Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[WildWest]

Were pillows visible in the bag of bedding? Because body fluids could have leaked through those pillow cases.

I cannot make heads or tails of what bedding is in the bag I just pray the couple darker spots are patterns on the bedding fabric and not bodily fluids (urine, blood, feces, vomit, maybe even semen there too). Also wondering if each entire bedset were taken in separate bags from the other beds. Our twin sized bedding, mattress cover, sheets, pillow & comforter could look like that bag. Morbid, sorry, I wonder if there were more fluids on the bedding than the pillows.

 

[ZsaZsa]

That is one of the reasons the Thayer's called police the day after CW stayed at their home. They said they had thought of some ideas about how to find Shanann and the girls, and CW didn't seem interested. (paraphrasing)
MOO

Stayed on his phone and ate pizza I believe...

 

[DexterMorgan]

Found it odd, too.
Most distraught husbands would stay at home waiting and praying for their missing wives to show up with the children.

Exactly. Then he mentioned selling the house.

Lol. I would have told my friend that I just booked him a room at the Motel 8 because he can no longer stay here tonight. Lol

Or me and the family would be hunkered down in the same locked room with the Shotgun while psycho Chris slept in our guestroom for the night.

 

[Seattle1]

Stayed on his phone and ate pizza I believe...

Yup -- as if it were game night.....

 

[DexterMorgan]

Wonder how long it will be before a decision is made re MSM request to unseal the autopsy reports?

If the autopsy reports showed SW little hands killed the kids.

Then I think the defense would be arguing for another bail hearing before anything is released to the press.

 

[katydid23]

To me, it showed hostility toward her child.

Hostility?

deep-seated usually mutual ill will

1. hostile behavior; unfriendliness or opposition.
   "their hostility to all outsiders"
   synonyms: antagonism, unfriendliness, enmity, malevolence, malice, unkindness, rancor, venom, hatred, loathing
   
   
   
   
   You got all that from a spray bottle video?

 

[MerryB]

Hostility?

deep-seated usually mutual ill will

1. hostile behavior; unfriendliness or opposition.
   "their hostility to all outsiders"
   synonyms: antagonism, unfriendliness, enmity, malevolence, malice, unkindness, rancor, venom, hatred, loathing
   
   
   
   
   You got all that from a spray bottle video?

With all due respect, I’ve stated my opinion, which I am allowed to do. You do not have to agree. I did not bring up the topic of the video, nor do I wish to beleaguer it. May I suggest we move on before the thread is shut down?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

With all due respect, I’ve stated my opinion, which I am allowed to do. You do not have to agree. I did not bring up the topic of the video, nor do I wish to beleaguer it. May I suggest we move on before the thread is shut down?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Exactly. Then he mentioned selling the house.

Lol. I would have told my friend that I just booked him a room at the Motel 8 because he can no longer stay here tonight. Lol

Or me and the family would be hunkered down in the same locked room with the Shotgun while psycho Chris slept in our guestroom for the night.

Letting your mask slip? Here I thought you would have been busy putting up some plastic sheeting all over your basement...

 

[kaykay543]

I have often wondered why SW videos have been left on her page. I get le might need them; but feel sure they have them by now.

If she was my family I would remove most of them. Especially ones with CW

 

[katydid23]

With all due respect, I’ve stated my opinion, which I am allowed to do. You do not have to agree. I did not bring up the topic of the video, nor do I wish to beleaguer it. May I suggest we move on before the thread is shut down?

I am just trying to clarify. Hostility is a strong word choice. And I am trying to understand why it is being used to describe the actions in this video.

I know it is your opinion. I am just trying to understand it because you have said several times that your opinion is based upon your extensive experience and education in childhood development, etc. So I am trying to understand what it is, in that short video, that would indicate 'hostility' towards the child?

In your experience and research, a parent using water gun play can translate to them having anger and hostility towards their child?

 

[JDough]

I do have children. I also work with children & families. In fact, if this video becomes an issue in the case and/or the central theme of hostility I personally find disturbing is a main point of discussion (which it may never be), I might consider becoming verified. As of right now, my career has no bearing on our discussions, other than to say I feel that I have a good point of reference for my opinions on this.

I always enjoy reading your posts, and looking at things from another perspective, Merry. I appreciate your passion, and the experience you bring to the case. I am interested in investigating the concerns you have brought up and looking a little more at things from your perspective. I have read a great deal of information from the AAP (AAP.org) link you provided several threads ago, but have the following questions regarding the case:

If you believe SW was hostile or possibly abusing her daughters in some way, why do you think there are no confirmed reports of investigations for child abuse? (I am assuming that if there were any reports, we would have seen them by now?)

Have you ever witnessed a child having long-term emotional issues from playing a pie-in-the-face game, or having been squirted in the face with water while playing? If so, what type of issues did the child (or children) have? Do you believe, based on your experience, that Bella or CeCe (had they lived) would have had lasting emotional issues from this type of play?

Are there any children (in your personal experience), that have had emotional issues from receiving a time-out (previously discussed)? If so, what kind of issue(s) did they have? Do you believe Bella or CeCe would have had emotional issues from receiving time-outs?

Are you aware of any child that suffered negatively from getting too much sleep (also previously discussed)? Does a child have the ability to remain asleep (or sleep as long as reported for Bella and CeCe), if they are not tired?

I think the potential concerns you have raised may be relevant to the case if brought up at trial. What proof do you think the defense may use to address this? I, personally, do not think SW was abusive in any way based on the information we currently have available, but am very open to looking at things from another perspective. It will be very interesting to see if any of these things enter into the trial, IMO.

Edited to correct spelling (silly auto-correct)

 

[whisperOFwings]

Other bodily functions could have been expelled too. Thanks for a closer look at that bag of bedding @whisperOFwings .

Were pillows visible in the bag of bedding? Because body fluids could have leaked through those pillow cases.

I found more. Reported that detectives brought 2 big bags of bedding out.
Photojournalist for Denver7, KMGH-TV in Denver, CO.
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Edit to add...
Do I see pink, blue and tan/yellow??? Or is the bag they are in messing with my eyes? Off to find pictures of all the bedrooms to compare....

 

[Jennifer17]

I always enjoy reading your posts, and looking at things from another perspective, Merry. I appreciate your passion, and the experience you bring to the case. I am interested in investigating the concerns you have brought up and looking a little more at things from your perspective. I have read a great deal of information from the AAP (AAP.org) link you provided several threads ago, but have the following questions regarding the case:

If you believe SW was hostile or possibly abusing her daughters in some way, why do you think there are no confirmed reports of investigations for child abuse? (I am assuming that if there were any reports, we would have seen them by now?)

Have you ever witnessed a child having long-term emotional issues from playing a pie-in-the-face game, or having been squirted in the face with water while playing? If so, what type of issues did the child (or children) have? Do you believe, based on your experience, that Bella or CeCe (had they lived) would have had lasting emotional issues from this type of play?

Are there any children (in your personal experience), that have had emotional issues from receiving a time-out (previously discussed)? If so, what kind of issue(s) did they have? Do you believe Bella or CeCe would have had emotional issues from receiving time-outs?

Are you aware of any child that suffered negatively from getting too much sleep (also previously discussed)? Does a child have the ability to remain asleep (or sleep as long as reported for Bella and CeCelia), if they are not tired?

I think the potential concerns you have raised may be relevant to the case if brought up at trial. What proof do you think the defense may use to address this? I, personally, do not think SW was abusive in any way based on the information we currently have available, but am very open to looking at things from another perspective. It will be very interesting to see if any of these things enter into the trial, IMO.

All this and why on earth would the father allow and even participate if his wife's actions toward his children was so abusive?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Letting your mask slip? Here I thought you would have been busy putting up some plastic sheeting all over your basement...

Not while Rita and the kids are asleep.

Its against Harry's code.

 

[PommyMommy]

STOP the parenting debate now, everyone. This is one of the fastest ways to get a thread shut down. Do you all remember the recent family annihilator case of the Hart family? The 2 moms who drove their entire family off a cliff, killing everyone? We no longer have an open thread for that case primarily because members made everything personal and turned the thread into a giant parenting debate and pretty much forgot about the missing and murdered children.

We're not going to do that in this case, okay? When you or I or my next door neighbor puts their children to bed or wakes them up does not matter. Whether we give our kids sugar or think it's poison does not matter.

Please stay on topic. This is about Shan'ann's murder and the murder of her beautiful children. It's not about you, me, or anyone else. Don't take posts personally.

Bumping...

 

[Mellowmelly]

I believe that quote from the reporter, that he killed them all, was in the first day or two when the brother and others had thought that he confessed to killing all of them because they had just learned that he had confessed, and knew where the bodies were. So the Assumption was at the very beginning that he had confessed to killing them all. In my opinion. That's a carryover from the initial misreporting.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up dixiegirl

 

[mtnlites]

All this and why on earth would the father allow and even participate if his wife's actions toward his children was so abusive?

And why didn't any of her FB friends call her out on it?

 

[DexterMorgan]

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@gitana1
Wouldn't CW have to mention her mental health on the stand if he wants the court to consider her mental health as a possible factor for his scenario.

Or can the defense just allow a defense witness to open up the possibility while they are on the stand?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

If the autopsy reports showed SW little hands killed the kids.

Then I think the defense would be arguing for another bail hearing before anything is released to the press.

You would think.