Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[rainynights]

Are we picking and choosing which "unnamed sources" we believe? If we're throwing them out then are we also throwing out the ideas that CW has a Bible and a family picture in his jail cell? Apparently some of the information must be based in truth because the defense got pretty uptight about these leaks.

Speaking of that People article, I didn't really think anything about it at first, but what I found interesting is that the family picture CW has in his cell includes SW:

His cell is no less sparse. PEOPLE has learned that the 33-year-old has just two personal effects: a Bible and a photo of his wife and children, 34-year-old Shan’ann Watts and girls Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 — the same people he allegedly killed.

Chris Watts Has a Family Picture in His Jail Cell, Says Source: 'He Has Nothing To do But Reflect'

Yes, I understand he likely wants to come off as a remorseful husband, since he admitted to killing her. But the other half of that is he claims he killed her in a rage, because she killed his girls.

I understand his preening his shirt because he was likely trying to cover the murders up with the hopes that their bodies would be hidden. But now that we know "his truth" from his version of events, I find it notable. Jmo

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

Speaking of that People article, I didn't really think anything about it at first, but what I found interesting is that the family picture CW has in his cell includes SW:

His cell is no less sparse. PEOPLE has learned that the 33-year-old has just two personal effects: a Bible and a photo of his wife and children, 34-year-old Shan’ann Watts and girls Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 — the same people he allegedly killed.

Chris Watts Has a Family Picture in His Jail Cell, Says Source: 'He Has Nothing To do But Reflect'

Yes, I understand he likely wants to come off as a remorseful husband, since he admitted to killing her. But the other half of that is he claims he killed her in a rage, because she killed his girls.

This is just such a good point! Wow! If this was true why did he choose a photo with her on it (the person who killed his babys!!) and not one with just both of the kids?

 

[WildWest]

Who is this source for this information? How is this information being leaked? The defense team raised holy heck about information be leaked and the denied investigation of same. IMHO, someone in the jail or on the defense staff is putting this stuff out there. I wonder what the purpose is.

I wonder if jails over capacity have any bearing on this, another person in jail tells his visitor what he sees and leaks that? Idk, since marijuana was legalized in Colorado the jails where I lived have been exponentially over capacity as the weather and weed exponentially increased the travelers and homeless populations. Not a debate, fact on the jails.

 

[liltexans]

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[MyBelle]

Is it illegal for another inmate to talk to his friend on the outside and that friend tell media?

That would be unreliable hearsay and not credible. Legit news media wouldn't print it. JMO

 

[esayer]

It is the defendant and the defense team who have accused SW of murdering the children. They filed a motion asking certain evidence be collected. Do you have a link to the LE report there is no evidence that SW killed her daughters? I missed it. Thanks.

This article in multiple publications There's 'no evidence' Chris Watts's wife killed their kids as he claimed, according to a new report

 

[MyBelle]

If the source had no ties to the DA or to LE, it seems odd that the defense keeps bringing it up and holding the DA's office responsible for it and saying that as a result they won't get a fair trial for their client?

The PD is doing its job.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

An unnamed source that has no ties to the DA or LE are not credible because such leaks are illegal.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[J] PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTIONS D29, D30, AND D31 MOTIONS TO REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

First off, it says “unnamed police source” right in the article.

And just because saying something is illegal, doesn’t make it false.

 

[Thepoet]

If CW is a suicide risk, as has been reported, and proper protocols are in place, including no books or reading material, how did CW suddenly end up with a bible and family photo? Almost at the same time it was reported the autopsy results were completed and motions began. Coincidence?

 

[PommyMommy]

Who is this source for this information? How is this information being leaked? The defense team raised holy heck about information be leaked and the denied investigation of same. IMHO, someone in the jail or on the defense staff is putting this stuff out there. I wonder what the purpose is.

The source is unknown, and I'm not sure why everyone is calling them "leaks." It seems like ordinary reporting to me, but there are a few clues as to the source:

“He doesn’t have much to do in jail,” says a source who has spoken to Chris.

Chris, who occasionally speaks with guards and can talk to other prisoners, is keeping a low profile as he awaits his eventual trial.

“He sleeps a lot,” the source says. “He can just sit there and look at the picture and read the Bible.”

MOO

 

[?mysterian?]

I have got the impression from reading many posts from many members here that they have given attention to other possibilities and simply can't find anything to really support other possibilities, yet they find a lot to support that CW killed them all.

Also, those of us willing to discuss other possibilities have asked questions of those supporting the other possibilities, but haven't received answers to our questions. That tends to limit discussion, IMO.

 

[Thepoet]

The source is unknown, and I'm not sure why everyone is calling them "leaks." It seems like ordinary reporting to me, but there are a few clues as to the source:

“He doesn’t have much to do in jail,” says a source who has spoken to Chris.

Chris, who occasionally speaks with guards and can talk to other prisoners, is keeping a low profile as he awaits his eventual trial.

“He sleeps a lot,” the source says. “He can just sit there and look at the picture and read the Bible.”

MOO

Good post. Could the information be coming from another prisoner, cultivated by the press?

 

[PommyMommy]

This is just such a good point! Wow! If this was true why did he choose a photo with her on it (the person who killed his babys!!) and not one with just both of the kids?

One would think that he would be hesitant to choose a shirt that SW gave him and wear it the very next day after she supposedly killed their children too. MOO

 

[Gardener1850]

My entire question began with the premise he is telling the truth.

Hypothetically, let's say she killed the girls and was screaming at him that nobody would ever believe him and he'd spend the rest of his life in prison, he snaps and kills her and covers it up, believing her that nobody would believe him.

Is he not supposed to tell the truth (that hypothetical truth) because it's distasteful or puts her in a bad light?

It's only an abhorrent defense if it isn't true.

He can tell "his truth" until the cows come home.
Without evidence to back it up is is just another story he is telling.
How many versions of the truth did he tell prior to settling on that one?
Is there anything that corroborates his story?
Any single little thing?
Evidence and actions speak louder than the words of proven liar.
That is the determining factor for me on whether I am willing to listen.
Show me the evidence and I'll fairly consider it.
So far, that evidence doesn't exist and a mountain of evidence controverting his "true story" has been presented.
I don't have to give a confessed liar, confessed adulterer and confessed murderer the benefit of the doubt that, despite all the evidence existing to the contrary, maybe he is telling the truth on this one unbelievable thing (SW killing the girls).
If I'm wrong then there is very little difference in how I will view him-- a dangerous man who murdered his wife and unborn son in an uncontrollable rage and made no effort to try to save his daughters does not belong in society IMO. He didn't stop it and he didn't make any attempt to rescue them. He wasn't helpless or weaker than her or so stupid he didn't know to call 911 when a child is blue. If he is telling the truth, he is not much better than the cold calculating man I believe him to be, who laid in wait to murder his whole family so he could be free of them.
If SW murdered the girls first it doesn't change CW's level of despicably in my book.
It doesn't make him sympathetic at all, because of what he did in response.
So I'd rather error on the side of believing the victims are true victims of CW and he is just trying to get off on a lesser charge by blaming SW.
MOO.

 

[gitana1]

Seems to me the jails, from now on, should should stock up not only orange suits and handcuffs but also, "family annihilator's kits", including the Bible, the picture of the slain family, probably some tear drops and a lot of Kleenex.

I am glad that the public defenders are doing a good job. First, everyone is entitled to good defence, and also, it is not an easy job, and not much money, so maybe the public defenders can grow into well-known litigators on this case? They probably did not fight to get it.

The probably earn upwards of 90k annually, plus benefits and much more time off than typical firm jobs. Not too bad.

 

[Jennifer17]

One would think that he would be hesitant to choose a shirt that SW gave him and wear it the very next day after she supposedly killed their children too. MOO

But they were just missing then though, remember?
He thought that they would never be found.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Innocent men don’t pretend they don’t know where their dead family is. Innocent men don’t ignore their dead children without at least trying to save them. Innocent men don’t hide the bodies of a murder that someone else committed. Innocent men don’t destroy evidence that could prove they are innocent. Innocent men don’t make another murderers crime look like their own. It’s absurd.

I, for one, cannot ignore all of that in case *maybe* there’s something horrible we don’t know yet about SW. Finding out something about SW isnt going to erase what I already know about CW. If that makes me bias then I guess I am. I’ve added up all of the information and it’s very clear to me he’s guilty of all crimes. I’m going to need some pretty hardcore proof to change my mind. I have zero empathy for him and think he’s a disgusting human. If it’s proven she’s the killer then I will think the same of her. I just don’t think there were two murderers in that house that night.

 

[Marli61]

Your post just gave me a thought. "no inclination" of where they are, misused that word. There has been thoughts here that they were smothered vs. strangled and CW misusing those words too? @MassGuy used a different term too, was it choke hold?

Yes!! I was just thinking about that last night! How he misused the word inclination.
Definition:
1.
a person's natural tendency or urge to act or feel in a particular way; a disposition or propensity.

 

[Amonet]

The PD is doing its job.

JMO

Yes, of course they are. I was thinking that if they're pretty much saying that it was an LE source that it probably was. Are you saying that they'd still accuse the prosecution even if they didn't think it was a genuine LE source?

 

[gitana1]

But there is no evidence to suggest anything other than C.W. murdered his family, and I haven’t seen the Defense do anything but annoy the Court by filing frivolous motions that end up getting denied. I don’t understand why you’re so enamored by the Defense. And all these leaks, they’re so vague, I could have leaked them! Of course, the Prosecution has all the texts between C.W. and SW. They took her phone. Of course CW is depressed in jail, who wouldn’t be? So what if he has a Bible? Who says he’s reading it? And don’t forget Elizabeth Smart’s kidnapper read the Bible every day. As for the AP? It’s pretty obvious she’s cooperating with the police because she hasn’t been arrested. I want some real leaks! And I’m very disappointed that there haven’t been any in this case!

They're not close to "frivolous" motions. Regardless as to whether or not their motions are granted. This is what solid litigation looks like. They're working their case hard and smart.

This is my professional opinion based on my years in this business. It's not based on my feelings about CW and his guilt.

I don't know what else to say. Everyone is free to believe what they want.

 

[MyBelle]

<modsnip - personalized>

2. The law DOES NOT prohibit such statements unless there is a court order.

3. The judge denied the defense motion for an investigation into leaks.

I've linked the DA's response which cites the law.


Additionally, the District Attorney, both over time and regarding this specific investigation, has taken numerous practical steps to try to limit the dissemination of information to only that which Colo RPC–3.6 and the Court has authorized.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[J] PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTIONS D29, D30, AND D31 MOTIONS TO REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf