Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #38

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #841
Having looked at his Instagram photos there’s no question he seeks attention. Good or bad - attention is attention. If it’s true that he had a fling with C.W. I’d be very surprised simply because that man is really, really flamboyant. I found him unattractive and that’s putting it mildly. If he made the story up, he still benefited by the scores of people checking out his Instagram which makes it winner. Just my thoughts on it at 1:13am. Goodnight Sleuthers!

In my mind, so far, one relationship outside of marriage has been confirmed, and that was with his female co-worker. I would not even mention this man, because he obviously wants attention, or money, or both.
 
  • #842
Doesn't matter if the defense lost the motion. They are doing their job. They are protecting their client. CW didn't give up his right to manage his estate, he's allowing SW's family to manage HER estate. The same guy who gave permission for them to enter and remove items from his house. JMO
Oh what honey he is. Allowing the family of the woman he murdered to retrieve her items from HIS house?
While he is sitting in a jail cell charged with murdering his whole family? How generous of him.
 
  • #843
Delete
 
  • #844
In previous threads there has been discussion of whether SW would have had access to PPO providers when she was visiting family in NC. There has also been discussion about how much life insurance CW may have purchased on SW, through payroll deduction.

CW's employer-sponsored group health Summary Plan Description is published online and I looked at it last night. Their definition of eligible spouse excludes a divorced spouse. If the status of health insurance laws remained unchanged, SW, upon divorce, would have been able to elect temporary COBRA continuation. If things remained status quo in terms of options available today, there would have been other options for health insurance for her. JMO.

Per CW's group health SPD for 2018, it appears one of two options are available and both provide for utilization of United Healthcare's Choice Plus PPO network. I cannot log into UHC as a user of one of those specific employer plans, but per the UHC website, under general directory, there's a huge number of UHC Choice Plus medical providers in Charlotte, NC. JMO, SW had access to in-network medical care in Charlotte, NC.

With respect to the employer-sponsored voluntary life (payroll deduction) plan, there is a short summary online. It appears the following options are available:

Employee - up to 5 x salary
Spouse - options of $25,000, $50,000, $75,000 and $100,000
Each Child - options of $5,000, $10,000

JMO, I do think CW had some sort of "master plan" that made a lot of sense to him, in his own mind, and I do think he thought he would get away with it. I also think staging was involved, because, IMO, there has to be something that explains why SW was in a shallow grave and the girls were hidden in oil storage tanks.

JMO, I don't think life insurance on SW was a motive for the murders, but I do think the possibility of collecting life insurance on SW might have influenced how he tried to stage things. I do think he is very manipulative and cunning and he thought he could steer LE into reaching conclusions about what happened.

To me, it is as if he wanted SW's body to be discovered, and I think he thought no one would ever think of looking in those oil storage tanks for his little girls. The discovery of SW's body, in that very apparent shallow grave could lead LE to believe this had been a kidnapping all along and SW had been murdered to carry out the kidnapping and the little girls would never be found.

I believe Mindhunter theorized about this. It makes sense to me because all of SW's things were at the house, as well as her car. I also think the separation discussion story might have been a desperate attempt by CW to try to get NUA to back off, and that blew up in his face, because then nothing at the house made any sense at all.

If he had gone home after work on Monday. unlocked the back door and then called LE himself, that kind of makes sense. There were no security cams in back. It also looks like the fence in the back of the yard is a short fence, with rails. It would be easy to go through the rails or even climb over it.

Would the possibility of collecting $100,000 on SW influence how someone like CW might try to stage things? I think it might. Could SW have been approved for $100,000? I think that's entirely possible. I don't think she was terminally ill with lupus, and I also think an underwriter's decisions on life insurance approvals can be influenced by the size of the employer's group. CW's former employer was a huge employer group and a difference of $75,000 in benefits ($25,000 to $100,000) would be less than a pittance compared to the aggregate life insurance premiums paid by that group.

All JMO.
 
  • #845
Theoretically,there is $100,000 of equity in the house
If it can get a buyer to ignore the horror that went on there. Doubtful to me.
 
  • #846
In my mind, so far, one relationship outside of marriage has been confirmed, and that was with his female co-worker. I would not even mention this man, because he obviously wants attention, or money, or both.
Yes. I think it’s correct to be extremely cautious in regards to this guy and his claims.

We have one confirmed affair thus far. If the leaks are to be believed, there were multiple, involving men and women. But we have no confirmation of that.
 
  • #847
Check this out:

Battelle ExactID®

“ExactID ushers in the new era of investigative genetics. Our proprietary ExactID software allows you to exploit the full power of massively parallel sequencing (MPS) technologies, also known as next-generation sequencing, to find new leads in genetic data that was previously considered unusable. ExactID turns DNA into a very objective witness, providing a revolutionary new way to solve cases that have never been solved before.”

Snip

“Generate usable data from mixed or degraded DNA samples”

ExactID
 
  • #848
Protecting their client from what? What have you seen? HER estate belongs to him. He is her surviving heir. He gave up his right to manage it today.
The defense is protecting their client's right to due process and also to effective counsel.
JMO
 
  • #849
"Counsel has a good faith belief that once the autopsies are finished, the remains of the two children—and more importantly, this evidence—will be turned over and lost forever."

Even more interesting is the motion says neck swab is more important than the bodies of the murdered children. I don't think these lawyers are used to their pleadings receiving any public attention because this just reads as callous even if I understand legally what they're saying.
I agree the technicality of it is cold and insensitive. They are all experienced professionals but this case is drawing interest and scrutiny beyond the norm.
 
  • #850
In previous threads there has been discussion of whether SW would have had access to PPO providers when she was visiting family in NC. There has also been discussion about how much life insurance CW may have purchased on SW, through payroll deduction.

CW's employer-sponsored group health Summary Plan Description is published online and I looked at it last night. Their definition of eligible spouse excludes a divorced spouse. If the status of health insurance laws remained unchanged, SW, upon divorce, would have been able to elect temporary COBRA continuation. If things remained status quo in terms of options available today, there would have been other options for health insurance for her. JMO.

Per CW's group health SPD for 2018, it appears one of two options are available and both provide for utilization of United Healthcare's Choice Plus PPO network. I cannot log into UHC as a user of one of those specific employer plans, but per the UHC website, under general directory, there's a huge number of UHC Choice Plus medical providers in Charlotte, NC. JMO, SW had access to in-network medical care in Charlotte, NC.

With respect to the employer-sponsored voluntary life (payroll deduction) plan, there is a short summary online. It appears the following options are available:

Employee - up to 5 x salary
Spouse - options of $25,000, $50,000, $75,000 and $100,000
Each Child - options of $5,000, $10,000

JMO, I do think CW had some sort of "master plan" that made a lot of sense to him, in his own mind, and I do think he thought he would get away with it. I also think staging was involved, because, IMO, there has to be something that explains why SW was in a shallow grave and the girls were hidden in oil storage tanks.

JMO, I don't think life insurance on SW was a motive for the murders, but I do think the possibility of collecting life insurance on SW might have influenced how he tried to stage things. I do think he is very manipulative and cunning and he thought he could steer LE into reaching conclusions about what happened.

To me, it is as if he wanted SW's body to be discovered, and I think he thought no one would ever think of looking in those oil storage tanks for his little girls. The discovery of SW's body, in that very apparent shallow grave could lead LE to believe this had been a kidnapping all along and SW had been murdered to carry out the kidnapping and the little girls would never be found.

I believe Mindhunter theorized about this. It makes sense to me because all of SW's things were at the house, as well as her car. I also think the separation discussion story might have been a desperate attempt by CW to try to get NUA to back off, and that blew up in his face, because then nothing at the house made any sense at all.

If he had gone home after work on Monday. unlocked the back door and then called LE himself, that kind of makes sense. There were no security cams in back. It also looks like the fence in the back of the yard is a short fence, with rails. It would be easy to go through the rails or even climb over it.

Would the possibility of collecting $100,000 on SW influence how someone like CW might try to stage things. I think it might. Could CW have been approved for $100,000? I think that's entirely possible. I don't think she was terminally ill with lupus, and I also think an underwriter's decisions on life insurance approvals can also be influenced by the size of the employer's group. CW's former employer was a huge employer group and a difference of $75,000 in benefits ($25,000 to $100,000) would be less than a pittance compared to the aggregate life insurance premiums paid by that group.

All JMO.
The rest of the western would is just agape at this complicated stuff about health care. We do not have those complications.
 
  • #851
Yeah, I don't know where we're going to find that information. If it's out there, I haven't seen it.
MOO

I’m getting closer LOL:

“DNA recovery from food samples might be of great importance when the raw material used in the production process has to be traced. We were interested in verifying the presence of nucleic acids in extra virgin olive oil in order to determine the cultivar of origin of the olives used for the production. A reliable DNA extraction method for extra virgin olive oil has been defined, as far as both quantity and quality are concerned, and the possibility of using this DNA for fingerprinting the original cultivar has been demonstrated. DNA extraction was tested on four monovariety oils, plus four commercial extra virgin olive oils. The DNA in the extracted solution was of chloroplast and nuclear origin since we were able to amplify cloned cultivar RAPD and AFLP fragments homologous to nuclear DNA of other species. It has also been shown that DNA purified from oil can be used for AFLP analysis and that the profile of the DNA purified from a monovariety oil corresponds to the profile of the DNA purified from the leaves of the same cultivar.“

(Who knew?!)

Link in progress
 
  • #852
Seriously? Wow -- I was under the impression he ate a whole box of something! I thought that was what his wife said to 911 operator as he was aiming for her.
Yes it sounds like he was having an episode of some sort, and the media sure blamed it on edibles, but that couldn't have been the case. He bought a 100mg edible and just ate a bit of it. He pled guilty so they never really investigated that part, but the defense would have used it for sure, and they would have looked stupid with the tiny amount he had in his system!
 
  • #853
I did not watch the show but i read that post to read that AB was shown the texts from the alleged affair partner to CW, and those same texts were supposedly shown to SW on July 4th. AB is just the reporter here.

How did SW see them?
 
  • #854
Closing up for the night now and we'll see you back here tomorrow.

Good Night everyone !!
 
  • #855
Good morning and Happy Friday!
427d3bc9.gif


link


 
  • #856
Hoping we know more re: autopsy's today!
 
  • #857
Good morning!

A couple of things:

1) IMO the defense attorneys are doing a great job. Many of the motions they are filing are simply to protect and preserve their client’s rights and I would do the same. In some cases, they will not expect to be successful on the motion but a vigorous defense still requires it to be made. I have not seen ANY reason to believe that they are incompetent, inexperienced, or unprofessional. Quite the contrary.

2) a totally legit and honest question - what on earth did AB talk about on her show prior to this case???
 
  • #858
Hoping we know more re: autopsy's today!

Do you know if the hearing has been scheduled yet?

I assume it will not be open to the public...?
 
  • #859
I agree her financial success may have been the final straw, she was clearly a go getter, while he was out looking around on the side for getting shored up.

I think he was out looking around on the side for getting a bit on the side IMO.
 
  • #860
For our attorneys, could you briefly recap what it is we're waiting for with regard to the autopsies? Am I right that the full autopsy results have now been given to the prosecution and the defense, that the prosecution already requested for the results to be sealed until trial and we're waiting for the defense to either join that request or say that they see no need for the results to be sealed?

If I'm wrong could you explain what I got wrong. And if I'm on the right tracks, will we hear today if the defense does or does not agree with the sealing request? And what happens next if they do agree? Or what happens next if they don't agree?

Thanks in advance.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
95
Guests online
3,064
Total visitors
3,159

Forum statistics

Threads
632,649
Messages
18,629,668
Members
243,234
Latest member
_nelle
Back
Top