Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[Best of What's Around]

I believe IMO moo moo that perhaps sw did suspect he was changing and mentioned he may be cheating but he has no game bc she may have felt irreplaceable, I think she perhaps felt superior to him and perhaps even that she molded him into what he was. She was in a dark place when he met him so perhaps she felt she would not have even been with him except she was not her usual self. She may have been impatient or sarcastic bc she really was happier on trips. Not saying , away from her kids. But merely she felt successful and beautiful and surrounded by people who wanted the high reaching goals she did. She spoke how he saved her, I think she felt that at the time.moo perhaps moo he grew tired but she thought the baby would change things, or NC would make him realize how much he would miss her. IMO she came home bc she wanted it to work. She wanted the house, husband family everything she was losing. Perhaps the reality that he was leaving her just overwhelmed her, because she never thought he would. I think they both were two individuals that never had homicidal thoughts or plans. IMO there was a very emotional converstation and this is a tragedy no one saw coming.

I am glad you used MOO throughout because I wholeheartedly disagree with most of it and all of it appears (IMO) to be pure speculation. The evidence so far supports CW as the sole murderer in the family. There is no evidence (other than the word of an admitted liar who has everything to lose by not lying) that SW killed her children IMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Would Nua text her that she made it home safe and wouldn't SW text back okay or something?

Since it was late.

NUA dropped her at the front door and watched as she went inside. Shanann turned and waved goodbye to her.

ETA: Oops, please disregard - obviously I read your post incorrectly!
MOO

 

[Seattle1]

I agree. I think he blew up at her as soon as she got in. She had her phone on her at all times. No way she left it on that sofa and went to bed. Then he realized he was going to be stuck with the kids that he resented so much. They would be the barrier to the new life he thought he would have with AP. IMO he thought about it for a while and then acted.

From the beginning, I couldn't imagine CW adding more work to his mission by letting SW upstairs where he'd have to carry her back down the stairs to load her in the truck. Still don't know what to think here...

 

[Tippy Lynn]

NUA dropped her at the front door and watched as she went inside. Shanann turned and waved goodbye to her.
MOO

Did NAU let SW know she got home safe?

 

[Mrspratcher]

I agree. If there’s a trial I personally don’t think the focus will be on the baby monitors or T-shirt.
jmo

I also agree with you. The focus will be what kind of person dumps his beautiful daughters in crude oil tanks; and pregnant wife in a shallow grave.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I also agree with you. The focus will be what kind of person dumps his beautiful daughters in crude oil tanks; and pregnant wife in a shallow grave.

I think the digital footprint will play a significant role.

ETA: I agree with you - that's a big one.

 

[DexterMorgan]

NUA dropped her at the front door and watched as she went inside. Shanann turned and waved goodbye to her.
MOO

I meant nua text SW that nua made it home safe.

 

[PommyMommy]

Did NAU let SW know she got home safe?

No idea.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

She must have hidden her phone in between the couch cushions to stop him from calling the police before she killed the kids. Hmmmmmm.

Don't we immediately charge our phones after a long day and soon to be a busy morning?

Wouldn't the phone be placed near the nightstand if they went to sleep prior to the emotional discussion?

So I truly think she had her phone in hand while sitting on the upstairs sofa before the ambush by him. Jmo

Or he hid the phone so she would not be able to get to it.

 

[PommyMommy]

I meant nua text SW that nua made it home safe.

I realize that now and edited my post, but you were too quick! Sorry about that. I have no idea if NUA texted SW to say she was home.
MOO

 

[Best of What's Around]

The forensic results could very well prove inconclusive here. It would be nice to have it, but his goose is likely cooked regardless.

CW has no known documented mental health issues. Many of these types of killers do not.

Yes, and I might add that IF the forensics prove inconclusive on the bodies it will be because CW tampered with said evidence and the bodies. How convenient!

 

[Best of What's Around]

I also agree with you. The focus will be what kind of person dumps his beautiful daughters in crude oil tanks; and pregnant wife in a shallow grave.

Agreed. The same kind of person who conducts 3 media interviews to lead the world on a wild goose chase, shows no signs of devastation during those, and texts his dead wife within hours of dumping her body all in cover up. What kind of person? A murderer of his entire family IMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

How do we know for sure when he deleted his account? Do you have a specific date?
TIA

No , I remember we were asking questions to figure out exactly when he did and all I remember was it was a short time before he went to NC. , or right around that time. It was about ten threads ago. But there was no specific date.

 

[Seattle1]

I agree. I don't think he just decided to "tell the truth" after a heartfelt conversation with Dad. That new story was carefully crafted to shift the entire blame from him.
Dad is apparently not LE or a lawyer, so IMO it was obvious some other adviser had been sought. It just sounds too "defense attorney" not to have been. Seeing how c lueless he was during those press interviews, then for him to have thought up this defense strategy on his own just doesn't wash. IMO.

If I was sitting in a police station while my child was being questioned for allegedly murdering his entire family, I would probably be phoning defense lawyers for both my own peace of mind, as well as for my child's defense. I can't imagine the pain for both families when reality sunk in. Such an unnecessary tragedy.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, and I might add that IF the forensics prove inconclusive on the bodies it will be because CW tampered with said evidence and the bodies. How convenient!

Yup. Oil and the passage of time, can’t be a benefit to the preservation of forensic evidence.

I’m still holding out hope they find something useful in that regard, but we’ll see.

“I’m telling the truth, but I can’t prove it because I destroyed the proof,” isn’t a good defense.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I realize that now and edited my post, but you were too quick! Sorry about that. I have no idea if NUA texted SW to say she was home.
MOO

Well if so and sw didn't reply back. Then it opens up a time frame of when her phone was nolonger accessible to her.

 

[PommyMommy]

Well if so and sw didn't reply back. Then it opens up a time frame of when her phone was nolonger accessible to her.

It sure does. I wish we knew.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Where was it reported that either had mental health issues?

It never was, to my knowledge. But I brought up the possibility of CW having a psychological evaluation, as part of the trial. Maybe that's where it came from. I had asked a question as to what the possibility is that there would be one and if the lawyers had to request it, or what situation would be typical in which they would order it, but I don't think anyone has answered yet. I am very curious to know.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

If he wanted a separation, why did he continue to have sex with her? Why did he impregnate her? Why did he make the trip to North Carolina to be with her?

Because he wanted to have his cake and eat it too?

 

[Gardener1850]

Well if so and sw didn't reply back. Then it opens up a time frame of when her phone was nolonger accessible to her.

Good point! And if SW didn't respond that night NUA might have reasonably assumed that SW was already fast asleep. But SW's not responding in the morning and not sending her the usual "Good Morning" text would have been the first red flag to NUA that something was wrong. SW missing the ultrasound appointment and lunch became an avalanche of red flags spurring our heroine NUA to action. She went to the house, called CW and called police in pretty short order. So glad she did! This is one reason I'm not so sure CW hid the phone that night. If he knew where it was and had access to it he could have texted NUA back to throw off suspicion for a few extra hours. But he didn't do that. He seemed oblivious to SW's routine of texting her friend every morning. Or he just didn't think about it. Or he couldn't find the phone. MOO.