Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[Mellowmelly]

I think the key there is "why would anyone in their right mind" etc. That fellow did not seem to be in his right mind.

Has he spoken publicly ? I havnt seen a picture or interview of him. I just thought it must be true because why would anyone make something like that up ? It seems there are many that do then.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Well, that’s their *argument* - we will see how that plays out.

I’m very interested in their argument that the criminal trial court lacks subject matter jurisdiction. I will be watching that one!

I have a hard time understanding all the legal documents. I'm glad you're here to help explain them and the process. Thanks.

 

[NuttMegg]

IDK, why do some people write SK's on death row love letters? There are lots of crazy people in this world! MOO. I won't be surprised either way-- if he is telling the truth or just looking for attention. I just want to see more concrete info first (and to see CW's face when this alleged AP takes the stand would be priceless ).
MOO

The look on EVERYONE's face would be priceless.

 

[kizzykat]

Well in either case, CW probably wouldn't have wanted Bella to have already started kindergarten and then just not show up, which would have raised more red flags immediately.

We really don't know when he was originally planning to alert LE of their disappearance. He could have even waited a couple days to do so. My guess is that he was planning to drive her car out the garage in darkness, so no one could see who the driver was, abandon it somewhere and then report them missing later.

BBM
I was thinking about that scenario awhile back. It would've taken some of the heat and focus off him, initially anyway. The only thing is, once he ditched SW's car how would he get back home? Hitchhike? Walk? Uber? Those options all risk being seen and/or remembered. Or he had help. Which I can't quite wrap my brain around. So I guess I'm kind of stumped on that scenario.

 

[Mellowmelly]

IDK, why do some people write SK's on death row love letters? There are lots of crazy people in this world! MOO. I won't be surprised either way-- if he is telling the truth or just looking for attention. I just want to see more concrete info first (and to see CW's face when this alleged AP takes the stand would be priceless ).
MOO

Yes it would be to see him squirming, I hope if there’s a trial it will be shown on camera. It would be good if they filmed trials in the UK.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

I believe CW knew beforehand about the neighbor's camera and factored it into his original plan. If CW was planning to abandon her car somewhere later, he could have used some unregistered beater car he already had in place to drive himself home and come in through the backyard.

The neighbor's camera wouldn't have shown who the driver of SW's car was in darkness and wouldn't have picked up his return through the backyard either. The camera would have actually backed up his story about just leaving for work and coming home in his truck at the usual times. MOO

 

[Best of What's Around]

I am surprised that he even wanted to hide it. It seems like it helps his version of the story more, to admit he had a girlfriend, and that's why his wife left abruptly and took the kids.

And if he was going to try and sell the 'she killed them' story, his having an affair is necessary to that story too.

So I am not sure why he tried so hard to cover that up. Especially since it would be so easy for them to uncover.

I think one of the things we know for sure is that CW overestimated his own abilities (and underestimated those of the LE). I will never understand how he thought it was a good idea to do 3 media interviews, when under pressure, he could have simply read a statement to the media and not taken questions. I believe he felt he had a long history of being able to lie well. But he did not discount the fact that previous lies were never under the scrutiny they would be under in a situation like this. Re the affair, he might have thought the AP would keep quiet and that other people at work didn't notice (they did IMO). I think he was so very used to being seen as such a good guy with nothing to hide in his life by others that he erroneously was overconfident and thought it would carry him through this situation. IMO

 

[Gardener1850]

Also, if that same Monday (Aug 13) was the back to school day, wouldn’t the school have raised additional alarms when Bella failed to appear? They would have been calling both parents to figure out what was going on. I don’t think that happened. Jmo.

I have been thinking this same thing for a while. Why didn't the school call? Or did they? If the girls were not going to school that day, where were they supposed to be during SW's ultrasound appointment and lunch with NUA? Is it possible that Bella was going to start a half-day kindergarten program in the afternoon instead of the morning? In which case, by the time the school would have noticed she wasn't there and called, the alarm had already been raised by NUA and police were at the house. It's curious that we have not heard from their teachers or school admins who would have made such a call/noticed their absence. MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

I think one of the things we know for sure is that CW overestimated his own abilities (and underestimated those of the LE). I will never understand how he thought it was a good idea to do 3 media interviews, when under pressure, he could have simply read a statement to the media and not taken questions. I believe he felt he had a long history of being able to lie well. But he did not discount the fact that previous lies were never under the scrutiny they would be under in a situation like this. Re the affair, he might have thought the AP would keep quiet and that other people at work didn't notice (they did IMO). I think he was so very used to being seen as such a good guy with nothing to hide in his life by others that he erroneously was overconfident and thought it would carry him through this situation. IMO

These guys tend to be self centered and arrogant. They lack self awareness, in that they cannot see themselves as other people see them.

This has hurt him already, and will likely prove devastating in the courtroom.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I think one of the things we know for sure is that CW overestimated his own abilities (and underestimated those of the LE). I will never understand how he thought it was a good idea to do 3 media interviews, when under pressure, he could have simply read a statement to the media and not taken questions. I believe he felt he had a long history of being able to lie well. But he did not discount the fact that previous lies were never under the scrutiny they would be under in a situation like this. Re the affair, he might have thought the AP would keep quiet and that other people at work didn't notice (they did IMO). I think he was so very used to being seen as such a good guy with nothing to hide in his life by others that he erroneously was overconfident and thought it would carry him through this situation. IMO

I agree, I think he sealed his fate with those interviews, I bet he is kicking himself now.

 

[Best of What's Around]

BBM
I was thinking about that scenario awhile back. It would've taken some of the heat and focus off him, initially anyway. The only thing is, once he ditched SW's car how would he get back home? Hitchhike? Walk? Uber? Those options all risk being seen and/or remembered. Or he had help. Which I can't quite wrap my brain around. So I guess I'm kind of stumped on that scenario.

I agree that this scenario would make the most sense for taking the heat off of the house and his workplace. It moves the crime to somewhere else. It would also make sense as to why he did not grab any of her items (that we know of) to dump at the oil tank site. We do know he could run several miles easily. IF he did not know of the neighbor's camera in particular, it makes the most sense to me that this was his plan before NAU showed up.

 

[tmar]

I am surprised that he even wanted to hide it. It seems like it helps his version of the story more, to admit he had a girlfriend, and that's why his wife left abruptly and took the kids.

And if he was going to try and sell the 'she killed them' story, his having an affair is necessary to that story too.

So I am not sure why he tried so hard to cover that up. Especially since it would be so easy for them to uncover.

But CW does not know what will be uncovered.
He only admitted about the AP, after LE confirmed this, and to SW's murder and disposing of kids, after LE informed him of drone, sheet, and grave site.
He did not think, all this would be discovered.
That is why he had to speak to his father, to disclose, his 'sort of truth', after confronted by these details.
Yet he already, had spoken to his father, (picking him up from air port) and continued telling major fibs to LE.
This also is unbelievable, and has flaws.
MOO.

 

[mtnlites]

My point is that you are not likely to say next when the day has already come and gone.

Right. Using the word "next" to qualify a day that's already passed sounds odd. I don't know anyone who would do that.

 

[UnicornShoe]

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this!

I've been entertaining some of my own "fantasies" about a similar scenario. Even in my own opinion, it's beyond far-fetched to imagine his AP as an accomplice, but then again . . soooo many speculative narratives (including CW's account) strike me as fantastical.

I began playing the what if someone else was involved game after looking at the two crime scenes. IMO, it mrrored the "I'll take care of the bodies, while you get rid of the evidence" trope that I've seen in movies/on TV.

So, in my fantastical version of events, the accomplice (for whatever reason) does not keep their part of the bargain.
If CW believed the house was "taken care of" by someone else, it might explain why so many IMO incriminating items of evidence were left for everyone to find.

Just thinking out loud with my scrambled brain! MOO

I could see that too, potentially!

 

[Deleted member 182072]

BBM
I was thinking about that scenario awhile back. It would've taken some of the heat and focus off him, initially anyway. The only thing is, once he ditched SW's car how would he get back home? Hitchhike? Walk? Uber? Those options all risk being seen and/or remembered. Or he had help. Which I can't quite wrap my brain around. So I guess I'm kind of stumped on that scenario.

I think he planned to use an unregistered beater car he already had in place or maybe even a motorcycle to get back home after abandoning her car. MOO

ETA, whatever he used to get back home, he would have parked a block or so away from his house. MOO

Also, a motorcycle would have been easier to transport and just drop off using his truck, so now I'm thinking that what he would have done. MOO

 

[UnicornShoe]

One possibility is that this was a bit of a mix. He had thought about the dumpsite and murder at a previous time, but hadn’t planned to commit the crime on a specific day.

The night in question, he and Shanann had a verbal altercation, one that escalated to mass murder.

At this point, he simply went through the “rough draft” of what he had previously pictured in his mind.

Good point- maybe he fantasized about how he would do it, how he would get rid of them if he ever did it, and then when things escalated, he lost control and ended up using part of his fantasy. That could explain why the rest was so sloppy.

 

[tmar]

I think one of the things we know for sure is that CW overestimated his own abilities (and underestimated those of the LE). I will never understand how he thought it was a good idea to do 3 media interviews, when under pressure, he could have simply read a statement to the media and not taken questions. I believe he felt he had a long history of being able to lie well. But he did not discount the fact that previous lies were never under the scrutiny they would be under in a situation like this. Re the affair, he might have thought the AP would keep quiet and that other people at work didn't notice (they did IMO). I think he was so very used to being seen as such a good guy with nothing to hide in his life by others that he erroneously was overconfident and thought it would carry him through this situation. IMO

CW's many years of telling lies, and as you state, not being scrutinised and found out, he was confident with his initial lies in interviews, and initial chats with LE.
As LE saw through him, and NAU blocking his probable clean up, he comes up, with another set of lies.
MOO.
Where I live, public transport provides transport for night workers, early birds etc.

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you for bringing up that fact that Bella was going to start kindergarten that day. I think it would have raised more red flags immediately if she had started school and then just stopped rather than not starting at all, so that could help explain the timing of their murders.

The gender reveal party was also going to be that Saturday, so it could also have been a reason for the timing. Unlike baby showers, gender reveal parties are for both men and women to attend and SW would have certainly taken many videos of the event.

My theory is that CW told his AP that he had already started the process of separating from his wife and that the baby wasn't even his. Once the AP saw the gender reveal party videos with CW playing his role as happy husband and doting dad, the jig would have been up. MOO

Frederick is in the St. Vrain Valley School District. First day of school was WEDNESDAY AUG 15.
https://www.svvsd.org/files/REVISED - Adopted 2019.pdf

 

[tmar]

I agree that this scenario would make the most sense for taking the heat off of the house and his workplace. It moves the crime to somewhere else. It would also make sense as to why he did not grab any of her items (that we know of) to dump at the oil tank site. We do know he could run several miles easily. IF he did not know of the neighbor's camera in particular, it makes the most sense to me that this was his plan before NAU showed up.

Ditching car easy.
Leave it at a public place, but avoiding camera areas.
Run to any bus, train, train service, (via back streets) and that could be used to get him close to home.
This could be achieved in the day, when time permits, by leaving via the back.
If late at night, not sure, if the area CW lives in has public transport: if operates at nights.
He could wait around until early morning, if no transport at night ie. choose his times, where appropriate.
MOO.
Where I live, public transport is provided for night workers, and early birds.

 

[Shekkiec]

IIRC AB said they spent two days verifying his claims before airing the call...

Could you provide a link please everything I have found says unconfirmed