Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[Jack0119]

Yes scroll to the bottom.

ETA: neither is mine.

Nothing there on my thread when I do. Just says websleuths birthdays. Thanks though

 

[margarita25]

Yeah. People kill their spouses and stick around all the time.

It’s that killing the kids as well, adds a new dimension. It sets cases like this, apart from your usual spousal murder.

Indeed.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Did you spend a lot of time with Shanann? Once or twice a week more or less?

not sleuthing at all! Just wondering how close you guys were and if she shared personals with you. Fair question I think

To assist you, This question has already been answered by the person you are asking it of. If you go back to August 16th and search on the name you will find the specific answers that you were looking for. It was in response to someone asking How are you holding up? And how is your friend who called the police? How is she doing?

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #2

If you search on previous posts, you might be able to catch up and get some answers if they do not answer you at this time.

 

[Jack0119]

To assist you, This question has already been answered by the person you are asking it of. If you go back to August 16th and search on the name you will find the specific answers that you were looking for.

If you search on previous posts, you might be able to catch up and get some answers if they do not answer you at this time.

Thanks. Caught up. Specific Question not answered

 

[margarita25]

So re: the drone, which LE agency/party provided the drone I wonder, need to take a look.

OMG I might have just had an epiphany.
Weld County...

(Hitting post before I forget or the thread suddenly closes : Post in progress)

So these are the agencies that are on the NOCO Task Force:

(Marking spot Our Late Great Foxfire and I were having a conversation...)

CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3 )

(Looking for a post re: list of agencies)

 

[Alethea]

So re: the drone, which LE agency/party provided the drone I wonder, need to take a look.

Good question! I think it’s interesting how many police forces are using drones in SAR or investigative work now. In a case in California they used it to look for evidence in the Malibu canyons where the brush is very thick. I’m glad they seem to be embracing the technology.

 

[k-mac]

He knew Bella wasn't coming back but it also isn't proof he killed Bella. JMO

would you agree however standing up there telling the media his family is missing DOES make him a liar and untrustworthy?

jmo

 

[scandinavian girl]

I have been reading this since the beginning and all of that time I have been constantly thinking of Ian Stewart (Helen Bailey case in UK), IMHO I think CW and IS are very similar.

 

[Jennifer17]

would you agree however standing up there telling the media his family is missing DOES make him a liar and untrustworthy?

jmo

Yes, I would like one of his supporters to answer that. He tells lie after lie after lie and they now think that he is telling the truth?

 

[MassGuy]

I have been reading this since the beginning and all of that time I have been constantly thinking of Ian Stewart (Helen Bailey case in UK), IMHO I think CW and IS are very similar.

IS was one of those financially motivated killers. He killed for a specific purpose, money.

He may share some similar traits with CW though.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I would like one of his supporters to answer that. He tells lie after lie after lie and they now think that he is telling the truth?

Yeah. “But she lied too,” remember?

False equivalency.

 

[leelee114]

Staying behind, and trying to play off the disappearance of his family, is incredibly unusual.

The vast majority of cases like this (family annihilators), end in suicide.

Sometimes the killer goes on the run (John List, Bradford Bishop).

There isn’t much precedent for what has happened here. Atleast I can’t think of a similar case where the killer has stuck around.

Jeffrey MacDonald stayed after killing his wife and children. Of course he tried to blame hippies and pretend to be victim but he didn’t go in the run nor attempt suicide.

Neal Jacobson killed his wife and two little boys but I’m not sure if the car accident that resulted in his confessions was a failed suicide attempt
or not.

There was no suicide attempt from Neil Entwistle but he did head back to the U.K. to attempt to avoid apprehension.

Robert William Fisher killed his wife and kids then vanished. He’s been one of the FBI’s most wanted for awhile.

 

[MassGuy]

Jeffrey MacDonald stayed after killing his wife and children. Of course he tried to blame hippies and pretend to be victim but he didn’t go in the run nor attempt suicide.

Neal Jacobson killed his wife and two little boys but I’m not sure if the car accident that resulted in his confessions was a failed suicide attempt
or not.

There was no suicide attempt from Neil Entwistle but he did head back to the U.K. to attempt to avoid apprehension.

Robert William Fisher killed his wife and kids then vanished. He’s been one of the FBI’s most wanted for awhile.

I think Fisher is dead, but many do not.

No suicide. No running. No staging of an attack. This guy hid the bodies, and pretended like no crime was even committed.

That’s the incredibly strange part here, atleast in terms of comparing similar types of cases.

 

[tmar]

I have been reading this since the beginning and all of that time I have been constantly thinking of Ian Stewart (Helen Bailey case in UK), IMHO I think CW and IS are very similar.

From memory, IS, the Creep, for money even killed Helen and her beloved doggie.
What a monster.
Didn't he place them into the sewerage tank? Yuk.

 

[tmar]

I think Fisher is dead, but many do not.

No suicide. No running. No staging of an attack. This guy hid the bodies, and pretended like no crime was even committed.

That’s the incredibly strange part here, atleast in terms of comparing similar types of cases.

I believe, all these monsters, do get what they deserve: with some it takes longer. Eventually they lose, whether in the Court system, in jail/prison or in life itself.
Justice does work, in its way.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

@Amandaaa

The media request that was submitted on the 4th of October is not filed on the website that we have been looking at here

Colorado Judicial Branch


Thank you Amandaa for sharing that, but since it's not on that site, will the response be listed there? Am I missing something?

http://coloradofoic.org/files/2018/10/WattsMotionSignedFiled-002.pdf

Motion filed on behalf of media re: autopsy report

I never knew to search there Amandaaa! How did you know to look there? Will the reply be at that website versus at the court site? Thank you so much for finding it!

@Mrspratcher
@gitana1
@Alethea
@Bill Carson

ETA #3 - although not mainstream media, a legal discussion which I thought was very interesting from the site that you got that from, and I thought I would share.

Court in Watts case is wrong venue to decide access to autopsies, media groups and CFOIC say - Colorado Freedom of Information Coalition

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Delete double post

 

[tmar]

Delete double post

What happened, to closing the site tonight?
We must all be behaving.

 

[BrownRice]

Thoughts about timeline....

Will autopsies be able to determine who died first? Usually the coroner gives a timeframe of a wide range of hours using different factors. For example the girls’ stomach contents could show nothing after the bday party. But doesn’t mean they died before dinner. Could be they ate so much at party they weren’t hungry later.

Does the submersion in oil affect the normal death process of a body?

If a timeline can’t be 100% determined, does that help his defense?

 

[BrownRice]

What happened, to closing the site tonight?
We must all be behaving.

I know! I was excited to see it open. With my time zone I’m usually reading when it’s closed.