Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[katydid23]

Not wearing shoes in the house is very common to me. Dragging dirt in from outside is not desirable. There is even research that tells about the things brought in on a shoe from the outside,

Many cultures do not allow shoes in the home.

I see them wearing shoes in the house in some of the videos. Mostly flip flops, but the girls are wearing shoes in some videos.

 

[?mysterian?]

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[human]

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I see them wearing shoes in the house in some of the videos. Mostly flip flops, but the girls are wearing shoes in some videos.

So taking shoes off in the house is not part of their family rules, probably

 

[violet101]

AB brought up the blog mentioned earlier on here. I noticed the murders happened around 8 years of them being together. Just thought it was weird coincidence. Journey of Bella Marie: Today is 3 years your daddy and I have been together! I couldn't of asked for a better man!

 

[idfinch]

Interesting, because if my son was on trial for killing his wife, with a story like this, there is no way that I would cash in 401k, or mortgage our home for his defense. Sure, I would throw some money on his account in jail, take his phone calls, help him out, but, his defense would be his own expense.

Adults make their own choices. If SW killed her children, she would have to have been completely borderline, and unstable. CW would have known how she would react to any breakup.

Parents sometimes do put themselves into financial harms' way to protect an adult child. I'm not sure if it put Scott Peterson's family in financial hard way, but from what I understand, they put up $1,000,000 for his defense.

I know some people (not friends of mine) who ended up declaring Chapter 7 because they were always bailing their son out of trouble. His last crime put him in prison for life with no parole. DNA proved he did it, too. It didn't matter, his parents are 100% on his side. He can do no wrong in their eyes. Yeah - they are a very dysfunctional bunch!

I agree 100% on both counts. On one hand, it's foolish to throw away everything you've worked for your entire life when he has already confessed to serious crimes. He's not going to walk. Plus it seems like he's got a pretty darn good defense team already. I'd sit back.

But, OTOH, like you said molly1255, there are those parents who absolutely will not move past the "my poor innocent baby boy" syndrome. I have zero doubt in my mind that in a similar scenario my MIL wouldn't hesitate to mortgage and sell everything and believe anything her son said no matter the evidence to the contrary. In this situation though, it is so hard. He isn't completely innocent from the jump, and the losses are so massive to both families.

It will be very interested to see if there are any changes in his attorneys or not once the autopsy decisions are finalized and that bombshell (which it will be regardless) hits the public. That will tell a lot about support and belief in the "truth" of CW's side of things.

ALL JMO

 

[PrimeSuspect]

We don't know what this "dark place" was that she was in, but despite being there, she worked, improved her life, and bought a house (the one in NC) by herself. She was a survivor and a fighter! The history that we have of her shows someone who built things; her life, her family, friendships, her business! She was a builder, not a destroyer! What is he? Lies and adultery destroy, not build!

well said!

 

[Mrspratcher]

@Layla123 did I miss your AB post?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Well, hypothetically, if she killed the girls and told him nobody would believe him, she's not wrong... hypothetically

When did SW have a moment to tell CW she'd kill the girls and no one would believe he didn't do it..... while she was strangling CeCe? Even in this hypothetical it's not possible.
If SW threatened the girl's lives, CW knew in advance and he could have saved them, why go into a rage? Why would he go downstairs if SW was threatening violence? Doesn't make any sense and I'd like to see the defense try it court, if it even makes it to court.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Hypothetically, let's say she killed the girls and was screaming at him that nobody would ever believe him and he'd spend the rest of his life in prison, he snaps and kills her and covers it up, believing her that nobody would believe him.

Which movie was that from again?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

An unnamed police source told People magazine:
An unnamed police source doesn't hold much credibility IMO.

Neither does CW.

I'd believe a police source over CW any day.

 

[cailleach]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=765546013805120

Defense attorney says she wouldn't want the autopsy results out. Also says what @gitana1 said earlier about setting up for appeal.

I also see them attempting to set him up for appeal. I believe the court will guard against that as much as possible. Defense's response was a verbose exercise in making not saying much of anything sound of much more import, IMOO. I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions on it though, most definitely.

In a much more speculatory manner, I could also see this case having some parallels to People vs. Bergerud before it's over in multiple appeals and in CW exerting his authority to direct the presented defense. He also strikes me as someone who could pull a Bergerud and attempt to go pro-se if he doesn't get along with counsel. Again, MOO, JMO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I see them wearing shoes in the house in some of the videos. Mostly flip flops, but the girls are wearing shoes in some videos.

CW was wearing boots in the "opps we did it again" video.

 

[mtnlites]

Neither does CW.

I'd believe a police source over CW any day.

From the beginning I have wondered why CW, a proven liar, and his word have been given so much stock.

 

[cailleach]

I see them wearing shoes in the house in some of the videos. Mostly flip flops, but the girls are wearing shoes in some videos.

We're firmly in the "shoes off at the door" group here. Bare feet, slippers or indoors only shoes. I'm weird like that. lol As related to the case, why are we discussing shoes? (Just coming in from the office and behind. Sorry!)

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Innocent men don’t pretend they don’t know where their dead family is. Innocent men don’t ignore their dead children without at least trying to save them. Innocent men don’t hide the bodies of a murder that someone else committed. Innocent men don’t destroy evidence that could prove they are innocent. Innocent men don’t make another murderers crime look like their own. It’s absurd.

I, for one, cannot ignore all of that in case *maybe* there’s something horrible we don’t know yet about SW. Finding out something about SW isnt going to erase what I already know about CW. If that makes me bias then I guess I am. I’ve added up all of the information and it’s very clear to me he’s guilty of all crimes. I’m going to need some pretty hardcore proof to change my mind. I have zero empathy for him and think he’s a disgusting human. If it’s proven she’s the killer then I will think the same of her. I just don’t think there were two murderers in that house that night.

well said.

Imo, nothing will be found to link SW to the girl's death but at the same time, nothing concrete on CW either ( I hope I'm wrong).

Unless the COD is different to what he said, throws a spanner in the works with his version etc. but still, I can see there's going to be changes as more evidence comes to light, CW will be tailoring his story to fit. jmo

 

[WildWest]

So taking shoes off in the house is not part of their family rules, probably

Not sure, some families do not blink an eye about wearing shoes in a household but the members are barefoot or sockfoot every chance they get, kick the shoes off as soon as they get in the door (pair of women's shoes by the front door). Add that the crimes happened between the evening and wee hours of the next morning so he could have been barefoot already. Still quite curious about the nonporous bag and footprint requested....

 

[cailleach]

It would be standard procedure to check for signs of sexual abuse/assault. I hope they don’t find any.

He's a high risk inmate for violence from others as it is and that would compound the problem. Not to mention I sincerely hope that's not the case.

 

[mtnlites]

Not sure, some families do not blink an eye about wearing shoes in a household but the members are barefoot or sockfoot every chance they get, kick the shoes off as soon as they get in the door (pair of women's shoes by the front door). Add that the crimes happened between the evening and wee hours of the next morning so he could have been barefoot already. Still quite curious about the nonporous bag and footprint requested....

I go shoeless, my kids tend to keep theirs on longer. It's a personal preference in my house, maybe it was in hers as well.

 

[idfinch]

I see them wearing shoes in the house in some of the videos. Mostly flip flops, but the girls are wearing shoes in some videos.

Huge speculation here. It could just be a matter of preference. The girls could wear shoes, especially Cece, for stability on slippery floors. It is probably tough to tell if Shanann is wearing shoes in the house a lot because she is the one filming the videos?

IMO I always assumed that the crime happened upstairs. I put myself in her position coming home that late, pregnant, exhausted, not feeling too well, being away from home for literally weeks and wanting my own bed. I would come in, kick my shoes off right inside the door (I'd imagine it would be a relief), drop my purse and keys on the counter, grab my phone and head upstairs.

I think whatever happened was in the master bedroom on the bed and it was easiest to drag her and move her in the fitted sheet. I haven't decided whether I believe that she was asleep and he caught her in a choke hold from the back, or if she was laying on the bed and he sat on her facing her with his knees over her arms and strangled her that way to where she couldn't fight or scratch back. I'm heavily leaning towards the second because of the lack of scratches or bites on his face and his arms/hands/wrists, which were all visible in the interviews. I also don't know whether I think she was resting with her guard down or sleeping on her back that way, or if he hit/pushed her or grabbed her wrists and took her down. His upper body strength would be no match for hers, especially when IMO she didn't see it coming.

After a lot of thought, I am choosing not to believe she knew her babies were dead before she died. I am completely split on whether he killed them before she got home or after he murdered Shanann (IMO he did kill them), but I sincerely doubt he would risk letting her know that and hoping to come off without any yelling, screaming and marks of some kind.

I would think the autopsy will clarify both whether she was strangled from the front or from the back, and if she was hit or beaten, and if she has bruising on her wrists or arms, etc. With her not in the oil tanks I would think the evidence would be easier to collect and detect than on those poor babies.

Again, ALL JMO.

 

[mickey2942]

This paper is very interesting to read, about violence against pregnant women.

Statistically, violence against pregnant women is not the first incident of domestic violence, and it is usually more lethal. I wonder if CW had been abusive at all previously. And yes, women are very good at hiding this from friends, family, and pretending with a vigorous fervor that "Every thing is Awesome".