Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #38

[JudgeJudi]

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@Tippy Lynn

“I think both sides will pull whatever they can to build or defend their cases”.

The prosecutor had a lot of evidence from the get-go, even before the results of the autopsies were available. I'd wager they have a mountain of evidence now.

The defence will be pulling whatever they can … and I think it’s going to be very slim pickings. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[MerryB]

Can you please share the evidence you’ve found that leads you to believe CW has close friends? I haven’t seen any! Thanks.

Layla, I don't have evidence that I can post here to prove that CW has friends per TOS.
The post I was responding to said, "I recall reading a prior post that pointed out CW didn't have many close relationships with women or men."
This is not a fact. I responded because when one piece of misinformation is posted, it is like the game of Telephone. It morphs as it spreads and it becomes something else entirely.
The original VI post stated that CW did not have many serious relationships prior to SW. This morphed into "he's never had a girlfriend."
Several interviews with past classmates and a teacher referenced the fact that he was an introvert. Being introverted has morphed into "he's socially awkward" or "anti-social."
If you don't understand introversion, you might get the mistaken idea that introverts are antisocial or reclusive.
Here's a good article on introversion.
There’s More to Introversion than You Might Think

MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

You're right. CW would have been a cornered animal and dangerous! And NUA probably knows quite a bit of the truth. It could have been worse.

It could be that CW is actually proud of having done "something", ie made a real decision, grotesque and gruesome as that sounds. I've seen it in people I thought were introverted, never spoke up, never seemed to have a mind of their own, no personality, do something either so outlandish that everyone had to notice, or so anti social that authorities had to take care of it. I don't mean mass murderers necessarily, but the attention, the satisfaction of "doing something" may be seductive to minds like his. "Well, I sure showed them." (IMO)

 

[compass]

Your last sentence. It's been discussed before and it's scary. If LE hadn't been there, would CW have invited NUA in to look around? Would she have become a victim?

I don’t think NUA would have put herself in that position if LE wasn’t there first, but I believe cw would have eliminated any thing/one in the way of his plans if he had the opportunity. MOO.

 

[WildWest]

Not at all. I think there was a bit of confusion that a brand new member was so experienced at multiquote and was quite knowledgeable about the case.

I noticed that the person lasted less than 24 hours before being tanked, so I was just alerting the OP that the message wouldn't be received. That's all!

No, if you were here last night that's all you would need to know. Hopefully we won't have any problems anymore as they are "both" gone.

Neither here nor there, thought I'd let you know, I'm a frequent flier on an unrelated site that uses this exact same software/layout, even the same color scheme. So I could get around on here pretty good even before my first post. That said I was not around last night, sorry to hear about it.

 

[Thepoet]

I had a thought. CW went to work after hiding the bodies. There's no evidence he went anywhere else. Less than eight hours later he rushes home to meet with NUA and LE, in the truck he used to transport bodies. Would there have been evidence in the back seat? I wonder if any LE looked in his truck. Was cleaning out the truck saved for later, like the house, or did he stop somewhere on the way to work? I guess GPS would tell.

 

[MerryB]

Yep. Last spoke 13 years ago.

CNN.com - Transcripts
HODGES: I mean, we were buddies but we are not like great, great friends, so we just eventually lost communication. I`d say the last time we spoke to each other was probably around 2005. That was probably about it and Facebook wasn`t really popular back then either. So, we weren`t Facebook friends or anything like that, I just kind a lost all communications with him.

With all due respect, this was a roommate at NASCAR Tech from when CW was about 20 years old. SM was not big at that time, and CW later moved across the country from NC to CO. IMO the fact that these two did not stay in touch does not mean CW did not have friends.

 

[PommyMommy]

BANFIELD: That leads me to another area that I think it is fascinating about this case. The fact that he was beefed up and fit, he certainly wasn`t at the time he was doing videos of self-help and relationship help and talking about how relationships can go south. Especially when you meet someone at work. Lo and behold he met someone at work according to the police, and was having an affair with her prior to these alleged murders.

But the dating issue, if he was taking care of himself, and working out and keeping fit, did you have any information or did you see him ever dating anyone male or female?

HODGES: I did not. I cannot remember a single solitary incident where he was ever trying to actively engage in any kind of relationship. He was very -- kept to himself. Very focused on what he did. And that was pretty much it. I mean, he never brought anybody over. He definitely wasn`t sneaking out and going and meeting anybody.
CNN.com - Transcripts

 

[Layla123]

Layla, I don't have evidence that I can post here to prove that CW has friends per TOS.
The post I was responding to said, "I recall reading a prior post that pointed out CW didn't have many close relationships with women or men."
This is not a fact. I responded because when one piece of misinformation is posted, it is like the game of Telephone. It morphs as it spreads and it becomes something else entirely.
The original VI post stated that CW did not have many serious relationships prior to SW. This morphed into "he's never had a girlfriend."
Several interviews with past classmates and a teacher referenced the fact that he was an introvert. Being introverted has morphed into "he's socially awkward" or "anti-social."
If you don't understand introversion, you might get the mistaken idea that introverts are antisocial or reclusive.
Here's a good article on introversion.
There’s More to Introversion than You Might Think

MOO

Did you see PommyMommys post about the old roommate? They lived together and weren’t that close of friends. I’m surprised no one has come forward. I have never heard of anybody with no friends. Maybe they’re out there.

 

[Stripehaven]

I don’t believe CW ever loved his family. I don’t believe he had the capacity. He may have experienced feelings that he thought were love as the rest of us understand it (desire, wish to possess/control, etc) but I cannot believe anyone with normal human emotions could do the full scope of what he did.

I couldn’t even do any of this to someone I hate.

 

[MerryB]

Did you see PommyMommys post about the old roommate? They lived together and weren’t that close of friends. I’m surprised no one has come forward. I have never heard of anybody with no friends. Maybe they’re out there.

I don’t stay in touch with my freshman year college roommate. We lived together and did fine co-habitating, but we did not keep in touch over the years. That’s not to say I don’t have friends, some of whom I’ve had for over 25 years.

 

[mtnlites]

I think it's interesting that the only friend who has come forward is someone he hasn't spoken to in 13 years. And a high school teacher, of course.

 

[CarnegieHall]

It could be that CW is actually proud of having done "something", ie made a real decision, grotesque and gruesome as that sounds. I've seen it in people I thought were introverted, never spoke up, never seemed to have a mind of their own, no personality, do something either so outlandish that everyone had to notice, or so anti social that authorities had to take care of it. I don't mean mass murderers necessarily, but the attention, the satisfaction of "doing something" may be seductive to minds like his. "Well, I sure showed them." (IMO)

In my opinion he did it.

In my opinion he snapped.

In my opinion being introverted and what have you (personality disorders, etc.)has nothing to do with it. Our society prizes extroversion and most people get the wrong idea about introversion and think people are just weird or shy since they aren’t outgoing.

In my opinion he snapped because people that aren’t the dominate or equal partner in a marriage hold it in until they can’t take it any longer. At that point it doesn’t matter what the reason is. And IMO This is where the differences between men dominated in a relationship and women dominated in a relationship come into play. Many women either kill themselves, leave, or slowly become of shell of themselves when they stay, while men take extremes sometimes (putting it mildly I know)

And if he killed the kids, IMO, it’s because as someone pointed out earlier in a post (will try to look for it later), he may have hated the kids because of her.

All this does not justify murder and all this is just my opinion. I just hate to see introverts and people with social anxiety get a bad rap.

 

[PommyMommy]

Wow, it is just such a stark contrast to read what Shanann's friends have to say about her and what the one or two friends of CW have said.

Mother, children laid to rest in Pinehurst; husband charged with killing them in Colorado
DC said he had know Shan'ann for years. He said he was a guest at her wedding and was shocked at her murder.

"Most of it is just disbelief that it ever happened," DC said. "Shan'ann was always smiling, always going out of her way to help people. If you were in a bad mood, she would do her best to change that."

MP said Shan'ann was just a year older than he is. "She was just an amazing person," Player said. "Down to earth, loved life, loved her girls."

Jeanne Ryan, director of administration and communications for Sacred Heart, said condolences have been pouring in from around the country.

"They've gotten thousands and thousands of responses," Ryan said. "I've had people calling me this week just asking if they could sent flowers."

 

[MerryB]

Oh, I could of sworn I read something to that effect on here.

I’m sure you did. It’s not your fault. Unfortunately, sometimes what is actually stated in an article or interview is then misconstrued by others to fit their preconceived ideas or fit existing theories. I just wanted to bring attention to the actual facts.

 

[Thepoet]

With all due respect, this was a roommate at NASCAR Tech from when CW was about 20 years old. SM was not big at that time, and CW later moved across the country from NC to CO. IMO the fact that these two did not stay in touch does not mean CW did not have friends.

Roommates are not necessarily friends. Who were his friends? Who has come forward and identified themselves as a friend?

 

[MerryB]

Wow, it is just such a stark contrast to read what Shanann's friends have to say about her and what the one or two friends of CW have said.

Mother, children laid to rest in Pinehurst; husband charged with killing them in Colorado
DC said he had know Shan'ann for years. He said he was a guest at her wedding and was shocked at her murder.

"Most of it is just disbelief that it ever happened," DC said. "Shan'ann was always smiling, always going out of her way to help people. If you were in a bad mood, she would do her best to change that."

MP said Shan'ann was just a year older than he is. "She was just an amazing person," Player said. "Down to earth, loved life, loved her girls."

Jeanne Ryan, director of administration and communications for Sacred Heart, said condolences have been pouring in from around the country.

"They've gotten thousands and thousands of responses," Ryan said. "I've had people calling me this week just asking if they could sent flowers."

I’m sure people are far more likely to speak glowingly of someone who has passed away than of someone who is being accused of murder.
Many people IMO are afraid to even speak out due to the backlash they might get for “supporting” a murderer.

 

[WildWest]

Good Morning all..... I’ve been reading through threads/discussions trying to keep up! Not quoting/replying to any specific discussion, just adding my 2cents about some of the discussions!

I am still a believer that the AP person ending the affair & CW snapped at the loss.... also not saying weather it was premeditated or not since I don’t have facts even if/when AP ended the affair....it could go both ways once we hear more.. for now, just a gut feeling I’m going on.

As for the DP.... that’s another thing that haunts me. I’m generally against an “eye for an eye” stance, but at times I try to understand it. With this case, as much as I may have initially wanted the DP, I think back to the words of Father John Forbes at SW,BW,CCW’s funeral after SW’s family sentiments were read by him.... he said “they do not desire vengeance and death, but life and justice”. I don’t know exactly where & why that statement came from or if it’s thier words. But it does lead me to think it may be the feelings of SW’s family...... what I hope for......is whatever the Rzucek family hopes for.
Transcript of service comments (Funeral held in North Carolina for Shanann Watts, daughters)

Brain is slow today, can you tell me what DP is?

 

[Serena Angelique]

Right, and then he could have invented some kind of intruder story. It probably would have been more believable than the one he came up with. Jmo

I don’t believe NUA would have become a victim. As I recall, she was there with her grown son. How would he have taken out both of them?

He just wanted her to go away and she didn’t like his tone or his attitude and trusted her gut. I find it very telling that he told her that he wanted a separation. I don’t think they were close, and it’s a weird thing to reveal out of the blue unless he really wanted her to get off his back. But as we have seen, he doesn’t make very good choices. Revealing something like that would make it even more urgent to try to locate Shannan had she been ignoring phone calls, to check in with her and make sure she was okay.

 

[PommyMommy]

I think it's interesting that the only friend who has come forward is someone he hasn't spoken to in 13 years. And a high school teacher, of course.

Yes, it is. And it's certainly more relevant to the case than discussing the vitamins in a patch that SW may or may not have worn during pregnancy. At some point, he may need character witnesses. Where are they?
MOO