Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Hazelnutty]

She was batship borderline though. They express rage pretty easily. The family annihilators don't though. They're terrified of being unmasked and showing true, negative emotion.

So they're very adept at hiding it.

I predict we won't see a lick of anger from CW. Only feigned tears a la Neil Entwistle whose pretend sobbing at trial looked exactly like actual, gleeful laughing.

Neil Entwistle makes final appeal to Supreme Court

His pretend sobbing is horrifying.

 

[MintLeighf]

BBM
If he didn't feel anything for anyone, why would it be different with the AP?

It wouldn’t have been...he’s a covert narcissist IMO so anyone he “loves” it’s a fleeting feeling that is there only because they’re supplying him with the adoration/attention/security/whatever void he needed filled ATM and as soon as she refused to do so he would have discarded her just as easily...more so actually (as impossible as it seems) because he would feel even more invincible/entitled. (Since his poor wife is missing and he got away with murder, if everything had went as planned of course).
JMO

 

[Hazelnutty]

Yes, and I'm not sure if this video tells you or not, but they're showing photos of his dead wife.
MOO

Omg! He is evil.

 

[Gardener1850]

I've been reading through so many really great comments tonight. I don't think it would have mattered at all what type of personality the wife of CW might have had. If his wife had been shy, an introvert and rarely posted on social media, I don't feel anything would have changed. I believe he would have annihilated any family he had if the circumstances were right. He met someone else he wanted to spend his life with and regardless of who his wife was or how many children he had, I believe the results would have been the same. There is something vital missing in men like him. Unfortunately, SW never had a chance. I don't believe any woman would have had a chance, regardless of their personality and extenuating circumstances. All the fault was in him, IMO, and no woman would have survived, long term. JMO.

Yes, I tend to agree with this. I do think SW was somewhat vulnerable when they met. She had recently been divorced and was struggling with her health. I think he enjoyed playing the role of her "knight in shining armor" for a while. He may have enjoyed the idea of having someone weaker that would always need him. SW's only mistake might have been that she mistook his sticking around through her medical appointments for selfless love, but in reality his actions may have been very self-serving. It's not her fault she was fooled by him. And it's not her fault she grew in confidence and became less ill as their marriage went on (IMO she didn't need him as much anymore and was focusing most of her energy on her girls-- which is what most mothers do and is not bad at all). But even if their marriage had troubles, SW may not have ever had a moment where she thought CW was dangerous or would do something like this. I don't think she could have prevented it by doing anything different or being anyone different. I don't think anyone who knew him saw this coming. JMO.

 

[Tigerlily75]

I added that Rachel Entwistle was similarly described as "vivacious and outgoing".

I actually think Laci wasn't "soft" and trusting. Her family and friends have described her as decisive, IIRC. Sometimes opinionated. They believe she would've never tolerated him having an affair. She would've blown up and left him.

Scott's mom didn't like her much.

Let me see what I can find about the others.

Jennifer Blagg was described as gentle and sweet. A devoted and protective mother (Michael was likewise described as protective).
Super social:

Killer Dad

Sherri Colemman was described as worldly, tough, "fun, uninhibited and wildly playful." (Christopher was described as a Godly young man, reserved, and the quietest and gentlest of his siblings, who cried when an animal was killed during a hunt and never got angry).

A Family Erased: The Chris Coleman Story

I can't find much about Mary Jane Longo. She was 7 years older. Interestingly, when she and the kids went missing, her husband claimed she was having an affair. (She was a devoted Jehovah's Witness).

Add John Sharpe to the list. He was very quiet and introverted, his wife Anna was outgoing and sociable. (He described her as “controlling and moody”.)

I killed wife and daughter with speargun: husband

 

[Gardener1850]

Exactly, The many discussion on other sites about SW being the catalyst to this tragedy miss the point that the catalyst was what ever defect CW has (asumming he killed all 3 which I think he did). Her actions are irrelevant when dealing with someone who sees murder as the path to a new life.

Yes, well said. I agree.

 

[Backstroke10]

I don’t see any big deal with this video. The 3 or 4 people around him aren’t engaging with the dancing folks either. If I were at this event, I would be doing what he is doing. Some people get giddy and dance, others are wallflowers. I’ve been to my fair share of these types of events. Frankly, I find them painful. Maybe he did too. Gives you a good glimpse of his personality. Believe me, there is a lot going on in that head of his on a daily basis.

I most definitely wouldn't be doing that dance either. I would be over there with the small group of people talking as well. However, I would be engaging/talking with the group of people and not always looking over at my husband. IMO it's an observation about this video and all the others in reference to him always looking awkward/uncomfortable.

 

[Tigerlily75]

She was batship borderline though. They express rage pretty easily. The family annihilators don't though. They're terrified of being unmasked and showing true, negative emotion.

So they're very adept at hiding it.

I predict we won't see a lick of anger from CW. Only feigned tears a la Neil Entwistle whose pretend sobbing at trial looked exactly like actual, gleeful laughing.

Neil Entwistle makes final appeal to Supreme Court

Wow. That’s the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

There is an unsolved FA murder from the 1970s in Australia, the perp is Elmer Crawford, I've only recently been made aware of this man, he's on the most wanted list.
I think it's worth mentioning not only because he's another one who didn't commit suicide but regretfully, has escaped justice, never to be seen again. The elaborate scheme he devised to annihilate his family is incredible and so cruel.
I wouldn't be surprised if more is revealed about something similar with CW, in that, the murders might not be as straight forward as we think. Maybe, each were killed in a different manner and as some posters have suspected, the girls were killed first.


In 1970, Elmer Crawford was accused of electrocuting and bashing his pregnant wife and three children before bundling them into a car and sending it off a cliff. Just one day later, he vanished, and police are still searching for him more than 50 years later.
On July 1, 1970, Crawford allegedly used a roughly constructed electrocution device to shock his pregnant wife Therese and two of their children: Katherine, 13, and eight-year-old James.
A 15m electrical cord with a plug at one end and extension cord socket at the other was found in the family home after the brutal deaths, with five small wires with alligator clips attached to each one, News Corp reported.
Police believed Crawford attached the alligator clips to the ears of his three family members and shocked them to death as they slept. He then beat the children with a hammer.
His youngest child, six-year-old daughter Karen, was not shocked. Instead, she was beaten to death with the hammer.
The bodies were then bundled into the back of Crawford's car, where the seat had already been removed.
After driving hundreds of kilometres with the bodies lying dead in the back, Crawford is then believed to have arrived at the edge of Loch Ard Gorge, near Port Campbell, and rolled the car off the cliff.
The car was discovered the next day, having landed on a ledge 20m below the cliff edge.
Police knocked on Crawford's door, and believe this is when he chose to flee.


Killer Elmer Crawford believed to be living in WA outback | Daily Mail Online
Elmer Crawford | Photos | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

 

[gitana1]

Yes, and I'm not sure if this video tells you or not, but they're showing photos of his dead wife.
MOO

Which he can't help himself but repeatedly sneak peeks at.

I wonder how well CW will do when it's his time to perform.

 

[SurvivedTheFire]

I have a question from the Ashleigh Banfield show if you guys could help. The videos Shan’ann made there are so many! They said they could be used to determine her state of mind at first part but then second person said they would be admissible and maybe parts could be twisted against her. Would the tapes be automatically used as evidence or would a motion be used to grant permission ? I am wondering if they will be used now.

 

[gitana1]

Wow. That’s the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen.

As creepy as the photo above? (Day after my wife strangled my babies to death as I watched from a monitor).

I don’t see any big deal with this video. The 3 or 4 people around him aren’t engaging with the dancing folks either. If I were at this event, I would be doing what he is doing. Some people get giddy and dance, others are wallflowers. I’ve been to my fair share of these types of events. Frankly, I find them painful. Maybe he did too. Gives you a good glimpse of his personality. Believe me, there is a lot going on in that head of his on a daily basis.

Yeah I'm often not social at events either. Usually tired. Feel weird.

That's not the point. It's his look as he watches her. I have a still shot that's pretty sinister.

The other three he's pretending to be engaged in a conversation with aren't really looking. He is.

But not at the dancers.

 

[Tigerlily75]

BBM
If he didn't feel anything for anyone, why would it be different with the AP?

They’ll keep them around for as long as they’re useful to them.

Sometimes the next partner disappears too, see Stacy Peterson.

 

[gitana1]

Exactly, The many discussion on other sites about SW being the catalyst to this tragedy miss the point that the catalyst was what ever defect CW has (asumming he killed all 3 which I think he did). Her actions are irrelevant when dealing with someone who sees murder as the path to a new life.

True. Her actions are totally irrelevant. These cases are always about the character of the annihilator.

But it is quite interesting that these shadow people often seem to pick partners that are much more alive than they are.

Thank you Layla for another great summary.

(Hmmm..videos.. AB lurked here again..)

Hear hear!!!

 

[gitana1]

Add John Sharpe to the list. He was very quiet and introverted, his wife Anna was outgoing and sociable. (He described her as “controlling and moody”.)

I killed wife and daughter with speargun: husband

Holy cannolli.

He intended to make it seem that his wife took their child and ran off with another man. I'm pretty sure CW was going to try to pretend the same thing. He might still try to bash SW by pretending she was unfaithful.

His reason for killing the child?

"The child belongs with the mother," he later told police.

I wonder if CW felt the same way.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Which he can't help himself but repeatedly sneak peeks at.

I wonder how well CW will do when it's his time to perform.

Just like Jodi Arias peering through her fingers at Travis crime scene photos.

 

[gitana1]

I have a question from the Ashleigh Banfield show if you guys could help. The videos Shan’ann made there are so many! They said they could be used to determine her state of mind at first part but then second person said they would be admissible and maybe parts could be twisted against her. Would the tapes be automatically used as evidence or would a motion be used to grant permission ? I am wondering if they will be used now.

Every bit of evidence has to be "moved" into evidence. So the lawyer introducing it will say, "I move this video into evidence." Then the other side can object. If they object, the court decides if it is admissible.

Typically in big trials like this, decisions about a lot of evidence are decided pre-trial via what are called motions in limine.

Videos or any other evidence of statements by SW can come in as a hearsay exception per CO law because she's dead, and thus "unavailable."

If "not offered for the truth of the matter asserted", as the AB pundit stated, they still have to have a reason for admitting them. What are they being introduced to show? No matter what they have to be relevant to the case.

State of mind is an exception to hearsay as well.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I don’t see any big deal with this video. The 3 or 4 people around him aren’t engaging with the dancing folks either. If I were at this event, I would be doing what he is doing. Some people get giddy and dance, others are wallflowers. I’ve been to my fair share of these types of events. Frankly, I find them painful. Maybe he did too. Gives you a good glimpse of his personality. Believe me, there is a lot going on in that head of his on a daily basis.

I think he looks like he couldn't care less about what he's watching (his pregnant wife dancing), instead of being attentive and happy about how attractive she was as she was dancing. His demeanor was definitely "off" to me, from my perspective as the wife of a husband of several decades who is still very attentive and interested in me dancing, however sensually or otherwise, in public.

 

[human]

I've been reading through so many really great comments tonight. I don't think it would have mattered at all what type of personality the wife of CW might have had. If his wife had been shy, an introvert and rarely posted on social media, I don't feel anything would have changed. I believe he would have annihilated any family he had if the circumstances were right. He met someone else he wanted to spend his life with and regardless of who his wife was or how many children he had, I believe the results would have been the same. There is something vital missing in men like him. Unfortunately, SW never had a chance. I don't believe any woman would have had a chance, regardless of their personality and extenuating circumstances. All the fault was in him, IMO, and no woman would have survived, long term. JMO.

He was older when he got together with her. Maybe 26? I wonder why he chose her?

 

[cailleach]

Add John Sharpe to the list. He was very quiet and introverted, his wife Anna was outgoing and sociable. (He described her as “controlling and moody”.)

I killed wife and daughter with speargun: husband

At least he finally admitted he did it. Gruesome case though. Lunatic.