Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[MassGuy]

Do you know what? When he mentioned in his interview his house seemed to him like a "ghost town" and he had the lights up all night just in case they would "return" - I thought he might have been really afraid of their poor souls haunting him. If it was not that sad it would be somehow funny...

Yeah, that was one of his more curious quotes, that the house wasn’t the same without them.

Most people talk about their fears, and say things like “I love them, and I miss them.” He talked about the house.

 

[NuttMegg]

Yeah, that was one of his more curious quotes, that the house wasn’t the same without them.

Most people talk about their fears, and say things like “I love them, and I miss them.” He talked about the house.

The house isn't the same anymore, so I'll sell it.

 

[Thepoet]

No. They can bring it up in opening. Then they can try to put on witnesses to attest to her "bizarre" or "unstable" behavior. The judge will decide whether it's relevant testimony or to allow it in.

In these cases we have sometimes seen a lot of latitude given to the defense though. Think about the Jodi arias trial. (And I know she testified but I'm talking in terms of what horrible, unfounded theories they allowed to be explored to dirty the name of the deceased).

They can try to put on "experts" to try to say that video or audio footage or SM posts or texts, voicemails, emails, whatever, evidence abusive behavior. They did that in the arias case.

In order to really prove she had mental health issues that could've led to her going off the deep end they'd likely though, have to have her doctors up there and/or evidence of calls to 911 due to suicidal ideation, threats, etc., attempts at psych holds, etc. Things we've seen in cases where women have annihilated their families.

And I have yet to see one such case where that kind of thing wasn't known and reported on within DAYS of the homicides. Not one.

If they go this route it's going to be a tough row to hoe. Because there's going to be a ton of evidence and testimony that evidences she was stable, IMO. Her close friends like NUA, who saw and spoke with her daily. The Thayers. School staff. Fellow parents. Colleagues in the business. Her doctors. Just the fact that her husband left the kids alone with her regularly.

Her life and how those around her interacted with and reacted to her evidence stability.

There's going to have to be a lot more than, "yeah she was successfully treated for some depression and anxiety issues. She continued with treatment and reported no significant problems."

And as I've said, I've yet to see a female family annihilator case when that stuff didn't come out very quickly.

Impressions or gossip from those desperate to believe CW won't be enough.

Bravo! Well stated and explains a great deal. Thank you.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Thank you, TT. I hadn't seen this article and I've added it to the media thread. I think all of our verified attorney's agree that the autopsy results will most likely be released. I wish we knew when we will hear one way or another.
MOO

Can you send some of your incredible organizational skills and documentation skills to the rest of us! It seems you have your hand on the pulse of every single document anybody ever wants!

Thank you so very very much for taking the time to find the documents that people are asking for also in addition to apparently having a great spreadsheet with all the links.

You rock!

 

[MassGuy]

The house isn't the same anymore, so I'll sell it.

It was so cold and devoid of emotion. It allowed him to say something that was true though, as I’m sure that things weren’t the same without his family physically being there.

 

[MsBetsy]

It's just a theory but still incredibly disturbing to think how CW might have been laying the groundwork for his own family in NC to back up his absurd claim that Shanann could have just taken the girls and left everything behind because he wanted a separation. IMO, that was his original plan, along with abandoning her car later, once it was dark enough that no one would see who was driving.

And while he was plotting to murder his family, poor unsuspecting Shanann was planning a gender reveal party and a Steeler's theme for baby Nico's room. MOO

Yes, he may have killed them when he did because it would be much easier before school started and the gender reveal party. It would not have seemed as likely for her to leave after she had the party. Even before that it doesn't seem likely, but maybe that's what he was thinking. Maybe he couldn't bare the thought of having to go to the party and put on a big act like he was happy. Jmo

 

[Best of What's Around]

Yeah, that was one of his more curious quotes, that the house wasn’t the same without them.

Most people talk about their fears, and say things like “I love them, and I miss them.” He talked about the house.

Yes, and he had just spent 5 weeks in the house alone recently. I was also disturbed by his failure to comment on what THEY might be going through...only what he is going through.

EDITED TO ADD: some might explain this by the fact that we know he was lying and he knew he was lying. But it is telling in that THIS is what he thought people would want to hear. This is how he saw his family gone - what it did to him. All about him.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I apologize if this has been posted. I’m playing catch up....

Tribune opinion: Court must make autopsy reports public in Christopher Watts case

I have always thought maybe his telling people about his wanting a separation was part of his plan as well. Especially since he made sure to tell her friend, LE, and the media right after the murder. Not that he came right out and said it during his interview, but hinted by revealing that they had "an emotional conversation," This, and the fact that he seemed to be distancing himself from his family for several weeks. Shanann told her friend he was not the same. He was not giving the children the attention he normally would. He was distant. The woman that waited on line with them at the amusement park noticed that he was not interacting with the family. It seems he was trying to distance himself, or he had already seperated himself from them. Jmo

I’m no professional or expert on criminal investigations at all, far from it, but the more I read about this case on here as well as in the news, the more I think it was premeditated. I agree, him distancing himself from SW and the girls allowed him to do what he was planning on doing, he turned them into objects in his mind . By setting the rumour out there that they had spoken of separation IMO in his mind would make their disappearance less worrisome for family and friends. Less likely a search party would be sent out. How he underestimated how much they were actually loved, not just by family but by friends also.

 

[rainynights]

I wonder if, when he went to the friends' house to sleep on Tuesday night, he locked up the house with the 2 door guards and the key pad that didn't work, so if she showed up she couldn't get in and wouldn't know where he was.

Good points. I hadn't thought about whether or not he locked up the house prior to going to stay with NT/AT. Given the fact that he knew what had happened, was actively lying to the public (NT/AT included) and seemed to have no interest in sharing the fact with anyone that they were dead, I'd imagine he'd want to keep everything locked like he had that Monday when NUA and LE arrived to further conceal what had happened, and potentially hide further evidence

Futhermore, if CW did in fact lock up the garage or open it at any time after NUA/LE arrived via the outside keypad (which would be highly suspicious, considering he told LE it was broken per the affidavit), I'd imagine LE could pull that info from the garage door opener/home security company. Jmo

 

[Seattle1]

Yes, and he had just spent 5 weeks in the house alone recently. I was also disturbed by his failure to comment on what THEY might be going through...only what he is going through.
EDITED TO ADD: some might explain this by the fact that we know he was lying and he knew he was lying. But it is telling in that THIS is what he thought people would want to hear. This is how he saw his family gone - what it did to him. All about him.

This^ - 5 stars!

 

[NuttMegg]

It was so cold and devoid of emotion. It allowed him to say something that was true though, as I’m sure that things weren’t the same without his family physically being there.

I actually believed that when he said the house is so empty, he left the lights on, etc, I think in this particular case he was telling the truth and he was scared stiff that one of them would pop out of a closet if he let himself fall asleep. I hope he is too terrified to go to sleep for the rest of his pathetic worthless life.

 

[Mellowmelly]

It's just a theory but still incredibly disturbing to think how CW might have been laying the groundwork for his own family in NC to back up his absurd claim that Shanann could have just taken the girls and left everything behind because he wanted a separation. IMO, that was his original plan, along with abandoning her car later, once it was dark enough that no one would see who was driving.

And while he was plotting to murder his family, poor unsuspecting Shanann was planning a gender reveal party and a Steeler's theme for baby Nico's room. MOO

A completely realistic theory considering CW’s actions after he claimed SW killed his two little girls.

 

[tmar]

It is really interesting how the neighbor's surveillance camera captured every movement on the driveway of CW's house, SW home at 1:48 am, CW backing the truck into the garage at 0530, and driving to work a few minutes later.

CW had no idea that N was going to be so persistent. He must have been crazed coming home and seeing the police there! He probably thought he had at least a day or two to get organized and call the police.

What is particularly interesting, is that the police knew he had killed his family, prior to CW's confession, they had already done ariel surveillance with a drone of his work area, which was documented by the GPS system in the work truck.

Amazing, how technology is helping police catch criminals. 20 years, none of this technology was available. How the heck did they catch the criminals then?

They are catching these criminals much faster now with the technology available.
When we receive the CCTV, the Phone Pings, Computer entries etc, CW will be nailed, in our eyes.
I even feel, LE knew CW was responsible for his wife and children disappearing, after speaking to NUA, and they perhaps encouraged these media interviews.
From day 1, LE read this Creep's body language, realised NUA was very concerned, listened to her, reacted immediately, and checked CW's work arrangements.
They had that the above info very early.
MOO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Can you send some of your incredible organizational skills and documentation skills to the rest of us! It seems you have your hand on the pulse of every single document anybody ever wants!

Thank you so very very much for taking the time to find the documents that people are asking for also in addition to apparently having a great spreadsheet with all the links.

You rock!

That's kind of you to say, and you're welcome. I'll share one of my secrets! I use Pinterest. I have a board set up for each case. In this particular case, I've added sections for Family Annihilator resources, Strangulation, Court Appearances, etc. On each pin, I enter keywords such as "Dieter," "howling," etc. I can go straight to that board and/or section, enter ctrl F for "find," and whatever keyword I need. BOOM, there it is.

ETA: It also allows me to keep things that are not allowed to be posted here.
MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It's just a theory but still incredibly disturbing to think how CW might have been laying the groundwork for his own family in NC to back up his absurd claim that Shanann could have just taken the girls and left everything behind because he wanted a separation. IMO, that was his original plan, along with abandoning her car later, once it was dark enough that no one would see who was driving.

And while he was plotting to murder his family, poor unsuspecting Shanann was planning a gender reveal party and a Steeler's theme for baby Nico's room. MOO

Yes, but his planned was spoiled .. the plan possibly that he was going to analogize her actions of her saying "I'm leaving and never coming back" to something/ an emotional conversation she may have had that happened with his family?

 

[NuttMegg]

That's kind of you to say, and you're welcome. I'll share one of my secrets! I use Pinterest. I have a board set up for each case. In this particular case, I've added sections for Family Annihilator resources, Strangulation, Court Appearances, etc. On each pin, I enter keywords such as "Dieter," "howling," etc. I can go straight to that board and/or section, enter ctrl F for "find," and whatever keyword I need. BOOM, there it is.
MOO

Too cool!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

That's kind of you to say, and you're welcome. I'll share one of my secrets! I use Pinterest. I have a board set up for each case. In this particular case, I've added sections for Family Annihilator resources, Strangulation, Court Appearances, etc. On each pin, I enter keywords such as "Dieter," "howling," etc. I can go straight to that board and/or section, enter ctrl F for "find," and whatever keyword I need. BOOM, there it is.
MOO

Lol, someone showed me Pinterest one time on their computer and I said I'm overwhelmed I could never do that! And that is my only exposure to Pinterest.

That's a very interesting way to do it, I would have have assumed it was in an Excel spreadsheet LOL

 

[DexterMorgan]

The only book about this case I would buy is if NUA helped make it with her personal insider accounts about Chris and his deceitfulness from the gate.

Also about how she basically caught a killer in his tracks. Jmo

 

[tmar]

Perhaps what you’re picking up on in the squirt bottle video is an undercurrent of anger?

How on earth, can a video, as the 'squirt bottle' video, show anger.
If you made videos of my conversations, and actions with my friends, you would think we live behind anger, and portray our actions as significant, perhaps related to further undesirable issues, down the track.

 

[Best of What's Around]

That's kind of you to say, and you're welcome. I'll share one of my secrets! I use Pinterest. I have a board set up for each case. In this particular case, I've added sections for Family Annihilator resources, Strangulation, Court Appearances, etc. On each pin, I enter keywords such as "Dieter," "howling," etc. I can go straight to that board and/or section, enter ctrl F for "find," and whatever keyword I need. BOOM, there it is.
MOO

Does it help that we have no choice but to keep going back to the same concerns every few threads (or every thread sometimes)?