Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[nwmouse]

Regarding the BBM. Didn't I read that CW had a gym membership? Or am I confusing this with another case? I was thinking that towels with CW's DNA could have come from the gym. If a man wanted to claim an affair or (blackmail him) it would not be too hard to watch CW and pick up his sweaty towel from the locker room. Or find a way into his gym locker and get his towel out. Or perhaps when CW was going to the gym was when he was seeing his APs and that is where the towel came from (AP might have kept it in his locker for some reason?). It could go either way IMO as far as the towel verifying the affair. At this point, I still need to see additional evidence like texts or witnesses who saw them together before I believe it. MOO.

That's a great observation. I never thought of the DNA coming from a gym towel!
MOO

 

[pocketaccent]

Thank you for bringing up that fact that Bella was going to start kindergarten that day. I think it would have raised more red flags immediately if she had started school and then just stopped rather than not starting at all, so that could help explain the timing of their murders.

The gender reveal party was also going to be that Saturday, so it could also have been a reason for the timing. Unlike baby showers, gender reveal parties are for both men and women to attend and SW would have certainly taken many videos of the event.

My theory is that CW told his AP that he had already started the process of separating from his wife and that the baby wasn't even his. Once the AP saw the gender reveal party videos with CW playing his role as happy husband and doting dad, the jig would have been up. MOO

I think Bella was supposed to start school on Aug 20 (murder day is Aug 13).

If Aug 13 is true, then CW would have said (media interviews) that SW was planning to take Bella to school.

Instead he said SW was planning to take the children to a vague friend's house.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Idk if this is relevant but it might be. The public school near their house has a start date of Wed Aug 15th. I don't know if BW kindergarten was public, private, charter, or another accredited hybrid. This might tie into him saying register BW on Monday and start on Wed. MIGHT NOT. Doesn't matter, those 4 angels are gone.

I have looked up several listings of school (public and private) start times in both the Erie and Frederick area. All of the schools went back that week (not the following week) with start dates ranging from Monday the 13th to Wednesday the 15th and Kindergarten start times for some schools differed from the higher grades in all of the elementary schools that contained upper elementary grades. Meet times for those schools also varied, but also occurred within that week. None of the schools I looked at started on Monday, the 20th or on any day during that week.

Since I can't pinpoint what school she went to (but the poster here said that it was private because she was only 4 and did not fit the age requirements for public school) it is likely that she would have have started sometime that week at one of the very few private schools there are in the district. It is highly possible that Monday was not the exact first day of school (and the police report just said that they left "before school time") but ALL of the schools started before the Monday, August 20th start date that CW claimed was the day that Bella was supposed to begin.

I live on the East Coast and school never starts before Labor Day in NYC, but it is not uncommon for school start times to vary per grade and school on different days throughout the week and of course, never on Monday.

 

[tmar]

Yes, and I would add in the texting/calling of his dead wife BEFORE NAU showed up, per his media interviews. The reason I find this particularly important is because some (not me) could say he was scared and panicked - that is why he immediately hid the bodies and did not set the stage at home. Calling/texting your dead wife within a couple hours of this shows a pretty detailed plan being followed IMO. Cold and calculated with reason. Not just trying to do the bare minimum to CYA because you are in shock or panic or whatever they will try to argue on the defense. I find it chilling and telling that he did this o quickly and even BEFORE anyone had any reason to come knocking on the door like NAU. So very proactive IMO.

He has been shown to be cold and calculating, and I agree, this shows up in texting his wife, before any suspicion is raised.
He has had this all planned.
I also think, he murdered the girls after the birthday party.
They were probably bagged, before SW came home.
He probably overpowered, and murdered SW, when she arrived home.
He may have struck her, as autopsy may show.
MOO.
In this way, SW would not know her kids were murdered, as letting SW see her dead children, is unthinkable.
She would also be screaming, and we have not heard this.
Surely, he can't be so evil.

 

[Jennifer17]

I think Bella was supposed to start school on Aug 20 (murder day is Aug 13).

If Aug 13 is true, then CW would have said (media interviews) that SW was planning to take Bella to school.

Instead he said SW was planning to take the children to a vague friend's house.

But that would not fit in with his plan that they had been either abducted or run off. I bet his mind was going a hundred miles and hour on that trip home to meet NUA and LE!

 

[Jennifer17]

He has been shown to be cold and calculating, and I agree, this shows up in texting his wife, before any suspicion is raised.
He has had this all planned.
I also think, he murdered the girls after the birthday party.
They were probably bagged, before SW came home.
He probably overpowered, and murdered SW, when she arrived home.
He may have struck her, as autopsy may show.
MOO.
In this way, SW would not know her kids were murdered, as letting SW see her dead children, is unthinkable.
She would also be screaming, and we have not heard this.
Surely, he can't be so evil.

I don't know whether he killed the girls first, but I do not believe that he would let her see them dead.
He is a coward and I think that he killed them because he could not have the confrontational discussion with her about separating or having an affair.

 

[ZsaZsa]

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IIRC AB said they spent two days verifying his claims before airing the call...

 

[Thepoet]

He has been shown to be cold and calculating, and I agree, this shows up in texting his wife, before any suspicion is raised.
He has had this all planned.
I also think, he murdered the girls after the birthday party.
They were probably bagged, before SW came home.
He probably overpowered, and murdered SW, when she arrived home.
He may have struck her, as autopsy may show.
MOO.
In this way, SW would not know her kids were murdered, as letting SW see her dead children, is unthinkable.
She would also be screaming, and we have not heard this.
Surely, he can't be so evil.

I believe she may have screamed, or more likely wailed, like a wounded animal and the neighbor heard it. I believe studies have shown people normally need to hear something more than once, or for a long time, before they react. Later the dog did howl and the neighbors than believed it was all the dog.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you for bringing up that fact that Bella was going to start kindergarten that day. I think it would have raised more red flags immediately if she had started school and then just stopped rather than not starting at all, so that could help explain the timing of their murders.

The gender reveal party was also going to be that Saturday, so it could also have been a reason for the timing. Unlike baby showers, gender reveal parties are for both men and women to attend and SW would have certainly taken many videos of the event.

My theory is that CW told his AP that he had already started the process of separating from his wife and that the baby wasn't even his. Once the AP saw the gender reveal party videos with CW playing his role as happy husband and doting dad, the jig would have been up. MOO

Good post. It reminded me of Jon Buhler's (a detective on the Scott Peterson case) comments from a month or so ago:

"It does start to explain the incredible difference in between the emotions we would expect of a father grieving their children, and a guy like this that likely killed them. It seems like he was probably so far distant from this relationship and being a father, struggling with internal turmoil on where he wants to go..."

"I think he probably checked out of being a father a long time before this crime actually occurred, which explains why he is really not affected by it, comparing his reaction of course to Shanann's father and her brother in the courtroom."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=317696292143783

 

[WildWest]

I have looked up several listings of school (public and private) start times in both the Erie and Frederick area. All of the schools went back that week (not the following week) with start dates ranging from Monday the 13th to Wednesday the 15th and Kindergarten start times for some schools differed from the higher grades in all of the elementary schools that contained upper elementary grades. Meet times for those schools also varied, but also occurred within that week.

Since I can't pinpoint what school she went to (but the poster here said that it was private because she was only 4 and did not fit the age requirements for public school) it is likely that she would have have started sometime that week at one of the very few private schools there are in the district. It is highly possible that Monday was not the exact first day of school (and the police report just said that they left "before school time") but ALL of the schools started before the Monday start date that CW claimed was the day that Bella was supposed to begin.

No doubt, whatever he said or bumbled is fishy. Your post just spurred a thought, the last round of political ads there was a man campaigning that day care was too costly and vote for him because he will make kindergarten a full day instead 1/2 days (polis I think), even more questions in my mind now includes 1/2 day kindergarten.

 

[UnicornShoe]

If it was premeditated, then he would have killed SW as soon as he could. It could be he waited until she fell asleep.I would imagine it would be quickly as traveling is tiring . I don’t think she could sleep on the plane nor in the airport waiting area. Perhaps she belonged to a VIP lounge or purchased access while she was stuck there? Then she could get some rest.

Anyway, I think if it was premeditated, he would have some plans even though they had to be changed when the three hour delay happened. However, I do not think he would be driving earlier even if there was not the delay.

If it was premeditated, what did he do between two and five AM? Certainly no taking care of business.

The thing is- if it was premeditated, then why did he fail to think about all of the things that gave him away?

- inadequate burial spot/plans/way to hide the bodies (shallow grave for one, tanks for the other two, tanks that would at some point be checked, especially since they were on his actual job, which LE would automatically check first)

- evidence left helterskelter- a sheet at the burial site, a bag at the burial site, her cell phone and other belongings and kids carseats, her car, EVERYTHING left inside their locked, videoed home.

- zero alibi

- no stage set/scene set up- if he had preplanned it, he would have had an actual plan, one that explained her absence, the girls' absences, one that left room open for them leaving voluntarily or being killed due to something else. Gas leak in the house, boat capsized and they drowned, fire, something. Not kill them, hide them, go to work and try to pretend it never happened.

- didn't call and re-arrange her medical appointment. Didn't use her phone to pretend to be her to throw her off (the whole discovery could have been avoided if CW had used SW's phone to text her friends/coworkers back, something simple like "I'm exhausted from all the travel, and need to rest this morning, will get back online in the morning, carry on without me! thanks dears!")

I personally don't think his daughter going to school was a factor at all. Why would it be? If you're hardcore evil enough to slaughter your whole family, why would it matter if it happened on a Sunday night before the first day of school or a Thursday night midway through the second semester?

I think whatever went down, whoever did what, it happened spontaneously, in the heat of the moment.

 

[Jennifer17]

Good post. It reminded me of Jon Buhler's (a detective on the Scott Peterson case) comments from a month or so ago:

"It does start to explain the incredible difference in between the emotions we would expect of a father grieving their children, and a guy like this that likely killed them. It seems like he was probably so far distant from this relationship and being a father, struggling with internal turmoil on where he wants to go..."

"I think he probably checked out of being a father a long time before this crime actually occurred, which explains why he is really not affected by it, comparing his reaction of course to Shanann's father and her brother in the courtroom."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=317696292143783

Yes, I believe that they were just unwanted objects to him and he could hardly contain his delight at being rid of the lot of them.

 

[Gardener1850]

Yes, and I would add in the texting/calling of his dead wife BEFORE NAU showed up, per his media interviews. The reason I find this particularly important is because some (not me) could say he was scared and panicked - that is why he immediately hid the bodies and did not set the stage at home. Calling/texting your dead wife within a couple hours of this shows a pretty detailed plan being followed IMO. Cold and calculated with reason. Not just trying to do the bare minimum to CYA because you are in shock or panic or whatever they will try to argue on the defense. I find it chilling and telling that he did this so quickly and even BEFORE anyone had any reason to come knocking on the door like NAU. So very proactive IMO.

Do we know for a fact that he texted SW's phone before NAU called him? What if he only SAID he texted her to make himself sound like a good hubby? I really wonder if he went to work and forgot all about his family he had just coldly disposed of... Until NAU's call brought him back to reality and he realized he needed to make it look like he was also concerned. I would not be surprised if he only texted her after NAU's call. MOO. The phone records will be very telling.

 

[Serena Angelique]

No doubt, whatever he said or bumbled is fishy. Your post just spurred a thought, the last round of political ads there was a man campaigning that day care was too costly and vote for him because he will make kindergarten a full day instead 1/2 days (polis I think), even more questions in my mind now includes 1/2 day kindergarten.

I noted that some of the kindergartens had half day sessions (morning and afternoon) which is different from where I live, where Kindergarten goes for a full day. It's interesting to see how things differ from state to state re: this, but safe to say, no schools started on Monday the 20th that I could find for any session but it's amazing to me that CW wouldn't consider this before he went on TV to make a statement like that. He's as sloppy as they come.

 

[MassGuy]

The thing is- if it was premeditated, then why did he fail to think about all of the things that gave him away?

- inadequate burial spot/plans/way to hide the bodies (shallow grave for one, tanks for the other two, tanks that would at some point be checked, especially since they were on his actual job, which LE would automatically check first)

- evidence left helterskelter- a sheet at the burial site, a bag at the burial site, her cell phone and other belongings and kids carseats, her car, EVERYTHING left inside their locked, videoed home.

- zero alibi

- no stage set/scene set up- if he had preplanned it, he would have had an actual plan, one that explained her absence, the girls' absences, one that left room open for them leaving voluntarily or being killed due to something else. Gas leak in the house, boat capsized and they drowned, fire, something. Not kill them, hide them, go to work and try to pretend it never happened.

- didn't call and re-arrange her medical appointment. Didn't use her phone to pretend to be her to throw her off (the whole discovery could have been avoided if CW had used SW's phone to text her friends/coworkers back, something simple like "I'm exhausted from all the travel, and need to rest this morning, will get back online in the morning, carry on without me! thanks dears!")

I personally don't think his daughter going to school was a factor at all. Why would it be? If you're hardcore evil enough to slaughter your whole family, why would it matter if it happened on a Sunday night before the first day of school or a Thursday night midway through the second semester?

I think whatever went down, whoever did what, it happened spontaneously, in the heat of the moment.

One possibility is that this was a bit of a mix. He had thought about the dumpsite and murder at a previous time, but hadn’t planned to commit the crime on a specific day.

The night in question, he and Shanann had a verbal altercation, one that escalated to mass murder.

At this point, he simply went through the “rough draft” of what he had previously pictured in his mind.

 

[rainynights]

If it was premeditated, then he would have killed SW as soon as he could. It could be he waited until she fell asleep.I would imagine it would be quickly as traveling is tiring . I don’t think she could sleep on the plane nor in the airport waiting area. Perhaps she belonged to a VIP lounge or purchased access while she was stuck there? Then she could get some rest.

Anyway, I think if it was premeditated, he would have some plans even though they had to be changed when the three hour delay happened. However, I do not think he would be driving earlier even if there was not the delay.

If it was premeditated, what did he do between two and five AM? Certainly no taking care of business.

Maybe it’s not so far fetched to think CW could have originally planned to drive somewhere earlier in the night, had she arrived on time. Do we know for sure that CW was aware of neighbor’s cameras? If he wasn’t, he might have thought his neighbors wouldn’t necessarily find it suspicious if he left the house around midnight. Seemed like a quiet neighborhood, and I’d imagine it’d be even more quiet at night, in the dark, with many asleep.

I’m starting to think it wasn’t originally planned to hide SW’s body at the oil tank site. The girls, yes, but I don’t know about the burial being planned. Had SW arrived in time, I wonder if he pre-planned a spot to hide her body, or some way to dispose her body, under the expectation that she would be arriving home around a certain time (e.g., around 10 or 11pm).

That might better explain what he was doing between 2 and 5am. I believe SW was killed pretty quickly, sometime between 2am-4am. Maybe it's as simple as CW spending an hour or two researching a back-up plan on Google due to her late arrival. Those internet search histories will be enlightening. Jmo

 

[Amandaaa]

http://coloradofoic.org/files/2018/10/WattsMotionSignedFiled-002.pdf

Motion filed on behalf of media re: autopsy report

 

[Jennifer17]

I noted that some of the kindergartens had half day sessions (morning and afternoon) which is different from where I live, where Kindergarten goes for a full day. It's interesting to see how things differ from state to state re: this, but safe to say, no schools started on Monday the 20th that I could find for any session but it's amazing to me that CW wouldn't consider this before he went on TV to make a statement like that. He's as sloppy as they come.

I think that that is more proof that he had checked out of the job of being a husband and father. He may have a vague recollection of SW telling him something like that but he wasn't interested enough to remember the date.

 

[Serena Angelique]

I don't know whether he killed the girls first, but I do not believe that he would let her see them dead.
He is a coward and I think that he killed them because he could not have the confrontational discussion with her about separating or having an affair.

I tend to agree with you. The confrontation and blow up about the separation doesn't seem plausible to me, nor does having a mistress there to stir the pot, or any other thing that may have caused heated emotions. I think he wanted the least amount of drama as possible, and getting her angry was the last thing he wanted to do.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Regarding the BBM. Didn't I read that CW had a gym membership? Or am I confusing this with another case? I was thinking that towels with CW's DNA could have come from the gym. If a man wanted to claim an affair or (blackmail him) it would not be too hard to watch CW and pick up his sweaty towel from the locker room. Or find a way into his gym locker and get his towel out. Or perhaps when CW was going to the gym was when he was seeing his APs and that is where the towel came from (AP might have kept it in his locker for some reason?). It could go either way IMO as far as the towel verifying the affair. At this point, I still need to see additional evidence like texts or witnesses who saw them together before I believe it. MOO.

I think there is truth in what the alleged gay AP is claiming. Just because why would anyone in their right mind want to be known to be associated with a murderer/ family inhalator ? Especially knowing all the negative attention he would get from people for having an affair with a married man who killed his family? IMO nobody in their right mind would make something like that up, I believe him and I think he is brave for admitting to it.