Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #38

[ZsaZsa]

That's what I thought when I read about the alleged Sephora shopping.

I'm a bit confused and I hope someone can clarify: has the alleged male AP been verified as a legit AP or is he a scammer looking for fame? MOO

We haven't seen anyone in authority validate his claims as yet. He asserts that AB and LE have seen his texts from CW( which he further states SW found on 4th July) and that he handed towels which contained CW's DNA to LE. All of those claims can easily be proved I suppose, so we shall see. Curious to know why you would save soiled towels unless blackmail is your thing...

 

[Allabouttrial]

Oh no, I know you weren't trying to be gruesome and I'm pretty sure more gruesome things will come out at trial.
I really hope the girls were asleep and didn't suffer too much. MOO.

One thing I still don't get - why strangulation?!?

 

[nwmouse]

We haven't seen anyone in authority validate his claims as yet. He asserts that AB and LE have seen his texts from CW( which he further states SW found on 4th July) and that he handed towels which contained CW's DNA to LE. All of those claims can easily be proved I suppose, so we shall see. Curious to know why you would save soiled towels unless blackmail is your thing...

BBM:
Crikey, just when I thought things couldn't get weirder with the alleged male AP we find out he kept CW's soiled towels as possible "mementos" or "trophies"? Eww and GROSS! MOO, but this alleged male AP sounds a few beers short of a six-pack.

 

[MassGuy]

One thing I still don't get - why strangulation?!?

Because it requires no tools, and isn’t messy. There likely isn’t going to be anywhere near the extent of forensic evidence left behind, than had he used a knife, gun, or blunt object.

This also makes sense in the event that this crime wasn’t premeditated. When you’re angry, you use whatever is available. Typically, it’s your hands.

 

[nwmouse]

One thing I still don't get - why strangulation?!?

I don't know. Its so personal and I don't know how any person can look into the eyes of a child whilst they're being strangled. I don't how anyone can kill a child in the first place.

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM:
Crikey, just when I thought things couldn't get weirder with the alleged male AP we find out he kept CW's soiled towels as "mementos"? Eww and GROSS! MOO, but this alleged male AP sounds a few beers short of a six-pack.

The Monica Lewinsky effect.....

 

[Best of What's Around]

IIRC CBS news paid $200,000 to Casey Anthony for what they hoped would become interview rights. As it turned out, all they got for their money (so far) was some photographs of Caylee. Of course they vigorously denied paying her anything until Baez had to reveal in court the source of her defense fund. CBS are not alone, all the major media do it, they just hide it.

Did not know that. Was that possibly for her movie rights?

 

[sun16]

It's just so hard to imagine. Especially killing them beforehand, although I too have theorized on that. It seems easier to picture him killing them after killing SW, I don't know why. Maybe partially buying into the "jeez it was just rage" excuse.

I’ve been wondering if he killed the girls after SW, was there really no noise to wake the girls up? Who knows what really went on there that afternoon and night.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Because it requires no tools, and isn’t messy. There likely isn’t going to be anywhere near the extent of forensic evidence left behind, than had he used a knife, gun, or blunt object.

This also makes sense in the event that this crime wasn’t premeditated. When you’re angry, you use whatever is available. Typically, it’s your hands.

What about smothering instead though?

 

[Best of What's Around]

IIRC CBS news paid $200,000 to Casey Anthony for what they hoped would become interview rights. As it turned out, all they got for their money (so far) was some photographs of Caylee. Of course they vigorously denied paying her anything until Baez had to reveal in court the source of her defense fund. CBS are not alone, all the major media do it, they just hide it.

Looks like it was ABC for "pictures and video" Casey Anthony, Accused Baby Killer, Declared Indigent Despite $200,000 Pictures Payoff Wow.

EDITED TO ADD: Correction! Also CBS... Critics hammer ABC News for $200,000 fee to Anthonys

 

[Jennifer17]

BBM:
Crikey, just when I thought things couldn't get weirder with the alleged male AP we find out he kept CW's soiled towels as possible "mementos" or "trophies"? Eww and GROSS! MOO, but this alleged male AP sounds a few beers short of a six-pack.

He was in good company with CW, then.

 

[MassGuy]

What about smothering instead though?

I do think that smothering is more typical. The only reason I discount that here, is his claim that Shanann strangled the kids. If he had smothered them, I think he would have said that’s what he saw Shanann do. It just doesn’t make a great deal of sense to lie here.

On the flip side of that, maybe he would have thought (wrongly) that the claim that she smothered them, would have made his postoffense actions appear worse.

He may have thought that smothering would have meant that the kids being saved by a call to 911 was more viable, and in turn, his actions would appear more aggegious.

The autopsy will likely tell us, but I’m leaning towards strangulation.

 

[nwmouse]

IIRC CBS news paid $200,000 to Casey Anthony for what they hoped would become interview rights. As it turned out, all they got for their money (so far) was some photographs of Caylee. Of course they vigorously denied paying her anything until Baez had to reveal in court the source of her defense fund. CBS are not alone, all the major media do it, they just hide it.

They should have known better than to pay a rotten liar and grifter. IMO.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Did not know that. Was that possibly for her movie rights?

I mis- spoke when I said CBS, it was actually ABC. Too late to edit.
We don't know what they expected to get from her, but photos and video was all they got.

 

[Jennifer17]

I do think that smothering is more typical. The only reason I discount that here, is his claim that Shanann strangled the kids. If he had smothered them, I think he would have said that’s what he saw Shanann do. It just doesn’t make a great deal of sense to lie here.

On the flip side of that, maybe he would have thought (wrongly) that the claim that she smothered them, would have made his postoffense actions appear worse.

He may have thought that smothering would have meant that the kids being saved by a call to 911 was more viable, and in turn, his actions would appear more aggegious.

The autopsy will likely tell us, but I’m leaning towards strangulation.

I think he is too stupid to know that the autopsy will be able to discern the difference.
I would imagine if they were smothered that they would have microscopic fibres from whatever he smothered them with in their airways.

 

[nwmouse]

I do think that smothering is more typical. The only reason I discount that here, is his claim that Shanann strangled the kids. If he had smothered them, I think he would have said that’s what he saw Shanann do. It just doesn’t make a great deal of sense to lie here.

On the flip side of that, maybe he would have thought (wrongly) that the claim that she smothered them, would have made his postoffense actions appear worse.

He may have thought that smothering would have meant that the kids being saved by a call to 911 was more viable, and in turn, his actions would appear more aggegious.

The autopsy will likely tell us, but I’m leaning towards strangulation.

BBM
We saw his huge, python-sized biceps in that lawn photo and I can't help thinking what else he did with those biceps.
He's so strong and those girls had little chicken-necks.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I mis- spoke when I said CBS, it was actually ABC. Too late to edit.
We don't know what they expected to get from her, but photos and video was all they got.

You were actually right...it was BOTH CBS AND ABC. Shocking to me! I had no idea they would pay that much. Looks like they received some well earned backlash as a result, but still...

 

[MassGuy]

I think he is too stupid to know that they autopsy will be able to discern the difference.
I would imagine if they were smothered that they would have microscopic fibres from whatever he smothered them with in their airways.

Yes. And the telltale sign of strangulation (broken hyoid bone) wouldn’t be present in smothering.

 

[mickey2942]

I am really interested if CW had EVER taken care of his 2 little girls alone before this trip that SW made. Not just here and there, but actually for two full days and nights or longer.

 

[Jennifer17]

I am really interested if CW had EVER taken care of his 2 little girls alone before this trip that SW made. Not just here and there, but actually for two full days and nights or longer.

Good question.