Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #38

[JudgeJudi]

Howdy folks, good morning and g'day.

 

[Amandaaa]

For our attorneys, could you briefly recap what it is we're waiting for with regard to the autopsies? Am I right that the full autopsy results have now been given to the prosecution and the defense, that the prosecution already requested for the results to be sealed until trial and we're waiting for the defense to either join that request or say that they see no need for the results to be sealed?

If I'm wrong could you explain what I got wrong. And if I'm on the right tracks, will we hear today if the defense does or does not agree with the sealing request? And what happens next if they do agree? Or what happens next if they don't agree?

Thanks in advance.

Per the court’s second order, we are waiting for a hearing to be scheduled and conducted at which time the arguments will be heard. The first order was vacated and currently I have not seen anything asking for the defense to file a response. Media will likely join in and argue against sealing.

 

[JudgeJudi]

It could be very remarkable depending on a number of things. Were the girls in bed sleeping already or were they already dead?
What was he grilling? Food, evidence, letters, information, clothing?

Well, he didn't need to be doing any grilling or any other cooking because his caring wife had pre-cooked enough meals to cover every night while she was away.

 

[NuttMegg]

I think he was out looking around on the side for getting a bit on the side IMO.

getting shored up = bit on the side, lol

 

[Amonet]

Per the courts second order, we are waiting for a hearing to be scheduled and conducted at which time the arguments will be heard. The first order was vacated and currently I have not seen anything asking for the defense to file a response

Thank you, I was completely wrong, then. And that's why I asked, in case I wasn't the only one getting confused with all these motions and procedures.

Wasn't there a two-day period for the defense to respond to something, and the two days is up today? Have I got that wrong, too?

 

[Mrspratcher]

Do you know if the hearing has been scheduled yet?

I assume it will not be open to the public...?

IIRC the Court's Order said the hearing would be in camera.

The statutory language in CORA indicates a hearing should be held "at the earliest practical time". Defense received a copy on Monday, so hoping we hear something by today.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

@DAdvocate, I see you are still here and do you have anything to add these days?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

If it can get a buyer to ignore the horror that went on there. Doubtful to me.

Strangely, some people like the fact that a house has a history like that. Not me though, I’d be seeing ghosts everywhere. I think they should just level it and create a community garden on the property in Bella and CeCe’s names, but I’m sure the HOA won’t go for that at all.

 

[Amandaaa]

Thank you, I was completely wrong, then. And that's why I asked, in case I wasn't the only one getting confused with all these motions and procedures.

Wasn't there a two-day period for the defense to respond to something, and the two days is up today? Have I got that wrong, too?

That was in the court’s first order in response to the prosecution’s initial motion. At that time, the court was under the impression that there had not been any CORA requests. I believe now that it has become apparent that multiple entities/individuals are seeking access to the records, the procedure has changed to allow the parties/media to be heard at the hearing. First order was vacated so I do not believe the defense has been ordered to submit anything. No idea when the hearing will be held/scheduled and whether we will find out in advance or just after the fact.

 

[Amonet]

IIRC the Court's Order said the hearing would be in camera.

The statutory language in CORA indicates a hearing should be held "at the earliest practical time". Defense received a copy on Monday, so hoping we hear something by today.

So we won't find out which way the defense will argue? We'll just have to wait until after the in camera hearing for the official decision?

 

[Amonet]

That was in the court’s first order in response to the prosecution’s initial motion. At that time, the court was under the impression that there had not been any CORA requests. I believe now that it has become apparent that multiple entities/individuals are seeking access to the records, the procedure has changed to allow the parties/media to be heard at the hearing. First order was vacated so I do not believe the defense has been ordered to submit anything. No idea when the hearing will be held/scheduled and whether we will find out in advance or just after the fact.

Thank you. I had totally missed that the order had been vacated and that the court being aware of the CORA requests had had this effect.

 

[Amandaaa]

So we won't find out which way the defense will argue? We'll just have to wait until after the in camera hearing for the official decision?

The burden is on the custodian (prosecution) to argue for sealing. My *guess* is that we won’t know until the order is issued after the hearing.

 

[kaykay543]

Yup. Hopefully they continue to do so. No one wants a viable appeal for “ineffective counsel.”

Once he’s behind bars, or better yet, on death row, I want him to be left with as little hope as possible.

I really feel he will take a plea to avoid the death penalty. I really don't think this will ever go to trial. I pray for the families involved that this is what happens.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Apologies if this has been posted or if this is not an approved site. It was too unreal not to share. I’m sure our verified attorneys will like to weigh in here.

Shan’ann Watts Died Without a Will -- & Her Accused Husband Could Inherit Her Estate

I read this article too. Read my post which asks some questions together with the reply by Mrspratcher, one of our VI attorneys p.3 #57

 

[Amandaaa]

IIRC the Court's Order said the hearing would be in camera.

The statutory language in CORA indicates a hearing should be held "at the earliest practical time". Defense received a copy on Monday, so hoping we hear something by today.

The order doesn’t say in camera - is that in the statute?

 

[CarnegieHall]

CW and SW were together for 8 years, CW had enough time before Bella's birth to decide whether to go forward with this relationship, even after Bella was born if it was too much for him to handle, he could have left.
This is always going to be about CW, imo. Family annihilators have killed quiet, unassuming partners too, it's a travesty to analyse SW and 'ultimately' means somehow she was responsible.
SW didn't know she was sleeping with the enemy, this is often the case with fa.[/QUOTE]

We do know how the relationship started and it's been reported repeatedly by many MSM sources.

A mutual contact sent her a Facebook prompt suggesting CW as a possible friend. She deleted it. Two months later she received a diagnosis — her brother said she had lupus — “and I went through one of the, I would say, darkest times of my life, because things just got scarier.”

She was living in NC at the time, quit her job of nine years, lost friends “because they didn’t understand that I looked perfectly fine, and I felt horribly inside,” and “was in a really, really, really bad place, and I got a friend request from Chris on Facebook,” she said. “I was like, oh what the heck, I’m never going to meet him,” she said. “Accept.”

“Well, one thing led to another, and eight years later we have two kids, we live in Colorado, and he’s the best thing that has ever happened to me,” she said.

Shanann Watts Met Husband Chris Online During Dark Period 8 Years Before Murder: 'He Is Amazing'

Thanks for SW and CW history. Did not know how they met.

However, my post was in reply to another post regarding the AP. I did not know the details regarding their relationship.

 

[Mrspratcher]

For our attorneys, could you briefly recap what it is we're waiting for with regard to the autopsies? Am I right that the full autopsy results have now been given to the prosecution and the defense, that the prosecution already requested for the results to be sealed until trial and we're waiting for the defense to either join that request or say that they see no need for the results to be sealed?

If I'm wrong could you explain what I got wrong. And if I'm on the right tracks, will we hear today if the defense does or does not agree with the sealing request? And what happens next if they do agree? Or what happens next if they don't agree?

Thanks in advance.

Currently, the autopsies are marked as confidential.

They are to remain this way until there is an evidentiary hearing to determine whether they should be released.

Irrespective of the prosecution or the defense's desire to keep them sealed/unsealed, the Court will need to address the issue, as several news organizations have requested copies. The news orgs will argue they have both a constitutional (1st Amendment) and a statutory (CORA) right to the results. The burden is on the prosecution, as it is the official custodian of the autopsy results (per CORA). In order to prevail, the State must evidence a substantial injury to the public interest.

Hoping we hear something today, if not, I would say for sure by next week.

 

[Starkville]

Wasn't the Watts grill on their deck? Why would small children need to be on that deck as well? The children could have been on the other side of the door in the kitchen where CW could see them. JMO

I agree. My kids weren’t allowed anywhere near a hot grill. I, personally, don’t find anything odd about the story. At 7:15, as a neighbor observing a lone Chris grilling on the deck, I’d expect that the kids would be in bed. Or inside, away from the grill. Even in retrospect, I don’t find it a big clue that something was wrong.

JMO.

 

[JudgeJudi]

It makes me so sick, and little Bella was the spitting image of him. How could he look at her and kill. Or tiny CeCe.

To me she’s the spitting image of Shanann at about that age.



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[dixiegirl1035]

I really feel he will take a plea to avoid the death penalty. I really don't think this will ever go to trial. I pray for the families involved that this is what happens.

I get that, I really do! yet I have seen on many shows that were years later that the families really wanted to go to trial because they wanted to know all the evidence, and they wanted to know the entire truth.