Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #38

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I have no agenda except justice. Moo the claims by others seem weak as to even Ab has not interviewed him since his suspicious dropped call interview. IMO her character will be questioned as to some level during the trial. IMO it is hard to find a balance as to looking into things done find questionable or odd and others not assume Victim shaming . I don't believe anyone believes SW regardless of whatever character flaws she may or may not have is to blame for her death. Cw has accused her so it will be examined if probable she killed the girls IMO. If one believes she may have had motive or capability of strangling the girls then that is not IMO an agenda it is an exploration to see if it is relative.
Yes, but we have already looked extensively at things that were considered odd or questionable and could not find one single shred of evidence that SW could have possibly killed her children. At most, the best we could determine was that she was bossy and controlling, and she and her kids had lots of Drs appts. There really is no where to go from there. Imo
 
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You murder your family, dump babies down oil tanks and wonder why people think you are a monster.
Hmm, seems like a no brainer to me. People don't like murderers and people that dump babies in oil tanks.
 
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Lance Alfonso, who played recreational football with Chris when they were growing up in North Carolina, said the accused murderer “was someone who wouldn’t hurt a fly.”

“I’ve never seen him ever get angry at anybody, even on the football field,” Alfonso added.

‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?

I’ve heard people say the same thing about other perps..
Sometimes we just don’t know what is reaaaally going on in someone’s head.

A lot can change since high school it seems.

The Thayers were initially surprised as well, until they saw his later apathy and odd behavior.

I hope their little girl is doing ok...they didn’t know how they were going to tell her..CeCe and Bella were her best friends.
 
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Everyone liked him,” Smith added. “It’s actually amazing how many people that knew him have completely turned on him and think he’s this monster when he hasn’t even been convicted.”

‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?
Typical description of a family annihilator.

The Last Psychiatrist: Family Annihilators Don't Do It Because They Love You
"This seems to come out of nowhere. It's shocking and you can't predict it--there really aren't any red flags. They don't have a character or personality disorder."

MOO
 
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Well that was the saddest thing I've ever looked through.

Side note - one of her posts shows that they bought $1200 of toys for Bella for only $200 at a consignment shop.

A CONSIGNMENT SHOP.

So much for all her overspending on designer things. :rolleyes:
Does it say which shop? Just wondering as a local, tia.
(I guess I could read it when I have time, sorry was being lazy.)

(The fetus abductor DL worked in a children’s consignment shop, I just thought it would be quite a coincidence if it was the same one, “Once Upon a Child”. She also advertised baby clothes for sale on CL which baited her pregnant victim. :( )
 
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I don't believe there are any mainstream media outlets that stated family and friends are staying quiet. However, it is logical to assume, that if no one is talking they have been asked to stop saying anything in a public way. This happens in almost every high profile case. Websleuths VI's will be here one day and gone the next.

Please understand I have absolutely no inside information on this topic. Just offering my experience in these type of situations over the years.
I completely understand. But as in the Scott Peterson case, we saw some of his family and even himself (prior to arrest but long after retaining a criminal defense attorney) give media interviews in his defense. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, when the public perception is overwhelmingly against their client, it is in the best interest of their client for a strong defense to want to mitigate that public perception (and future jury pool) and create a more sympathetic or neutral view of said client. Family/friends could even say, "I wish I could speak on this because I believe him to be innocent, but we cannot at this time due to counsel's advice. But please reserve judgment until trial when many more facts will come to light." I am not hearing any of that. My guess is because it would be too difficult to answer questions about CW because what he has already admitted to is so heinous and illegal, IMO. CW's actions and confessions have made a clean defense of innocence exceedingly difficult (also IMO).
 
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The point is he did have friends previously, not zero friends as some have speculated.
 
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Lance Alfonso, who played recreational football with Chris when they were growing up in North Carolina, said the accused murderer “was someone who wouldn’t hurt a fly.”

“I’ve never seen him ever get angry at anybody, even on the football field,” Alfonso added.

‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?
Sounds a lot like Robert Mochrie. He was even nice enough to clean the blood splatter from the walls.

"Beyond his family circle, Robert had few, if any, real male friends. His social entertainment amounted to little more than having a few pints down the pub, watching the occasional rugby match. He was shy, but not a social misfit; he had held down a senior position at the Welsh Office, and had run a number of different businesses. Another friend of the family, Chris Williams, scrambles to make sense of the inexplicable. "We are all at a loss," she says. "Robert was the guy who wouldn't hurt a fly."
Family man

MOO
 
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"Why did Lindstrom's good friend, Chris, allegedly murder his entire family?" BBM
Chris Watts case: Friend 'dumbfounded' that Watts allegedly confessed to murdering family


Why aren't any of his friends speaking out?

{Quote from friend}

Doesn't count!

Lol

I wouldn't be saying a word in public if I knew him. I can't imagine it would be safe, for one thing.

I appreciate your finding and posting these.

ETA I hope a little tongue in cheek humor will be allowed by me... We've allowed it in small doses before...
 
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How romantic, lol.
Oh you know, strong chinned wild west guy, smart gal who likes brawn instead of brains, great outdoors, no one around for miles except the jackalopes.
 
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Does it say which shop? Just wondering as a local, tia.
(I guess I could read it when I have time)
And do they sell lawn mowers?

Insert silly grin here. But seriously, second hand mowers do exist
 
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I’ve heard people say the same thing about other perps..
Sometimes we just don’t know what is reaaaally going on in someone’s head.

A lot can change since high school it seems.

The Thayers were initially surprised as well, until they saw his later apathy.

I'm eager to find out if CW interacted with any of his co-workers, or anyone else that morning, soon after he buried SW and dumped the bodies of his girls.

It's been very interesting to hear others' accounts of CW's demeanor (and re-watching his porch interviews), from the day of or days following that fateful night.

Similarly, I think it'd be very telling to hear from anyone who might have come into contact with him within an hour or even a couple hours of the horrible events. Was he acting himself? And what was he wearing, clothes-wise and shoes-wise? Jmo
 
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In my opinion he did it.

In my opinion he snapped.

In my opinion being introverted and what have you (personality disorders, etc.)has nothing to do with it. Our society prizes extroversion and most people get the wrong idea about introversion and think people are just weird or shy since they aren’t outgoing.

In my opinion he snapped because people that aren’t the dominate or equal partner in a marriage hold it in until they can’t take it any longer. At that point it doesn’t matter what the reason is. And IMO This is where the differences between men dominated in a relationship and women dominated in a relationship come into play. Many women either kill themselves, leave, or slowly become of shell of themselves when they stay, while men take extremes sometimes (putting it mildly I know)

And if he killed the kids, IMO, it’s because as someone pointed out earlier in a post (will try to look for it later), he may have hated the kids because of her.

All this does not justify murder and all this is just my opinion. I just hate to see introverts and people with social anxiety get a bad rap.

I have seen so many men that are only attracted to dominating women. Same for women. It's what they want in their life. The ones I know grew up with dominating mothers. It isn't right or wrong it is just what they are attracted to.

I don't see SW as being THAT dominating. Certainly not enough to be killed for it. I suspect she was in charge of much of their life simply because he wouldn't be. Not sure why a confident assertive woman equals dominating witch in some people's opinions.

I don't think he "snapped" I think he planned it the whole time she was gone. In my opinion; I think he felt pressured to get it done as school was going to start.
 
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