Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #38

[Jennifer17]

A dead person usually isn't named as a suspect but that also doesn't mean LE is NOT investigating CW's allegation. CW is allowed a defense and it will up to the prosecution to prove he murdered the children. If there is any evidence that supports his allegation, the prosecution is going to want to know it. JMO

Dead people are often named as suspects but SW has not been. I am confident that LE is not taking his ridiculous story as anything other than he is CYA.

 

[MassGuy]

The defense made the motion because they had been given reason to believe the ME did not intend to collect any DNA from the neck areas. There is a possibility their client is telling the truth. JMO

They had absolutely no reason to believe that, as it would certainly be standard practice here. The defense doesn’t get to tell the ME how to do his job.

They most likely made this request on behalf of their client, based solely on his word.

There are no allegations of incompetence here.

 

[Jennifer17]

Because its "clean"...

No blood evidence and I think that he very likely smothered those little girls and is too stupid to know that an autopsy can find that.

 

[MyBelle]

I think about that all of the time. Not that it’s ever okay to kill any one, but husbands killing wives and visa versa is often a crime of passion due to some marital issue but your own children? It just seems to go against nature, imo. Your flesh and blood, half of you, from birth and before, you loved them, raised them...it just beyond comprehension that a parent can kill their own children.
JMO.

ITA. I think there has to be something "broken" in one's brain to kill one's children. JMO

 

[Quinquin]

I think we have a deafening silence regarding the movement of the truck and her vehicle before that 5:30 (roughly) on Monday morning, firm sighting by neighbor & camera. Except that no other vehicle was seen except NUAs at 1:48 (roughly, I don't remember the exact minute). LE is withholding from us!!

But remember in the affidavit it stated video observation of NUA in driveway at 1:48 dropping SW off and then CW ‘s truck backed in the driveway then leaving at 5:37 am iirc. Who knows if street views were caught. I would assume he took girls to birthday party in her car because of child seats and neighbor’s camera should definitely show him pulling into driveway after b-day party with or without the girls whether it was early in evening or later. He could have killed babies after that and taken their bodies to his truck parked on street in front of house. If it was late then the neighborhood would be quiet and not many people would be out walking around on a work night. Bed time for us suburbanites! The transport of bodies seem to be confined via his truck that LE picked up scents of all three deceased in back seat. But doesn’t mean the bodies of the babies and SW were in the truck at the very same time. 2 bodies could have been transported earlier and then SW later. ??

 

[Jennifer17]

The defense made the motion because they had been given reason to believe the ME did not intend to collect any DNA from the neck areas. There is a possibility their client is telling the truth. JMO

No, that is not true. The ME knows how to handle a murder autopsy and does not need the defence team to tell them how, as the judge noted.

 

[katydid23]

The defense made the motion because they had been given reason to believe the ME did not intend to collect any DNA from the neck areas. There is a possibility their client is telling the truth. JMO

Why would they think the ME wasn't going to test the neck area for forensics evidence? That makes no sense.

 

[Jennifer17]

ITA. I think there has to be something "broken" in one's brain to kill one's children. JMO

Yes, the kind of broken brain that was having affairs with all types of partners.

 

[MyBelle]

They had absolutely no reason to believe that, as it would certainly be standard practice here. The defense doesn’t get to tell the ME how to do his job.

They most likely made this request on behalf of their client, based solely on his word.

There are no allegations of incompetence here.

The motion speaks for itself. I seriously doubt the defense lied. JMO

 

[Colorado303]

Yes and his name only being on the mortgage means it is his debt, doesn't it?

It means they only used his income to qualify for the loan, but as a married couple in CO I believe she would also be saddled with the debt if he defaulted.

 

[Seattle1]

No, but my guess that has a whole lot less to do with publicity/shaming and more to do with the incredible, impossibly awkward idea of trying to grieve with SW's family and friends when LE has arrested one of your family for their murder.

After venting his initial shock and grief, SW brother publicly called for all to recognize CW family as their extended family, and victims that were also grieving. SW family extended only love to them. Links to brother's post available in media thread. Personally, I believe they had safety concerns about attending the funerals. It's possible that the funeral was streamed at their request.

I also know that wild Colorado horses could not keep me away. MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I've read that as well, about the text messages.
Below are some transcripts in reference to the man's interview.
CNN.com Transcripts;

"BANFIELD: I do want to say that, you know, some reporting about this remarkable interview last night that lasted an hour was that he was

Or conversely, the oil could have fixed the dna to their bodies. It is not like moving water. I think that human dna may be able to be detected in the oil that coated their bodies.

I thought the same thing too, that the oil would preserve the DNA, but then I saw that video someone posted here about “crude oil bath spas” and how they need to scrape the oil off of their bodies after they are done soaking in it.
Scraping oily skin, I would think would definitely remove DNA or any other trace evidence.

 

[MassGuy]

ITA. I think there has to be something "broken" in one's brain to kill one's children. JMO

It doesn’t excuse it. And CW’s actions after the fact were cool, calm, reasoned, and diabolical.

Those weren’t the actions of a man who “lost it.” Those were the actions of a man who knew exactly what he was doing.

Fortunately for the sake of justice, he is as incompetent as he is evil.

 

[Jennifer17]

Why would they think the ME wasn't going to test the neck area for forensics evidence? That makes no sense.

Of course it doesn't. It was a publicity move on their part and a very transparent one IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Why would they think the ME wasn't going to test the neck area for forensics evidence? That makes no sense.

I think because of the crude oil. The defense did go to the trouble of providing an expert witness who said a specific collection method could be successfully used.

 

[Jennifer17]

I thought the same thing too, that the oil would preserve the DNA, but then I saw that video someone posted here about “crude oil bath spas” and how they need to scrape the oil off of their bodies after they are done soaking in it.
Scraping oily skin, I would think would definitely remove DNA or any other trace evidence.

Yes, but the oil that they scraped off their little throats may still contain DNA. There is not usually human DNA in crude oil.

 

[MassGuy]

The motion speaks for itself. I seriously doubt the defense lied. JMO

The motion was made in the hours after the bodies were retrieved. The defense took the suspect at his word, plain and simple.

Show me evidence that they knew the ME wouldn’t test for DNA on the victim’s necks.

 

[MyBelle]

It doesn’t excuse it. And CW’s actions after the fact were cool, calm, reasoned, and diabolical.

Those weren’t the actions of a man who “lost it.” Those were the actions of a man who knew exactly what he was doing.

Fortunately for the sake of justice, he is as incompetent as he is evil.

I didn't remotely suggest mental illness is an excuse. It is an explanation. <modsnip: unnecessary>

 

[Best of What's Around]

Yes and his name only being on the mortgage means it is his debt, doesn't it?

Not sure if this has been answered yet as I am catching up again, but I do not believe she can own part of the house and not be on the mortgage...because mortgage is a secured debt. Secured by the house. Right?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I think LE figured out his allegation was bogus about the time they arrested and charged him with murder of all three. Not sure they would devote much time to his claims. Of course he is going to blame someone else. That's what murderers do...

Yes!

There are no witnesses, everyone is dead, CW will deny because it's what murderers do. It's difficult to understand when his supporters accept it's only natural to discard your families bodies for fear of imprisonment, but harder to believe he'd blame the only person he could, his wife?!
He even hinted in the porch interviews they were abducted, again, blame! This guy would blame his dog if he could, imo!