on "Insert Quotes" below the box where you type your post
A pop-up box will appear - click on "quote these messages"

P.S. Be careful not to type within the [ ] or you will have a broken quote! Give it a try and you can always edit/delete until you get it down.

 

[Johnny1181]

You're amazing.

This is why I don't trust everything on AB. It is highly unlikely that SW's family will have to talk "with" or "to" CW during any probate hearing. He will talk to the judge. They will either have an attorney who talks for them or they will talk to the judge.

Glad you posted this! It's the first thing that stood out to me, how unlikely this would seem to be.

Is it even likely CW would be on the call at all? I would think it would just be attorneys representing him.

 

[katydid23]

Lots of things can be included in a patch, but I wonder how much can be absorbed through the skin.

Dr Shaun Holt, the medical director of HoneyLab, warns there are many reasons to be wary of the Thrive DFT patch, which is not supported by clinical trials. "Best case is that it is a waste of money, worst case is that it is dangerous," he says.

"I would be very sceptical that sufficient levels of the ingredients would pass through the skin," says Dr Holt. "There are no studies to confirm the levels that enter the bloodstream, if any."

However, if sufficient levels of the ingredients were absorbed by the body, it could be dangerous.

"Some of the ingredients are just bizarre. CoQ10 can lower blood pressure if the dose is high enough. Willow bark extract is basically aspirin. Safety is a real concern. If high-enough levels get into the bloodstream, the safety of this is not known without clinical trials," says Dr Holt.

"And something that really annoys me is the disclaimer on the label to seek advice from a health professional on the product. They have not done trials, health professionals do not know the levels, if any, getting in the body and so cannot advise."

Thrive weightloss patch raises questions

 

[gitana1]

I thought the question was whether protections still applied after death

Yes. But as I understand the question is in the context of a case like this. Otherwise why it would be relevant to this discussion.

HIPAA applies after death but victim records can still be subpoenaed if relevant.

 

[Johnny1181]

Select "quote" (instead of "reply")
Click on "Insert Quotes" below the box where you type your post
A pop up box will appear - click on "quote these messages"

Thank you!! Sometimes I don't get them both in, I must not be selecting them correctly in my race to keep up with the thread at times lol

 

[Slayer Girl]

Select "quote" (instead of "reply")
Click on "Insert Quotes" below the box where you type your post
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Thanks that should work better

 

[tmar]

Longtime lurker, first time poster so forgive me for latching onto a comment that is sort of off topic but sort of not( I haven’t been able to find a thread that I could post this) and may be breaking the rules...

C.W. reminds me of SP not only for this house selling desire/comment but the fact that they both chose partners that they believed (and found this “fact” to be attractive) were infertile! LP believed she was due to a surgery when young IIRC and SW believed she was due to her lupus...
I believe both started distancing themselves and plotting their wives’ murders the minute the children were conceived. It just took C.W. 3 kids to get the “resentful guts” to do so...

I was about 18 when LP went missing and am now 33 and to this day that case still haunts and fascinates me, much like this one.

Also forgive my phone for putting a period between C.W.

Welcome Mint.
Pleased you have joined us.
Hope you produce many more Posts.

 

[Amandaaa]

Yes. But as I understand the question is in the context of a case like this. Otherwise why it would be relevant to this discussion.

HIPAA applies after death but victim records can still be subpoenaed if relevant.

Subpoenas are a whole topic in and of themselves lol
I don’t have time to catch up on the thread tonight (I’m teaching for another hour) but can provide a more through answer once I review the prior posts

 

[sun16]

Here is what I found. It appears that the heat of passion defense could reduce a second degree murder from a class 2, to a class 3 felony, which are generally punishable by 4-12 years. However, since it is a violent crime it pushes it to up to 24 years.

So if he wins on heat of passion defense for the murder of SW and is not convicted for the murders of his daughters, he is looking at 4-24 years for murdering SW, from what I can tell:

"Second degree murder is a Class 2 felony generally penalized by a presumptive minimum of 8 years and maximum of 24 years, with five years parole. However, second degree murder is a violent crime which has a higher maximum of twice the usual maximum sentence, thus 48 years would be the presumed highest end of the punishment range.

Murder in the second degree is reduced to a Class 3 felony where the death was caused during a sudden heat of passion, caused by a highly provoking act of the victim, which excites the defendant sufficiently, and that a reasonable person in his or her place would also be provoked. However, if there was time to cool down from the excitement, it would be a Class 2 felony.

Class 3 felonies are punished by 4-12 years, but again, as a violent crime, 24 years would be the presumed upper limit."

Colorado Second-Degree Murder

This is what I was mentioning earlier that I am afraid of—him getting away with a 4 to 24 year sentence.

 

[katydid23]

Both pass through to the placenta and can be very dangerous to the fetus which is why OB's recommend avoidance. JMO

Do you have links to any studies which show this^^^ ? I cannot find any.

 

[MassGuy]

This is what I was mentioning earlier that I am afraid of—him getting away with a 4 to 24 year sentence.

I can’t think of a case like this where the defendant has gotten off that light. We see that in mob and gang cases, but not in a domestic mass murder.

 

[tmar]

His story stinks. I have a feeling it is going to change yet again.

As we have already witnessed changes in his story, several times, any further changes will be looked at with doubt.
Who believes a liar?

 

[katydid23]

He wouldn’t have wanted to appear suspicious, so I think he likely did provide the code, even if there were incriminating things on there that he hadn’t removed.

There was probably nothing incriminating on her phone, that he knew of, or he could have just said he didn't know her code. That would have been believable if he said that. IMO

 

[tmar]

It would have been far easier for SW to maintain her lifestyle and income, albeit with relatives, and maintain or increase her sales. There is no proof at all that he was leaving her for another relationship. Speculation is easy, but the only "proof" of that is when HE SAYS he asked for a separation, which he came up with after he killed her.

SW would be better without him. She would have family support +++.
Her MLM income would be higher.
SW was up line to CW.
She now would receive his down line amounts, without his percentage taken out. She would benefit.
With her friends, her Thrive business, her willingness to work, SW would do well.
Purchase of her own home alone, shows what SW is capable of.
MOO.

 

[riolove77]

As we have already witnessed changes in his story, several times, any further changes will be looked at with doubt.
Who believes a liar?

Yeah he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. His story is so ridiculous already that so many don't believe it; changing it will make him look even more like a liar.

 

[katydid23]

He also called everyone in his contact list who might have 2 car seats in their car. LOL LOL LOL

Like a kidnapper cares if there are 2 car seats or not...smh

 

[violet101]

Good morning!

I've spend considerable time thinking about the difference in visibility of Shanann and Chris. We know a lot about her, before and after CW. We know very little either way, about him. He is not the norm. There should be school mates, co-workers, acquaintances, etc., that are unconnected enough, that LE doesn't care if they talk. But, there's not. It's almost as if, other than the crime, he doesn't exist. Even in SW's life he was more like a cardboard cut-out in the background, a prop. Other than an anonymous VI and an AP, what do we have? There may be significance in this when applied to the crime. Did he finally grow tired of being "no one", in his mind? Was husband and father not enough?

Anyway, perhaps we'll learn more from the trial.

I was thinking the same thing lately. I find it very strange there isn’t anyone who knew him outside of SW. Not one person has spoken up about him. Well except the roommate from 15 years old. I think he was a loner and seemed to enjoy having a more outgoing personable wife, and was okay with her running their life. However, I think this changed when he got fit, started the affair with his coworker and saw a life outside SW. He definitely started to resent SW and when they came back from NC I doubt he was happy.

 

[katydid23]

They need to get warrants which takes time

No they don't need them before they look at the phone if they had permission. And emergency warrants can be processed very quickly if they decided to wait for one. You get a judge on the phone to agree to an emergency access warrant. DONE,....

 

[sun16]

This is what I was mentioning earlier that I am afraid of—him getting away with a 4 to 24 year sentence.

I did say I was going to can it though, so ... we’ll see what happens.

 

[riolove77]

I would love to watch this. With popcorn.

And pizza