Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[MKZoo]

I think Bella was supposed to start school on Aug 20 (murder day is Aug 13).

If Aug 13 is true, then CW would have said (media interviews) that SW was planning to take Bella to school.

Instead he said SW was planning to take the children to a vague friend's house.

Also, if that same Monday (Aug 13) was the back to school day, wouldn’t the school have raised additional alarms when Bella failed to appear? They would have been calling both parents to figure out what was going on. I don’t think that happened. Jmo.

 

[Steelhead]

IIRC, according to the alleged GL, he and CW’s affair ended in April. Yet, SW didn't find out about it until 2-3 months later, on July 4th. She was in NC on July 4th. How the heck did she find out about it?
Apologies if this has been discussed.

 

[MassGuy]

I think there is truth in what the alleged gay AP is claiming. Just because why would anyone in their right mind want to be known to be associated with a murderer/ family inhalator ? Especially knowing all the negative attention he would get from people for having an affair with a married man who killed his family? IMO nobody in their right mind would make something like that up, I believe him and I think he is brave for admitting to it.

I’m not sure if he’s legit or not, but I somewhat disagree with your logic here.

In high profile crimes like this, we see all sorts of bizarre behavior from members of the public. False confessions, prank calls, and other things, that are cries for attention.

Some people want fame, and they don’t care how they get it.

 

[pocketaccent]

Also, if that same Monday (Aug 13) was the back to school day, wouldn’t the school have raised additional alarms when Bella failed to appear? They would have been calling both parents to figure out what was going on. I don’t think that happened. Jmo.

Agreed 100%.

 

[rainynights]

I think that that is more proof that he had checked out of the job of being a husband and father. He may have a vague recollection of SW telling him something like that but he wasn't interested enough to remember the date.

Such a good point. The way you outline that is the exact reason I don't find it hard to believe that CW likely didn't factor in SW's doctor appointment that she had scheduled for 10am that Monday. SW might have told him about it, but IMO, I believe it's more likely that it didn't register in his mind due to being "checked out" from being a father and a husband. Jmo

 

[Thepoet]

The thing is- if it was premeditated, then why did he fail to think about all of the things that gave him away?

- inadequate burial spot/plans/way to hide the bodies (shallow grave for one, tanks for the other two, tanks that would at some point be checked, especially since they were on his actual job, which LE would automatically check first)

- evidence left helterskelter- a sheet at the burial site, a bag at the burial site, her cell phone and other belongings and kids carseats, her car, EVERYTHING left inside their locked, videoed home.

- zero alibi

- no stage set/scene set up- if he had preplanned it, he would have had an actual plan, one that explained her absence, the girls' absences, one that left room open for them leaving voluntarily or being killed due to something else. Gas leak in the house, boat capsized and they drowned, fire, something. Not kill them, hide them, go to work and try to pretend it never happened.

- didn't call and re-arrange her medical appointment. Didn't use her phone to pretend to be her to throw her off (the whole discovery could have been avoided if CW had used SW's phone to text her friends/coworkers back, something simple like "I'm exhausted from all the travel, and need to rest this morning, will get back online in the morning, carry on without me! thanks dears!")

I personally don't think his daughter going to school was a factor at all. Why would it be? If you're hardcore evil enough to slaughter your whole family, why would it matter if it happened on a Sunday night before the first day of school or a Thursday night midway through the second semester?

I think whatever went down, whoever did what, it happened spontaneously, in the heat of the moment.

It's been discussed before, there is a subtle pattern of planning, not chaos. He was thrown off first, by the plane being three hours late and later by NUA showing up and the bringing in LE. He was forced into changing his plans on the run. He lost the opportunity for a good clean up (thanks to NUA). What he had planned probably looked very good in his mind and he probably thought he was setting a believable scene. He did chose a hiding spot that might take months to be discovered, or longer. He may not have been able to get SW up or in and planned to come back (foiled by NUA). Separate tanks was probably to avoid setting off sensors. He did call and text SW after he knew she was dead. There were markers of when he began to plan, like closing his FB page and triggers that moved him along (see my post on page 1 of this thread).
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[Best of What's Around]

The thing is- if it was premeditated, then why did he fail to think about all of the things that gave him away?

- inadequate burial spot/plans/way to hide the bodies (shallow grave for one, tanks for the other two, tanks that would at some point be checked, especially since they were on his actual job, which LE would automatically check first)

- evidence left helterskelter- a sheet at the burial site, a bag at the burial site, her cell phone and other belongings and kids carseats, her car, EVERYTHING left inside their locked, videoed home.

- zero alibi

- no stage set/scene set up- if he had preplanned it, he would have had an actual plan, one that explained her absence, the girls' absences, one that left room open for them leaving voluntarily or being killed due to something else. Gas leak in the house, boat capsized and they drowned, fire, something. Not kill them, hide them, go to work and try to pretend it never happened.

- didn't call and re-arrange her medical appointment. Didn't use her phone to pretend to be her to throw her off (the whole discovery could have been avoided if CW had used SW's phone to text her friends/coworkers back, something simple like "I'm exhausted from all the travel, and need to rest this morning, will get back online in the morning, carry on without me! thanks dears!")

I personally don't think his daughter going to school was a factor at all. Why would it be? If you're hardcore evil enough to slaughter your whole family, why would it matter if it happened on a Sunday night before the first day of school or a Thursday night midway through the second semester?

I think whatever went down, whoever did what, it happened spontaneously, in the heat of the moment.

I think the thing is that criminals are often not that smart about planning and mistakes are made they do not foresee, especially in the heat of the moment. This is not something he had ever done before. Also, premeditation does not mean it had to have been planned for a long period of time at all nor well thought out. I thought the tanks were a good idea as far as hiding. He likely did not think ahead of time that a burial site would be so obviously noticeable. Leaving things at the oil tank site I believe were heat of the moment mistakes. He also may have thought he could go back later that day. Medical appointment, like the day school starts, he likely was not paying attention if he was told when it was, IMO. For when school was starting, studies do show that many FA murders are committed in August. He likely thought he had at least one day to set up the scene and to hold off people being too curious. IMO.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

I think Bella was supposed to start school on Aug 20 (murder day is Aug 13).

If Aug 13 is true, then CW would have said (media interviews) that SW was planning to take Bella to school.

Instead he said SW was planning to take the children to a vague friend's house.

Well in either case, CW probably wouldn't have wanted Bella to have already started kindergarten and then just not show up, which would have raised more red flags immediately.

We really don't know when he was originally planning to alert LE of their disappearance. He could have even waited a couple days to do so. My guess is that he was planning to drive her car out the garage in darkness, so no one could see who the driver was, abandon it somewhere and then report them missing later.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Do we know for a fact that he texted SW's phone before NAU called him? What if he only SAID he texted her to make himself sound like a good hubby? I really wonder if he went to work and forgot all about his family he had just coldly disposed of... Until NAU's call brought him back to reality and he realized he needed to make it look like he was also concerned. I would not be surprised if he only texted her after NAU's call. MOO. The phone records will be very telling.

You are right we only have his word at this point. I am inclined to believe him only because it is something that would have been easily checked by LE, likely before he even gave these interviews. But yes, we do not know for certain.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Also, if that same Monday (Aug 13) was the back to school day, wouldn’t the school have raised additional alarms when Bella failed to appear? They would have been calling both parents to figure out what was going on. I don’t think that happened. Jmo.

It may not have been that Monday, but it wasn't the following Monday at any school in their area. It may have been on a different day later that week, as I clarified in an earlier post, but no--not necessarily would the school be alerted and inquire over a child not coming on the first day. At least not in my experience as a parent at the beginning of the school year, as some parents are away on vacation, etc....and lots of kids start school later than the actual start date. I wouldn't doubt there are more parents that may do this when the start date is still in the midst of August. Once they start and are officially enrolled in their classrooms however, it's another story, and then they do alert parents when the kids are absent. Maybe CW never wanted her to start for this reason, but maybe not.

I don't think CW knew what date they were supposed to start though, or he wouldn't have cited a day when no schools in that area started....and it may not have factored into his head at all, and he was just trying to come up with something to tell the reporter as I seem to recall the only reason he referred to it was the reporter asked him if they were starting school.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I’m not sure if he’s legit or not, but I somewhat disagree with your logic here.

In high profile crimes like this, we see all sorts of bizarre behavior from members of the public. False confessions, prank calls, and other things, that are cries for attention.

Some people want fame, and they don’t care how they get it.

Well if that is the case then I’d say he can’t be right in the head, there are some peculiar people around...

 

[Thepoet]

I think the thing is that criminals are often not that smart about planning and mistakes are made they do not foresee, especially in the heat of the moment. This is not something he had ever done before. Also, premeditation does not mean it had to have been planned for a long period of time at all nor well thought out. I thought the tanks were a good idea as far as hiding. He likely did not think ahead of time that a burial site would be so obviously noticeable. Leaving things at the oil tank site I believe were heat of the moment mistakes. He also may have thought he could go back later that day. Medical appointment, like the day school starts, he likely was not paying attention if he was told when it was, IMO. For when school was starting, studies do show that many FA murders are committed in August. He likely thought he had at least one day to set up the scene and to hold off people being too curious. IMO.

Didn't the Menendez Brothers think they had a perfect plan?

 

[PommyMommy]

I’m not sure if he’s legit or not, but I somewhat disagree with your logic here.

In high profile crimes like this, we see all sorts of bizarre behavior from members of the public. False confessions, prank calls, and other things, that are cries for attention.

Some people want fame, and they don’t care how the get it.

Bizarre behavior may even be an understatement. We have seen fake accounts, YouTube channels with inflammatory video titles, FB groups with theories based on psychic predictions or run by someone famous for filing frivolous lawsuits. And the sad thing is, people don't research or consider what is actual fact; they just run with it. Thank goodness we have Websleuths!
MOO

 

[AbbyG]

I think there is truth in what the alleged gay AP is claiming. Just because why would anyone in their right mind want to be known to be associated with a murderer/ family inhalator ? Especially knowing all the negative attention he would get from people for having an affair with a married man who killed his family? IMO nobody in their right mind would make something like that up, I believe him and I think he is brave for admitting to it.

I think the key there is "why would anyone in their right mind" etc. That fellow did not seem to be in his right mind.

 

[Kensie]

IIRC, according to the alleged GL, he and CW’s affair ended in April. Yet, SW didn't find out about it until 2-3 months later, on July 4th. She was in NC on July 4th. How the heck did she find out about it?
Apologies if this has been discussed.

Good question.

 

[katydid23]

I believe this too. I think they were going strong. And I’m surprised he felt like he could hide the affair from LE considering it was a co-worker. I’m not sure any attempt was made to hide it all that well.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by the lies & shoddy coverup but it’s continually baffling to me.

ALL JMO

I am surprised that he even wanted to hide it. It seems like it helps his version of the story more, to admit he had a girlfriend, and that's why his wife left abruptly and took the kids.

And if he was going to try and sell the 'she killed them' story, his having an affair is necessary to that story too.

So I am not sure why he tried so hard to cover that up. Especially since it would be so easy for them to uncover.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

http://coloradofoic.org/files/2018/10/WattsMotionSignedFiled-002.pdf

Motion filed on behalf of media re: autopsy report

This states WCCO (Weld County Coroners Office) is the custodian of all 3 autopsy reports.
Thanks for posting this.

 

[Amandaaa]

This states WCCO (Weld County Coroners Office) is the custodian of all 3 autopsy reports.
Thanks for posting this.

Well, that’s their *argument* - we will see how that plays out.

I’m very interested in their argument that the criminal trial court lacks subject matter jurisdiction. I will be watching that one!

 

[Jennifer17]

I am surprised that he even wanted to hide it. It seems like it helps his version of the story more, to admit he had a girlfriend, and that's why his wife left abruptly and took the kids.

And if he was going to try and sell the 'she killed them' story, his having an affair is necessary to that story too.

So I am not sure why he tried so hard to cover that up. Especially since it would be so easy for them to uncover.

I don't think that he had come up with the SW killed them theory at that stage.

 

[Gardener1850]

I think there is truth in what the alleged gay AP is claiming. Just because why would anyone in their right mind want to be known to be associated with a murderer/ family inhalator ? Especially knowing all the negative attention he would get from people for having an affair with a married man who killed his family? IMO nobody in their right mind would make something like that up, I believe him and I think he is brave for admitting to it.

IDK, why do some people write SK's on death row love letters? There are lots of crazy people in this world! MOO. I won't be surprised either way-- if he is telling the truth or just looking for attention. I just want to see more concrete info first (and to see CW's face when this alleged AP takes the stand would be priceless ).
MOO