Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Best of What's Around]

The tanks were so remote and far away from any main road, on private property that only employees had access to. Also, the bodies were concealed.

IMO unless someone was in that vicinity, there was no reason to go there unless it was work related and it would have been very hard to smell decomposition from the main roads. It was safer in a lot of ways than putting them somewhere remote that passers by might have accidentally stumbled upon.

Right, but CW was obviously not a big consumer of crime statistics, because he SHOULD have known, that even with his likely planned "she drove away with the kids and must have been abducted from there" when the car was found, that the Husband/Boyfriend/Father is always a suspect and his whereabouts during anytime after the family was last seen would be scrutinized. But, apparently, he didn't think about that one for very long IMO.

 

[DeeMor]

I agree with you. I think he wasn’t necessarily an enthusiastic father as much as a dutiful one and baby #3 on the way pushed him over the edge. The only thing we have go go on about his wanting another baby is from what SW said. He clearly didn’t want it that badly if he made sure it would never be born.

He made sure, alright.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

He said he was coming from the Hudson site when the cops summoned him which is different. The site where the bodies are was about 45 minutes from his house. NUA contacted him at 12:10 but he didn’t get home until over an hour and a half later. IMO not enough time.

Specifically, he told the detective that he loaded up tools into his truck that he had backed in and left about 5:27 to go to a work site near Hudson. (Source: warrantless affidavit)

I don't believe anywhere in the warrantless affidavit it said where he was coming from that afternoon. My opinion.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Christian Longo described what it was like to strangle his youngest child (age 3). He had already strangled his wife and said it was so horrible to strangle his little girl that he couldn’t do it again to his remaining 2 children.

Instead, he tied weights onto their feet and dropped their sleeping bodies off a bridge into freezing water while they were still alive. Just so he wouldn’t have to strangle them too.

Then he claimed when he was caught that his wife had done that and then he had killed her and her youngest in a rage. Some people actually believed him!

But this case scenario never makes sense which is why CW’s story is so wholly implausible. I too wish people would look at these cases with FA who accuse their spouses of “making them do it” because the mothers murdered their kids first. It’s getting old, and I am tired of having to give any credence to such fabrications all because of the .00001 possibility that it MIGHT have happened that way.

I’m not familiar with the Christian Longo case , but omg what an evil b#¥!&?@, excuse my language. The shock and fear those children must have awoken to, there’s no words..

 

[Best of What's Around]

I agree with you. I think he wasn’t necessarily an enthusiastic father as much as a dutiful one and baby #3 on the way pushed him over the edge. The only thing we have go go on about his wanting another baby is from what SW said. He clearly didn’t want it that badly if he made sure it would never be born.

There is at least one very loving text screen shot shared by SW on FB where he says he "loves that little peanut already!" (IIRC - may have the wording wrong). Now, does that mean he is TRULY excited, or playing a role? That, we don't know.

 

[MassGuy]

It sounds like he wanted the baby. jmo

This man was adept at putting on a mask. If it sounded like he wanted the baby, it could just as easily be an act, as it could be genuine happiness.

Judging by what he did, I don’t think he wanted that baby, or the rest of his family for that matter.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That’s merely because he thought he was going to have more time. He never thought the cops would show up at the house less than 12 hours after he took their bodies out. He would have had time to set up a while different scenario had he not been busted so quickly.

I disagree, I don't think it was planned and IMO he was flying by the seat of his pants.
IMO

 

[human]

I wonder if there was another oil tank location he was supposed to report to that day as well? Would this be the only site he had to maintain? Perhaps another oil tank elsewhere had levels low enough he could open the big manway? But maybe he had to go to this one first and ran out of time due to NAU calling him. Did she mention the missed ultrasound appointment when he said SW went to a play date? As soon as NAU said to him that SW missed a dr's appointment he would have realized he couldn't stall her (if he was smart). Maybe he went right into plan B (dig a grave) instead of going on to the second site. Was there enough time for him to dig the shallow grave between NAU's first call and the second call where she said she was calling the police?

I wonder if there was anything he did not want seen in the house. They did a walk through and nothing was noted, that we know of. He should have told them to break in. Then he could have come home and act like he cared.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Specifically, he told the detective that he loaded up tools into his truck that he had backed in and left about 5:27 to go to a work site near Hudson. (Source: warrantless affidavit)

I don't believe anywhere in the warrantless affidavit it said where he was coming from that afternoon. My opinion.

I thought I saw it in one of the 3 interviews that he gave to the reporters. I will look it up again.

 

[PommyMommy]

He said he was coming from the Hudson site when the cops summoned him which is different. The site where the bodies are was about 45 minutes from his house. NUA contacted him at 12:10 but he didn’t get home until over an hour and a half later. IMO not enough time.

He said that? Interesting.

I don't think that's correct. According to the affidavit, he told Officer Coonrod
he went to a job site near Hudson to check on it. He told Detective Baumhover that he drove off to a work site near Hudson.

Of course, eventually he said he went to CERVI 319 which is in Roggen. Which is near Hudson...

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

MOO

 

[Best of What's Around]

I still believe he thought about getting out of at least the marriage for a long time before the murders. Maybe something happend in his mind - it made "click" and for him the situation seemed perfect to end his life as a family man on day x . But even for him everything "happend" too quick and he forgot about the important details.
Maybe the pregnancy was an even bigger trigger to him. Now he felt really trapped with a third child on the way. Maybe one of his APs threatened to end the affair or already ended it and now all the blame was on his family who was simply in his way. He panicked and wanted to put it all to an end right *now*(August 12/13.). Or Shannan learned that he cheated on her - both with men and women and she threatened to tell everybody. And there was absolutly no premeditation just a faltal final argument...

For me it doesn't seem well planned too. That I need to admit.

True, but that said, looking at the closest cases we can find to this - that were pre-planned, they didn't appear well planned either. I believe that is why it has been said by people who study FAs that they don't tend to think through it all that well so as not to actually get caught. But doesn't mean there was no plan. IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if there was anything he did not want seen in the house. They did a walk through and nothing was noted, that we know of. He should have told them to break in. Then he could have come home and act like he cared.

I think he wanted to stay in control, and part of that was having a presence at the house when the police made entry.

He was likely concerned that they would find something that he didn’t want them to.

It would have sold his story better had he allowed them to break in, but he just couldn’t help himself.

 

[esayer]

Hey all! Guess who got home from work early and am ready to bring you AB LIVE! Got my cat, got my beer, Let's Go!

Today 8 long weeks, still don't know how they died or why, a brand new detail guys! Did he off his family just when life was getting easy?

Another lady 22yo Melissa ... not sure what this has to do with SW...got beat up. They are talking about Melissa rn. Bf facing dm charge, he's fighting back, self defense, she started it...he's going to sue Melissa for destroying rep, incriminating audio tapes...jeez. Somehow this has something to do with CW/SW... They had argument, she was aggressor, he attacked her 'in defense' but he went way overboard. What a loser.

Doesn't add up. Erik's family is wealthy. They have threatened Melissa...People with money can get out of crimes. OK. Ima stop writing about this till I see a correlation. Looks like AB is finally moving away from the Watts story.

OK Here we go. Blind luck that police tracked CW and other things through surveillance video. NEXT!

It's been 8 weeks...nuggets of truth...What was going on outside and next door, Kyle, neighbor's camera, what are we learning? From a source close to the case, the neighbor moved the camera right before the murders trained on the Watts house. They provided crucial evidence. Wow. (I wonder if the neighbor suspected something. They said a week before the murders he moved the camera. Maybe they were fighting before she left for AZ...MOO)

Other neighbors have ring doorbells, and they turned over their cloud recordings and everyone else was urged to that has Ring.

CW had GPS in truck, was he monitored when he was talking to news until he was arrested? Probably. They will know everywhere he was those 2 days. New video of SW, "SW: We couldn't afford vacation, now we went on 2 free trips all because of LaVel and I can earn money when we are away wee!'

This speaks volumes from a woman who loved a man accused of murdering them. Could they help convict CW from beyond the grave or does he have the edge...NEXT!

SW painted full picture of their home life, most made CW look very good, will it go against him in court? They could use SW fb videos as a witness in trial. Is there a way around heresay? None of these videos are being offered for truth of the matter, it's state of mind, because alleging she is responsible will make them able to use the videos and there would be a hearsey (how do u spell that) exception

Vid: SW strong daughters video: 'I want my girls to run the world...' (ugh sad)

Woman who wants the best for her girls and wants their lives to be full and positive..vision board video (I'm not a mom, but I know I would be a really terrible mom if SW is considered a 'bad' mom by people and picking apart her videos that show only sweetness and love)

No way jury would see these vids, and think oh yes, SW did it! CW tied his own noose in blaming SW.

Video: SW, I live for me and my family I live for my kids and myself 'How dare this defendant pin this tragedy on this woman!!?' ~~guest was pretty heated there.

Vid: The 'he's gonna kill me' video, they will use it. (Ehhh, everyone uses that term, IMO). How CW can use videos, NEXT!

SW: He'll do anything I tell him to, he'll do it. Defense could use video, must have a cogent strategy for it to work. Vid SW 'good father video': Defense could use that, this person disagrees about the hersay thing, if defense uses anything it opens up all videos across the board.

SW vid: 'Kids crying video' (I'm sorry but I like these videos, she seems like she's got some self deprecation that's funny) Video could be twisted. AB sees a patient woman, AB loses her cool all the time.

'He's gonna kill me' video...SW says 'bring me the baby, before he's a toddler and I don't want him anymore' (I haven't seen that, but again, SW had a funny, dry sense of humor IMO)

 

[human]

Inside the Mind of Scott Peterson

Thanks! I got it for my iPad. Nighttime reading, I guess.

I will be looking for his traits in everyone I know after I read it. Lol

 

[DeeMor]

It sounds like he wanted the baby. jmo

I'd thought that perhaps he would text some nice words, but he was really fibbing. I'm a skeptic.

 

[human]

He may have thought he could control the sites and prevent their discovery in the future. He would know where they were and if there was ever a discovery he would hear about it before the news or possibly even before LE was called, giving him a chance to go on the run. But I think he was so egotistical he thought his plan was brilliant and they would never be discovered. He thought he could fool everyone. He failed big time and was trapped when the police discovered the bedsheet while he was at the police station. MOO.

How would they ever be discovered?

 

[DeeMor]

It sounds like he wanted the baby. jmo

'Sounds like', but did he!? I have my suspicions that he didn't really. Can't help it.

 

[DeeMor]

'Sounds like', but did he!? I have my suspicions that he didn't really. Can't help it.

Sorry, two posts.

 

[SurvivedTheFire]

Thank you guys so much for allowing me to join your forum! I watch Ashleigh Banfield every night and I am obsessed with this case. It’s amazing everything I have read on here so far. You guys have more insight and information than I have seen covered. I hope I can contribute even a fraction of what I see.

 

[MassGuy]

How would they ever be discovered?

The oil doesn’t stay in those tanks forever, and they are drained and cleaned.