Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[Thepoet]

I believe it will be difficult for the defense to stop the jury from thinking about the vulnerable, little girls placed in tanks of oil by their father, and SW buried in a shallow grave separated from her daughters, the cheating by CW, and all the lies, while they (the defense) try to portray SW as a bad Mother! I'm not even sure they will try that route without some firm evidence and I haven't seen ANY evidence. How far can the defense go before alienating the jury?

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Yeah, that was one of his more curious quotes, that the house wasn’t the same without them.

Most people talk about their fears, and say things like “I love them, and I miss them.” He talked about the house.

That just shows you how his priority was realizing that $100,000 plus tax free gain on the house. MOO

 

[Mellowmelly]

I know this sounds awful but the prosecution asked for the autopsies to be sealed because of risk of significant injury to the public by having them released. I don’t like to even type this out but does anyone think he could have dismembered Bella and Cece in order to make them fit in the tanks ? I ask because it’s already speculated in the media that the causes of death were strangulations, if the cause of death is already out there, albeit speculated, how can this being verified cause the public anymore injury ? .

 

[PommyMommy]

Does it help that we have no choice but to keep going back to the same concerns every few threads (or every thread sometimes)?

Refreshers are good sometimes. Sometimes not, lol. But thanks to Gardener for continuing the conversation about the phone in the sofa cushions and Mo posting a video that shows a much better picture of the sofa in the loft, we can now try to figure out if it was more likely hidden or somehow accidentally landed between the cushions.
MOO

 

[tmar]

Good morning fellow sleuthers! Your Watts thread is open for discussion...

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Love your Autumn pic.
We are into Spring, with lovely colourful scented flowers all around.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The only book about this case I would buy is if NUA helped make it with her personal insider accounts about Chris and his deceitfulness from the gate.

Also about how she basically caught a killer in his tracks. Jmo

I sincerely hope no one is approaching her to have book rights or movie rights at this time, as we have seen in previous cases where if somebody does that, it diminishes them when they get on the stand and are a witness and the defense is all over them As to their Financial motives.

 

[NuttMegg]

I believe it will be difficult for the defense to stop the jury from thinking about the vulnerable, little girls placed in tanks of oil by their father, and SW buried in a shallow grave separated from her daughters, the cheating by CW, and all the lies, while they (the defense) try to portray SW as a bad Mother! I'm not even sure they will try that route without some firm evidence and I haven't seen ANY evidence. How far can the defense go before alienating the jury?

I just can't envision the defense using the family videos. Others have pointed it out before, here, but there is nothing that will tug at jury heartstrings more than seeing those water squirting videos, singing Daddy is my hero, just that little grin of Cece that I can hardly look at. Let them get some "expert" to say that she was being cruel to Bella with the squirt bottle. Wow backfire big time. Nothing else would unite a jury more than having the defense try to cast doubt that a mother loved her kids, and in this "case" there are hours and hours of proof.

 

[mickey2942]

There is a "Slayer Statute" in Colorado.
Colorado Revised Statutes Title 15. Probate, Trusts, and Fiduciaries § 15-11-803 | FindLaw

Apparently, SW died without a will, and her estate will be probated, a cozy phone conference with SW's family, CW, and attorneys.

 

[rainynights]

It was so cold and devoid of emotion. It allowed him to say something that was true though, as I’m sure that things weren’t the same without his family physically being there.

bbm

Yes! This is so true, IMO. Looking back at the porch interviews, it did seem that some sentences came out one of two ways: either a) more fluidly, almost relaxed, or b) more jittery, and at times incoherent. I would speculate the former to be anecdotes that he knew were true (carefully selected in real-time), and seemed more comfortable speaking about because of that. And the latter being his nasty web of lies. Jmo

 

[stereopticons]

That's kind of you to say, and you're welcome. I'll share one of my secrets! I use Pinterest. I have a board set up for each case. In this particular case, I've added sections for Family Annihilator resources, Strangulation, Court Appearances, etc. On each pin, I enter keywords such as "Dieter," "howling," etc. I can go straight to that board and/or section, enter ctrl F for "find," and whatever keyword I need. BOOM, there it is.

ETA: It also allows me to keep things that are not allowed to be posted here.
MOO

This is incredible! I’ve never seen Pinterest used that way. Can you come organize my life?

 

[Marli61]

I know this sounds awful but the prosecution asked for the autopsies to be sealed because of risk of significant injury to the public by having them released. I don’t like to even type this out but does anyone think he could have dismembered Bella and Cece in order to make them fit in the tanks ? I ask because it’s already speculated in the media that the causes of death were strangulations, if the cause of death is already out there, albeit speculated, how can this being verified cause the public anymore injury ? .

Unfortunately I do think he could have dismembered them.
BBM I have the same question.

 

[MKZoo]

I believe it will be difficult for the defense to stop the jury from thinking about the vulnerable, little girls placed in tanks of oil by their father, and SW buried in a shallow grave separated from her daughters, the cheating by CW, and all the lies, while they (the defense) try to portray SW as a bad Mother! I'm not even sure they will try that route without some firm evidence and I haven't seen ANY evidence. How far can the defense go before alienating the jury?

In the JA trial I think they diagnosed her with battrered woman’s syndrome or something to that effect. They then used that as a back door to put an expert on the stand to explain why poor Travis was the real villain of the story. JA also testified and smeared him, but that was how they got an expert to say awful things without being able to examine him.

I have a low grade fear of something similar happening here. IMO, they will certainly do an evaluation of CW. And from there, who knows what avenue they will take to blame it all on SW. Jmo.

 

[tmar]

According to HLN (AB) SW was making 14 or more videos a month but it went down to barely nothing after June (I think). The last video CW was in was the SanDiego trip and there was only one shot of him saying "what's going on." His tone of voice was not pleasant in my opinion. AB concludes there was something wrong between them at this point because she was not making as many videos. SW made no videos during her vacation to NC. Now that could have been she wanted to relax with the family or there was trouble with CW.
SW the devoted mom she was would put the needs of her children above everything if there was going to be a separation IMO
IDK maybe he wanted to leave but had no place to go so continued to play devoted dad and husband and charm SW all the while getting angrier and angrier
Interesting that Nico was still going to have his dads middle name Lee and SW looked forward to going home to CW and the girls so I don't think there were any big arguments
Per HLN AB the AP is cooperating completely with the police. It will be interesting what LE finds on the phones and computer.

I think mentioning, SW was not making videos, towards the end, may be significant.
Perhaps, she realised the marriage was not going well.
She may have known about the Affair, as we do know at the Hairdresser's, the statement of possible separation.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Unfortunately I do think he could have dismembered them.
BBM I have the same question.

I pray he didn’t but if the cause of death is already known, how does it get any worse, cause more injury ? I guess time will tell.

 

[NuttMegg]

Unfortunately I do think he could have dismembered them.
BBM I have the same question.

Even if he dumped them with no clothes, the bones would not naturally disarticulate in that short time period. IMO It's obvious when it is done wrong, and he doesn't have Shan'nan to blame it on at that point if they were cut up.

Although I think he'd be blaming her for everything if he could come up with a way that she dug her own grave then strangled herself.

 

[Layla123]

I think mentioning, SW was not making videos, towards the end, may be significant.
Perhaps, she realised the marriage was not going well.
She may have known about the Affair, as we do know at the Hairdresser's, the statement of possible separation.

I think another explanation might be SW did a lot of traveling during that time. She was sightseeing and hanging out with friends and family, and not focusing as much on Thrive sales.

 

[Charlot123]

I just can't envision the defense using the family videos. Others have pointed it out before, here, but there is nothing that will tug at jury heartstrings more than seeing those water squirting videos, singing Daddy is my hero, just that little grin of Cece that I can hardly look at. Let them get some "expert" to say that she was being cruel to Bella with the squirt bottle. Wow backfire big time. Nothing else would unite a jury more than having the defense try to cast doubt that a mother loved her kids, and in this "case" there are hours and hours of proof.

I think making and posting the movie showing only unwilling participants was stupid, but not cruel. It is like laughing at your own joke. I tried to watch all the movies, it seems that SW clearly had inflated opinion of self and kids' photogenicity, no one would make a reality show of them, but this is all. I see zero evidence of SW abusing kids or CW. Nada.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Unless CW pleads Guilty or No Contest than the defense has no choice but to try and prove SW killed or at least capable of killing the kids which lead to CW's self defense or diminished capacity claim for her murder and cover up.

And if I was his family. I wouldn't show up to court if he took this route. No jail visits either. Jmo

Isn’t the burden on the prosecutor to prove CW’s guilt?

 

[Thepoet]

Question for our attorneys;

It's been suggested here that the defense will have CW examined by a professional (psychiatric). If that happens is the prosecution allowed to have their own expert examine him. What are the guide lines? Thanks.

 

[Charlot123]

Unfortunately I do think he could have dismembered them.
BBM I have the same question.

It is horrifying that he dumped them in crude oil. If he tried to dismember them, it is nauseating to even think of it. And it is an understatement.