Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[Starkville]

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I am a bit puzzled by some people who can believe that he killed them all and dumped his little girls in crude oil vats and was having an affair with a woman but just cannot accept that he had a same sex affair.

I believe Chris killed his family. I can believe that he had same-sex dalliances, but I think his affair at the time of the murders was with his female coworker. I don’t believe that TB is credible, but if evidence comes out, I’ll believe.

JMO!

 

[Shekkiec]

It’s significant that he spent that last week in N.C. with them too. Something may have happened to fuel his resolve had he just been toying with the idea before. He had experienced a month of freedom and came back into the family fold that last week in N.C. and he may have felt more trapped and desperate.

Then once they were back home for a few days together, he could have become even more agitated-so everything was building up. No wonder she felt ill before going home that night.

One thing that isn’t discussed much is the fact that Bella was supposed to start kindergarten THAT Monday and not the NEXT Monday that he claimed to the press. Could that have added to pressure as well? Surely that’s a milestone day for most parents and Bella would have naturally eagerly anticipated this too.

Had she started school and suddenly been absent later in the week, the school may have notified them (my kids school calls any day they don’t show up). In not showing up for her first day, it’s kind of like she hasn’t started. Some kids don’t come to school the first few days and this was an early, August start date so perhaps the school wouldn’t have been concerned, but had she started and then not come in on following days they may have made inquiries with the parents.

Not sure if he was bright enough to consider this, as he clearly wasn’t caring about SW’s missed doctors appointment. However, it’s my understanding that this was a private school, so a deposit had likely been made for tuition, and they were eventually expecting her to show up.

Just some other triggers to consider.

next Monday could be to him the up coming Monday IMO many people use the word next to imply the upcoming

 

[NuttMegg]

It’s significant that he spent that last week in N.C. with them too. Something may have happened to fuel his resolve had he just been toying with the idea before. He had experienced a month of freedom and came back into the family fold that last week in N.C. and he may have felt more trapped and desperate.

Then once they were back home for a few days together, he could have become even more agitated-so everything was building up. No wonder she felt ill before going home that night.

One thing that isn’t discussed much is the fact that Bella was supposed to start kindergarten THAT Monday and not the NEXT Monday that he claimed to the press. Could that have added to pressure as well? Surely that’s a milestone day for most parents and Bella would have naturally eagerly anticipated this too.

Had she started school and suddenly been absent later in the week, the school may have notified them (my kids school calls any day they don’t show up). In not showing up for her first day, it’s kind of like she hasn’t started. Some kids don’t come to school the first few days and this was an early, August start date so perhaps the school wouldn’t have been concerned, but had she started and then not come in on following days they may have made inquiries with the parents.

Not sure if he was bright enough to consider this, as he clearly wasn’t caring about SW’s missed doctors appointment. However, it’s my understanding that this was a private school, so a deposit had likely been made for tuition, and they were eventually expecting her to show up.

Just some other triggers to consider.

Serena, where did you see that Bella was supposed to start school that same Monday, and not the next Monday? Not that I know any differently, just that I thought it was the following week.

 

[NuttMegg]

Hi Nutt and @Amonet , it's in the arrest warrant, I'm sorry I don't have a link.

Thanks, someone posted it already. I think we've got it, the monitor upstairs on her side of the bed.

 

[Serena Angelique]

next Monday could be to him the up coming Monday IMO many people use the word next to imply the upcoming

But he knew she was supposed to have started the day before and he STUMBLES and stutters over it when he says it. “Bella was gonna start school, uh, like next, uh, next Monday. They were both getting ready to start back.” He did not confuse his child’s first day of kindergarten as happening next week. It just made things more complicated if that was clear to everyone, therefore the qualifying “they were both getting ready to start back” citing no specific day.

I’ve always been so hung up on the fact that he slipped and said WAS, indicating that she WAS never going to start because she was dead. And this AFTER he had dumped them both in crude oil being the reason for it. He totally knew what he was doing, he was just doing a piss poor job of it.

 

[idfinch]

None of it makes sense does it. However when I was little, with 4 brothers and sisters, we always blamed each other when something got broken, lol. And, let's hope the AP has a good alibi for that night, I'll bet she's been quizzed on that by now.

I’m quite surprised that MSM hasn’t named & done a story about this Andarko AP (from the affidavit) yet.

There is enough speculation and just enough facts floating around that you’d think it would have hit People, at least.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Serena, where did you see that Bella was supposed to start school that same Monday, and not the next Monday? Not that I know any differently, just that I thought it was the following week.

Well BabyButterfy said it right here. It was also the beginning of the official school year in CO. There is also a report that was circulated around the neighborhood from the police when they went missing that actually stated that they went missing “before school start time” as well.

That is why it sticks out that CW specified NEXT Monday when he had to have known differently IMO.

 

[NuttMegg]

I’m quite surprised that MSM hasn’t named & done a story about this Andarko AP (from the affidavit) yet.

There is enough speculation and just enough facts floating around that you’d think it would have hit People, at least.

Especially since they are trying to make public the coroner's report, what's the difference with outing the "other woman"?

 

[PommyMommy]

Especially since they are trying to make public the coroner's report, what's the difference with outing the "other woman"?

I would hate to see this happen, honestly. People are outraged enough and it could put her in danger. However she is involved, I don't think she killed anybody, and it has been reported that she is/was cooperating with the investigation.
MOO

 

[idfinch]

Especially since they are trying to make public the coroner's report, what's the difference with outing the "other woman"?

YES! If the condition of the bodies of murdered children should be public knowledge according to MSM, the wealth of info about the AP should be as well IMO.

ETA: I do get that she would potentially be in danger, But MSM doesn’t usually consider that when there is a juicy story.

She was knowingly involved with a married man that ended up killing his entire family. That IMO is different than a family member.

Edited for clarity

 

[UnicornShoe]

I think if there were any signs that the AP was involved, we'd see a change in charges and an arrest-though I totally get why you would speculate that. It truly IS hard to imagine CW doing what he did but, then, that's what people say a lot about family annhilators.

True, very true. I kept thinking about his barbeque the night before- to me, I wouldn't BBQ just for myself. But there have been times when I've fixed the kids some chicken nuggets and mac n cheese, fed them and put them to bed, and then hubby has grilled a nicer, more "adult" meal for us, and we've had a stay at home date kind of night- which made me wonder if that's what happened that last night with CW and the girls. They did the bday party, came home, got baths and he fed them, put them to bed a bit early, and then AP came over, and they had a mini-date before SW got home. When SW's flight was delayed, AP decided to stay over and just planned to leave in the morning before the girls woke up. And then of course, SW got home and things hit the fan.

I don't know what evidence they would find of AP being there, as a co-defendant, that would let them charge her as long as CW is taking the full blame for killing SW and blaming the girls' deaths on SW. It has crossed my mind though, that it's odd that CW would lie about having the affair with AP- if she's a coworker, then I'm sure folks knew, right? But if he was trying to distract law enforcement and keep them from looking to her, he might lie and say she didn't exist, or they were broken up. If LE found proof of her existence in the house- say bodily fluids on the sheets, or whatever, then he could confirm there was an affair. But without other witnesses, and with him giving a story that doesn't include AP having a role in it, and DNA evidence likely ruined because of the oil tanks/burial/etc, it's hard to say.

And maybe I'm just looking for an explanation that's just not there. It's just so hard to wrap my brain around how an apparently loving father and husband, a man whose former classmates and employers all agreed was passive and laidback and non-violent, could snap like this. I could totally understand it if he were a drug user or drinker, or if those patches had some weird stimulant or something in them instead of just herbs. It's just the oddest case to me.

 

[Thepoet]

It’s significant that he spent that last week in N.C. with them too. Something may have happened to fuel his resolve had he just been toying with the idea before. He had experienced a month of freedom and came back into the family fold that last week in N.C. and he may have felt more trapped and desperate.

Then once they were back home for a few days together, he could have become even more agitated-so everything was building up. No wonder she felt ill before going home that night.

One thing that isn’t discussed much is the fact that Bella was supposed to start kindergarten THAT Monday and not the NEXT Monday that he claimed to the press. Could that have added to pressure as well? Surely that’s a milestone day for most parents and Bella would have naturally eagerly anticipated this too.

Had she started school and suddenly been absent later in the week, the school may have notified them (my kids school calls any day they don’t show up). In not showing up for her first day, it’s kind of like she hasn’t started. Some kids don’t come to school the first few days and this was an early, August start date so perhaps the school wouldn’t have been concerned, but had she started and then not come in on following days they may have made inquiries with the parents.

Not sure if he was bright enough to consider this, as he clearly wasn’t caring about SW’s missed doctors appointment. However, it’s my understanding that this was a private school, so a deposit had likely been made for tuition, and they were eventually expecting her to show up.

Just some other triggers to consider.

Good points. Especially about kindergarten. Thank you.

 

[NuttMegg]

I would hate to see this happen, honestly. People are outraged enough and it could put her in danger. However she is involved, I don't think she killed anybody, and it has been reported that she is/was cooperating with the investigation.
MOO

Well I admit I wouldn't like it at all, if I were her, she's probably mortified, but as an intellectual exercise, I do wonder why it hasn't been outed yet with all the MSM poking around.

 

[Thepoet]

I agree 100% with your theory. It also fits, in my mind. He's been charged with three murders, after deliberation. He had time to think before killing all three (and Nico). How much time isn't specified, and it doesn't need to be for purposes of the charges.

We will hopefully learn how long he had been thinking about his "exit strategy". I agree with what you say on when this line of thinking likely began - because it fits with what we know at this time, and that's when SW began to notice his distant behavior and I think he knew what he was going to do when he closed his FB account.

JMO

Thank you. I look forward to learning more. So many questions!

 

[UnicornShoe]

But he knew she was supposed to have started the day before and he STUMBLES and stutters over it when he says it. “Bella was gonna start school, uh, like next, uh, next Monday. They were both getting ready to start back.” He did not confuse his child’s first day of kindergarten as happening next week. It just made things more complicated if that was clear to everyone, therefore the qualifying “they were both getting ready to start back” citing no specific day.

I’ve always been so hung up on the fact that he slipped and said WAS, indicating that she WAS never going to start because she was dead. And this AFTER he had dumped them both in crude oil being the reason for it. He totally knew what he was doing, he was just doing a piss poor job of it.

That was the "ohmygoodness did he really just say that?!?" moment for me- when he said "was" instead of "is." He knew, right then, she was dead. Any parent who had any hope their child was still alive would have said "is" or "should be" or "is supposed to". Not "was."

 

[MassGuy]

Especially since they are trying to make public the coroner's report, what's the difference with outing the "other woman"?

The autopsy report is directly related to these murders and is a matter of public record.

It’s wrong to out someone who as far as we know, isn’t involved in the crime.

At trial, she may be very important. But not here and now.

 

[idfinch]

Well I admit I wouldn't like it at all, if I were her, she's probably mortified, but as an intellectual exercise, I do wonder why it hasn't been outed yet with all the MSM poking around.

Thank you for saying this so much more clearly than I did. I wasn’t saying that she should be outed at all, just that I’m really shocked she hasn’t been by MSM!

 

[PommyMommy]

Well I admit I wouldn't like it at all, if I were her, she's probably mortified, but as an intellectual exercise, I do wonder why it hasn't been outed yet with all the MSM poking around.

Perhaps he/she has and we can't link it here per TOS. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that MSM has tried to contact him/her.

ETA: Did we ever learn if the co-worker was male or female? I can't remember...
MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

The autopsy report is directly related to these murders and is a matter of public record.

It’s wrong to out someone who as far as we know, isn’t involved in the crime.

At trial, she may be very important. But not here and now.

I see your point, but why put the name into the affidavit? Yes I know it's blackened out, but it was said that it wasn't blacked out right away. Anyway I'm not outing anyone, this is the only comment board I'm on. Except for mean political ones unrelated to murders, lol.

 

[UnicornShoe]

I’m quite surprised that MSM hasn’t named & done a story about this Andarko AP (from the affidavit) yet.

There is enough speculation and just enough facts floating around that you’d think it would have hit People, at least.

I think so too- unless LE knows she was there at the house that night, and that's why she's on the witness list. Based on everything we know of his personality and habits prior to the day/night of the murders, he seemed like the kind of guy that would be chivalrous, gallant, etc- like that was how he was raised to be, the southern gentleman, the kind that would take the blame for something to protect his woman. If AP was involved in the deaths of the girls, and he loves AP or AP is pregnant, I could see them agreeing that she would just say "yes, they were arguing and I left" - she would need to be a witness to testify, and so the courts would protect her identity.