Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Marli61]

I defiantly think it was a location he was supposed to be at for work otherwise it would have raised a red flag. JMO I'll find it hard to believe if there is zero surveillance. I don't work for a oil company but a natural gas and electric company and all our substations have some type of surveillance. MOO

IMO as remote as that site was I doubt it had surveillance.

 

[Marli61]

Those loose ends don’t prove or disprove planning here.

Because of NUA, was have no idea what this scene would have looked like, had he the benefit of more time.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Davia18]

I don't see this being preplanned. Too many things don't add up for it to be preplanned keys, purse, sheets, car, phone, doors locked, etc.,
jmo

IMO it was all pre planned but the delayed flight and NAU messed everything up for him. I believe he would have come home from work and started to clean up, get rid of purse, phone, vehicle, and so on. Then call around to all friends and family and then 911 to report her missing. Of course this is all just my opinion.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Those loose ends don’t prove or disprove planning here.

Because of NUA, was have no idea what this scene would have looked like, had he the benefit of more time.

Right - I'm going with what we know and speculating. JMO

 

[Serena Angelique]

Wow! Perfect info to have. I

There is no evidence that there was already the smell of decomposition.

The theory was that the tanks would conceal the smell, once the decomposition process started.

We of course have absolutely no idea if this thought ever entered his mind.

The tanks were so remote and far away from any main road, on private property that only employees had access to. Also, the bodies were concealed.

IMO unless someone was in that vicinity, there was no reason to go there unless it was work related and it would have been very hard to smell decomposition from the main roads. It was safer in a lot of ways than putting them somewhere remote that passers by might have accidentally stumbled upon.

 

[Marli61]

I'm holding out hope that the autopsy reports provide us with some clues.


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Agree about the autopsy reports. I am so anxious to see that info.
And thank you so much!

 

[MKZoo]

With regard to the oil tanks having sensors, I feel like we’ve been all over the place on what (the girls’ weight/volume/displacement) it would have taken to set them off. I think one reason he chose them was because if those tanks were his responsibility so to speak, he’d be the one to go investigate any sensor problem and “fix”/ reset it. Jmo.

 

[Serena Angelique]

I wonder if there was another oil tank location he was supposed to report to that day as well? Would this be the only site he had to maintain? Perhaps another oil tank elsewhere had levels low enough he could open the big manway? But maybe he had to go to this one first and ran out of time due to NAU calling him. Did she mention the missed ultrasound appointment when he said SW went to a play date? As soon as NAU said to him that SW missed a dr's appointment he would have realized he couldn't stall her (if he was smart). Maybe he went right into plan B (dig a grave) instead of going on to the second site. Was there enough time for him to dig the shallow grave between NAU's first call and the second call where she said she was calling the police?

He said he was coming from the Hudson site when the cops summoned him which is different. The site where the bodies are was about 45 minutes from his house. NUA contacted him at 12:10 but he didn’t get home until over an hour and a half later. IMO not enough time.

 

[gitana1]

He said he was coming from the Hudson site when the cops summoned him which is different. The site where the bodies are was about 45 minutes from his house. NUA contacted him at 12:10 but he didn’t get home until over an hour and a half later. IMO not enough time.

He said that? Interesting.

 

[Mellowmelly]

He may have thought he could control the sites and prevent their discovery in the future. He would know where they were and if there was ever a discovery he would hear about it before the news or possibly even before LE was called, giving him a chance to go on the run. But I think he was so egotistical he thought his plan was brilliant and they would never be discovered. He thought he could fool everyone. He failed big time and was trapped when the police discovered the bedsheet while he was at the police station. MOO.

That would make sense, he thought he had it all under control, but he must have known, even if it took twenty years, eventually they would have been found. He’s obviously not the sharpest tool in the box...

 

[Serena Angelique]

Re the children as 'being unwanted objects', I remember reading somewhere the Shanann was originally supposed to have had trouble conceiving or maintain any pregnancies, because of her ‘health challenges’ (lupus, I think). Perhaps Chris was of the understanding from the outset of their marriage that there most probably never would be any children. Quite happy about that, never wanted any, anyway. Then, lo and behold, Shanann presents him with two children and yet another pregnancy in 6 short years. Yes, maybe he just never warmed to these children at all, and just played the dutiful husband and father role...with no effort. Maybe yet another pregnancy tipped him over the edge. Did we ever see Chris say with his own lips that he was absolutely delighted about this pregnancy? And really wanted a boy? Or was it all via Shananns proclamations? Maybe he just simply didn't want this family orientated lifestyle any more. Over it. Sort of sociopathic, innit!

This has all probably been previously discussed ad nauseum, but I haven't come across any posts in my trawlings of WS, so please forgive. I'm a newcomer!

I agree with you. I think he wasn’t necessarily an enthusiastic father as much as a dutiful one and baby #3 on the way pushed him over the edge. The only thing we have go go on about his wanting another baby is from what SW said. He clearly didn’t want it that badly if he made sure it would never be born.

 

[AlwaysHopeToHelp]

You know, I looked up websites from another country - they contain advices about writing letters to prison. In general, women who write letters to prisoners are different, and the motives can be different.

However, this system, writing letters or emails, to jail, is viewed positively by the community. Think of it. Many people are jailed in this world. Eventually, they will get out and start a new life. For them not to fall into despair and not to grow totally wild, emotionally, letters from the free world, even from the people they might never know, are considered similar to good psychotherapy. People are lacking emotional contact in prison, so letters help, immensely.

I never regarded letters to prison in this light, but I can see the point.

However - it is very sad that instead of supporting some people who were jailed because of stupid actions, drugs, for DUIs, theft, even, something where rehabilitation is possible, the whole world is supporting a man who has killed his wife and kids.

I agree wholeheartedly on their need for human contact but MAN I wouldn't want someone having my return address!! Yikes

 

[PommyMommy]

Re the children as 'being unwanted objects', I remember reading somewhere the Shanann was originally supposed to have had trouble conceiving or maintain any pregnancies, because of her ‘health challenges’ (lupus, I think). Perhaps Chris was of the understanding from the outset of their marriage that there most probably never would be any children. Quite happy about that, never wanted any, anyway. Then, lo and behold, Shanann presents him with two children and yet another pregnancy in 6 short years. Yes, maybe he just never warmed to these children at all, and just played the dutiful husband and father role...with no effort. Maybe yet another pregnancy tipped him over the edge. Did we ever see Chris say with his own lips that he was absolutely delighted about this pregnancy? And really wanted a boy? Or was it all via Shananns proclamations? Maybe he just simply didn't want this family orientated lifestyle any more. Over it. Sort of sociopathic, innit!

This has all probably been previously discussed ad nauseum, but I haven't come across any posts in my trawlings of WS, so please forgive. I'm a newcomer!

I don't think we've hear it from his own lips, but this article may help. He responds to the receipt of an ultrasound photo from Shanann with "Little Peanut!! Love her/him already!!!"
Tragic texts husband sent pregnant wife just months before he killed her and their two daughters | Daily Mail Online

 

[Best of What's Around]

I don't see this being preplanned. Too many things don't add up for it to be preplanned keys, purse, sheets, car, phone, doors locked, etc.,
jmo

There I think we differ. There is evidence already of possible preplanning ---immediate oil tank dumping (that would have been fast thinking!), texts/calls to dead wife, calm demeanor IMO at media interviews and willingness to do them, etc. No shouts, no wounds to him (that we can see). To what you mentioned - keys, purse, phone - planned for later (put in her car and drive it away), doors locked (so no one would enter before he had finished - didn't plan for NUA to show up), sheets - inside - for later disposal and at oil site - oopsy! mistake made due to wind, etc, could not be foreseen. IMO.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

I don't see this being preplanned. Too many things don't add up for it to be preplanned keys, purse, sheets, car, phone, doors locked, etc.,
jmo

I still believe he thought about getting out of at least the marriage for a long time before the murders. Maybe something happend in his mind - it made "click" and for him the situation seemed perfect to end his life as a family man on day x . But even for him everything "happend" too quick and he forgot about the important details.
Maybe the pregnancy was an even bigger trigger to him. Now he felt really trapped with a third child on the way. Maybe one of his APs threatened to end the affair or already ended it and now all the blame was on his family who was simply in his way. He panicked and wanted to put it all to an end right *now*(August 12/13.). Or Shannan learned that he cheated on her - both with men and women and she threatened to tell everybody. And there was absolutly no premeditation just a faltal final argument...

For me it doesn't seem well planned too. That I need to admit.

 

[Serena Angelique]

That would make sense, he thought he had it all under control, but he must have known, even if it took twenty years, eventually they would have been found. He’s obviously not the sharpest tool in the box...

They may not have been found. Had they decomposed in the crude oil, the tissue and bone may have eventually been broken down. I’ve read that the oil is also kept very warm which may have sped the process up.

Often crude oil is mixed with asphalt, and bone fragment isn’t that much different than rocks or other natural items that get into it. Had they stayed in those tanks long enough there is a possibility that they would never have been discovered IMO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I don't think we've hear it from his own lips, but this article may help. He responds to the receipt of an ultrasound photo from Shanann with "Little Peanut!! Love her/him already!!!"
Tragic texts husband sent pregnant wife just months before he killed her and their two daughters | Daily Mail Online

It sounds like he wanted the baby. jmo

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

Until the


It sounds like he wanted the baby. jmo

Or he wanted her to believe that he wanted it... ?

 

[Serena Angelique]

I don't see this being preplanned. Too many things don't add up for it to be preplanned keys, purse, sheets, car, phone, doors locked, etc.,
jmo

That’s merely because he thought he was going to have more time. He never thought the cops would show up at the house less than 12 hours after he took their bodies out. He would have had time to set up a while different scenario had he not been busted so quickly.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Or he wanted her to believe that he wanted it... ?

Who knows???