Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[Ilovemy3boys]

What people? What mental health? Have you got anything to back that up?

Some posters did bring up her mental health earlier <modsnip - rude>

 

[katydid23]

It’s not. And if you don’t want to look at both possibilities, I suppose that’s your prerogative. Some of us here want to look at both scenarios until we know more. JMO

If both of the parents were found in the home, alive, with the two dead babies, then I would look at both scenarios with an open mind.

And even if SW was dead, but he was there and had called for an ambulance and police, I would be willing to look at the possibility she was the killer.

But his actions after the tragic incident just wipe out my ability to see him as an innocent victim. JMO

 

[gitana1]

@Mrspratcher @gitana1 @Amandaaa,

In advance, I apologize if anyone has already covered this.

IF CW takes a plea deal, will the public ever know what evidence LE, FBI, CBI, etc. had?
IF the coroner's report is released, will it be redacted for names attached to finger prints, foot prints, etc.?
IF CW takes a plea deal, will we ever know the truth (yes, that is subjective I realize)?
Thank you.

That's a good question. I think the FOIA would allow the release of documentation they have. And investigators may release a lot of other info they have due to public interest.

Many times plea deals involve a recitation by the defendant of the "truth" of what they did.

 

[rainynights]

I am not sure why CW's word that she killed the kids is given so much weight. There is a balance here. On one hand we have the evidence that points to him being the killer, on the other hand we simply have his word that it was her. And he has lied. A lot.

CW has lied so much that it's hard to keep track. His willingness to detail his version of events didn't arrive the moment he called 911 that morning. And it's because we know he didn't call 911.

He didn't alert authorities on Monday . . .
. . . or Tuesday.
We only learn about CW's wild story after LE presented him with an aerial photo of the oil tank area on Wednesday.

Lying CW's words are not even worth a speck of dust on top of the mountain of evidence that LE already has on him. Jmo

 

[Alethea]

Please, please, just put other posters on ignore. If every other post has a modsnip you know what's coming next.

I really want us to be able to talk about the autopsy motion and other motions that will be coming and can greatly impact the trajectory of the trial. I really don't want to see the thread shut down until trial because we can't get along.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Exactly. And that’s the angle. SW’s mental health is repeatedly alluded to. Then people say what posts? Who said this? And we can’t discuss other members, so it’s impossible to answer.

I can say unequivocally, it has happened, and happened repeatedly.

I’ve never once alluded to any mental health issues. I haven’t jumped off the fence and I lean more to the side that CW is guilty. I can say with 100% confidence that my stance has been unacceptable and not open for discussion to the majority on the threads.

 

[JDough]

You’re making the assumption he killed the children.

Do you believe, based on the information we have so far, that he did not? If not,why do you believe CW is charged with their deaths, and not just tampering with a deceased human body (hate typing that)? What evidence supports (or refutes) the current charges that have allowed you to arrive at your conclusion? Although our beliefs may/may not always be the same, I respect the opinion of every person posting in this case, and am genuinely interested in learning how/why we may come to different conclusions based on the same information made available. I am truly interested in what you believe and why.

 

[MassGuy]

That's a good question. I think the FOIA would allow the release of documentation they have. And investigators may release a lot of other info they have due to public interest.

Many times plea deals involve a recitation by the defendant of the "truth" of what they did.

His allocation would go like this:

“We like had a fight. And I like blacked out. Then I like came to, and like everyone was dead, and I like panicked, and I like dumped their bodies. I’m like sorry.”

Articulate as always, but devoid of both emotion and truth.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I’ve never once alluded to any mental health issues. I haven’t jumped off the fence and I lean more to the side that CW is guilty. I can say with 100% confidence that my stance has been unacceptable and not open for discussion to the majority on the threads.

@MassGuy and @Tippy Lynn - Is SW mental health a banned topic on the thread? It seems like the topic has been danced around more than once by any number of people so I'm confused about where this is coming from?.

 

[Jennifer17]

@MassGuy and @Tippy Lynn - Is SW mental health a banned topic on the thread? It seems like the topic has been danced around more than once by any number of people so I'm confused about where this is coming from?.

No, not banned, but no one can show any proof that SW was mentally ill but it keeps being hinted at.

 

[gitana1]

You’re making the assumption he killed the children.

Yes. It's an intelligent one. Based on five charges of first degree murder, the fact that he's an established liar and his extreme behavior following the deaths which illustrate to most a deep consciousness of guilt and apathy and lack of feeling for his children.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

@MassGuy and @Tippy Lynn - Is SW mental health a banned topic on the thread? It seems like the topic has been danced around more than once by any number of people so I'm confused about where this is coming from?.

I don’t believe the topic is banned. Some have brought it up and have questioned it. Sorry, I haven’t participated in those conversations so I don’t feel comfortable answering your question. Maybe someone else can answer you better than I can.

 

[AtticusFitz]

<modsnip - quoted and referenced posts have been removed>. CW affairs are well established in MSM at the point. It just seems to put this tragic puzzle together its important to understand what was going on in this relationship to fuel such seeming mutual anger.

 

[margarita25]

Yes. It's an intelligent one. Based on five charges of first degree murder, the fact that he's an established liar and his extreme behavior following the deaths which illustrate to most a deep consciousness of guilt and apathy and lack of feeling for his children.

I think @MassGuy said it best:
“Well it’s not exactly a leap.”

 

[AtticusFitz]

No, not banned, but no one can show any proof that SW was mentally ill but it keeps being hinted at.

Ok. So you are alleging victim shaming of some sort in a very underhanded sly way?

 

[MerryB]

Do you believe, based on the information we have so far, that he did not? If not,why do you believe CW is charged with their deaths, and not just tampering with a deceased human body (hate typing that)? What evidence supports (or refutes) the current charges that have allowed you to arrive at your conclusion? Although our beliefs may/may not always be the same, I respect the opinion of every person posting in this case, and am genuinely interested in learning how/why we may come to different conclusions based on the same information made available. I am truly interested in what you believe and why.

Thank you JDough for the kind tone of your post. I appreciate that & I appreciate your genuine interest in others’ opinions, whether you agree with them or not. If we all could be as respectful, I think our conversations would be more productive (and we wouldn’t have to worry about the thread bring shut down).
To answer your question, I think the most obvious scenario is that C.W. did it. However, I think there could be more to this story, and all may not be as it seems. It’s fascinating to me because on the surface, we are presented with one picture of a family that, in reality, may have been entirely different. I’m anxious for more evidence to come out. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

<modsnip - quoted and referenced posts have been removed>. CW affairs are well established in MSM at the point. It just seems to put this tragic puzzle together its important to understand what was going on in this relationship to fuel such seeming mutual anger.

<modsnip - speculation> as of now, there is no evidence of “mutual anger.”

We know there was likely anger at play when CW strangled his family to death, but we can’t get inside Shanann’s mind, even though we have lots of Facebook videos.

 

[katydid23]

<modsnip - quoted and referenced posts have been removed>. CW affairs are well established in MSM at the point. It just seems to put this tragic puzzle together its important to understand what was going on in this relationship to fuel such seeming mutual anger.

Where is the evidence of the fueling of mutual anger?

 

[margarita25]

Ok. So you are alleging victim shaming of some sort in a very underhanded sly way?

( @Jennifer17 was just answering your question I believe.)

 

[tmar]

Jeffrey MacDonald, if the investigators were correct that Collette regained consciousness after his first attack on her.
Jeffrey R. MacDonald - Wikipedia

We hear so many reports, from women about being strangled by their partners, with the women losing consciousness. These women live to tell their stories.
If all 3 of CW's victims, were still alive, after strangulation, it appears no attempt, that CW has stated, was made to help them: call 911, etc.
If we hear more, in evidence, at the trial, this may help, but at present we don't know.