Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, he went to spend the last week with his family. This was around the time he deleted his FB account, or a short time after.

Right, we know he went to NC the last week and spent time with his family. We don’t know for a fact that he went there to spend time with her specifically.

 

[cailleach]

What other big lies are out there I wonder.

We will find out some of them as this case proceeds. We have some indication of his likely sexual proclivities by the people who have stepped forward.

We know once they have DNA profile, prints, and such he's going to be run through the crime lab to see if anything matches with cold cases. I'm not saying they'll find anything but it's a possibility.

 

[ZsaZsa]

As we have found out so many unpleasant facts already, I would think we will be horrified, as to what else will be presented.
This guy has shown, no warmth, care or even grief towards the murders of his family. MOO.

To know that he took those chubby little faces and shoved them down into crude oil tells me all I will ever need to know about just what he is capable of.

 

[Jennifer17]

We will find out some of them as this case proceeds. We have some indication of his likely sexual proclivities by the people who have stepped forward.

We know once they have DNA profile, prints, and such he's going to be run through the crime lab to see if anything matches with cold cases. I'm not saying they'll find anything but it's a possibility.

I think that his electronic devices will be a treasure chest of proof of big lies.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

At the very least C.W. was sending out double messages. SW can’t be blamed for trying to save her family. Isn’t that what we vow to do when we marry? Till death do us part?

I don’t blame anyone for trying to save their marriage. We don’t know what type of messages CW was sending or if they were double/mixed messages.
jmo

 

[mtnlites]

I don't understand your post, what exists from a variety of sources? Which sources?

Not sure I understand either. Sure there is a possibility that it "does" exist but there is just as great of a possibility, perhaps greater, that is doesn't.

 

[MsBetsy]

Right. He may or may not be a compulsive liar; to me, that is irrelevant. What IS relevant is the fact that he lied in THIS particular situation.

Yes, of course that is the most important. But he must have gotten very used to lying before the murder occurred. It takes a lot of lies and deceipt to be able to maintain an affair, especially if he was lying to both of them. It must be exhausting. And if the story is true about the gay lover, he was lying to him as well. The man said he got tired of all CW's lies. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t blame anyone for trying to save their marriage. We don’t know what type of messages CW was sending or if they were double/mixed messages.
jmo

His message was loud and clear when he killed them all, and dumped their bodies like trash.

 

[cailleach]

IMO he didn’t put on a great performance in that interview.

Yes, but the average person who has only ever lied about small, things everyday things like, "Yes, you look great with that new hairstyle." or "The dinner was delicious!" wouldn't even attempt to stand there and tell those doozies. It's just not in them.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

His message was loud and clear when he killed them all, and dumped their bodies like trash.

I respect your opinion.

 

[tmar]

Great thoughts , I think he said he went downstairs to create an opportunity for SW to strangle the girls without someone saying you were upstairs and could have stopped her.

Welcome Nancy.
Your first post.
Yes, I agree, going down stairs creates this opportunity to distance himself, allowing time for SW to carry out her false act.
MOO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, but the average person who has only ever lied about small, things everyday things like, "Yes, you look great with that new hairstyle." or "The dinner was delicious!" wouldn't even attempt to stand there and tell those doozies. It's just not in them.

The average person wouldn’t kill/bury his wife or hide his daughters dead bodies in oil tanks either. This wasn’t an a average situation.
jmo

 

[scdiv]

To stand there and ask for your family to return when you know that is never going to happen, to question their whereabouts, when you know exactly where there are because that is where you dumped them makes me wonder. even now, how he sleeps at night. Unless he is in complete denial, or believes his own lies, is it wrong to hope to see a completely different CW when he makes his next court appearance? Maybe one who shows emotion or remorse and will decide to save Shanann's family the trauma of going through a trial.

I don't have much faith that he will, but I have wondered the same. If in the initial days after he did these horrible crimes, he thought he was going to get away with it. That he could just yammer on about how they "vanished" and deflect answers to the media and police, and that his focus was on just on "handling" the situation. And then life would go back to normal and he would have his AP and the whole thing would just be beyond him.

At some point he had to realize that..... wasn't going to happen. And now he is sitting in a jail cell for 23 hours a day, except for the hour he apparently can read a hard copy newspaper. And gets a taste of what a life behind bars and loss of freedom could look like. Is he regretting his actions now? Not because he has true remorse, but because of the situation he now finds himself in. Was it worth it to end up in this predicament? I gotta think he committed these murders because he wanted to be rid of them so he could have - what HE considered - a better life for himself. I don't know that he felt such rage and hatred and fury at his wife and those sweet little girls that he killed them out of revenge or passion that would be "worth" the risk of life in prison. I think his family became a nuisance that he wanted to dispose of. To move on. And keep living his life.

Well that didn't happen and now he's sitting in a yuck jail cell with the loss of his freedom. Probably not a tv showing Steelers games. So now he is forced to reflect on his decisions that led him to this point. I don't know that he will feel or show true remorse. I don't know how human he can be after having done this. If he will just feel sorry for himself or if his predicament will lead him to a place of what have I done, this was all so needless and could have been avoided.

My guess is the whole thing pretty much could suck for him, he doesn't really seem like a survive in prison kinda guy, although his sullen, stoic demeanor in court was very different than the doofy, mild-mannered, boring guy in many of the videos - that he may double down, take his chances at trial, look for any kind of out rather than take responsibility and come clean and feel heartbroken over his actions. JMO and thoughts - I have no idea!

 

[cailleach]

IDK, but if there’s a trial I’m sure we’ll find out. Do we know he went to NC to be with her?

Considering he had to travel across the country to where she was with the girls, it's pretty clear he didn't "not" want to see her. He's pictured being there with the family.

 

[pocketaccent]

I'm not MassGuy, but I wanted to answer this question as well. I don't see how it can be anything other than premeditated, due to the cause of death (assuming he is telling the truth about the strangling). Premeditation doesn't require CW to have thought about it for a long time before hand nor to have carefully planned out the crime. He had several minutes while in the process of strangling them to decide whether he should stop or continue strangling them until death occurred. When they passed out after a few seconds and he continued to strangle them to death for several minutes after, it became premeditated, IMO. And then, he didn't stop at the first one. He made a willful decision to go onto the next one. You don't accidentally strangle three people in the space of a few hours. Three times he intentionally placed his hands on his family members and three times he had an opportunity (4-6 minutes) to realize what he was doing and stop. But instead of pausing or changing his course of action, he intentionally continued until they were all dead. IMO, that is premeditation.

(I know you probably meant to ask "did he plan the whole thing in advance" and I'm still undecided on how much preplanning I think he did. But I wanted to point out that premeditation doesn't require CW to have thought about the crime for days or weeks. Above post is for the purpose of discussion and not directed at any one poster. MOO)

Spoken like a lawyer, Gardener. I agree with everything you said.

And whoever helped CW with his confession knew what you just described in your post. His confession was skillfully formulated to get rid of 5 counts of murder + 1 termination of pregnancy in the first degree. His goal was to exchange them with 1 count of voluntary manslaughter.

 

[violet101]

I’ve been wondering something and apologize if already answered. The last week that CW went to visit NC, do we know if he stayed with SW and girls at her parents house or his parents house? Just from SW’s nut allergy issue it seemed like she left her in-laws with issues between them. I know tension between in-laws can definitely cause issues in your own marriage.

If this if off limits to discuss please let me know and I’ll delete.

 

[Gardener1850]

To stand there and ask for your family to return when you know that is never going to happen, to question their whereabouts, when you know exactly where there are because that is where you dumped them makes me wonder. even now, how he sleeps at night. Unless he is in complete denial, or believes his own lies, is it wrong to hope to see a completely different CW when he makes his next court appearance? Maybe one who shows emotion or remorse and will decide to save Shanann's family the trauma of going through a trial.

BBM. I don't think we will see a change in his demeanor. MOO. But I do hope he will decide to confess to all he did and plead guilty. If he has any shred of a conscience he will stop claiming SW had anything to do with killing those girls. He knows the truth and I hope he decides to own up to his actions. In exchange, the State can offer him life in prison instead of the death penalty. That's a fair trade, IMO. But I hope the State refuses to make any deal unless he withdraws his accusations against SW. MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, I’ve been considering many different aspects and how they might have played a role in all of this. With what we know I don’t see how we can determine that’s what was happening.
jmo

So you think he may have been honest with his wife all along, and told her he was having an affair and she was fine with it? As well as the other woman? Isnt there a good possibility he could have been telling the lover he was seperated when she was in NC all that time? He apparently did not like her posting about him on FB. Do you think he deleted his account just because he didn't like it, or could it have been so the other woman would not know they were still together?

 

[NuttMegg]

Right, we know he went to NC the last week and spent time with his family. We don’t know for a fact that he went there to spend time with her specifically.

Really? He goes to visit his family and now we imply that he didn't want to see his wife? Why didn't he just wait until they all came home? How will this be proven, that he didn't want to see Shan'nan?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Considering he had to travel across the country to where she was with the girls, it's pretty clear he didn't "not" want to see her. He's pictured being here with the family.

My response was in regards to a post stating that he went to NC to see her and IMO we don’t know he went there to specifically she her. Maybe he went there to see the kids and other family members.