Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Pi Thoughts]

I have recently read a book called Mind Behind The Crime - What Makes Australia’s Worst Killers Tick. Part 1 covers family annihilators and cites a study by Yardley,Wilson and Lynes analysising male FA between 1980 and 2012.

They identify 4 categories of FA but found that a common link was that male FA believe their masculinity has been threatened in some way and they attempt to exert power and control to regain it. Annihilating their family becomes a way of exerting their masculinity when other strategies have failed. They believe they’ve lost control of their family situation and their lives to the point where they irrationally and selfishly think they have no alternative but to kill their children and their wives.

This in MOO is potentially what drove CW to commit these horrendous crimes against his beautiful family.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Thank you, me too. It's a pretty offensive suggestion.

Offended? I never referenced anyone on this site. But studies and statistics show this to be the case. It's also common sense in our society IMO. It's not perfect, and it is hopefully changing, but being aware of implicit bias that cultural norms influence is helpful for us all IMO. In fact, had CW and SW looked different and been from a different neighborhood, they might not even have had a high profile case, and resulting best prosecution and defense the State likely has in that area.

 

[MyBelle]

Not just her wants and needs. HE got healthy, fit and more attractive to others as well as enjoying the trips and other perks of her Thrive biz...Hes the one who chose NOT to live out his "dream" of being a Nascar mechanic. They could have stayed in NC, in HER beautiful home while he found a job he really wanted. She could do Thrive anywhere.

Wasn't it SW's idea to move to CO?

 

[MassGuy]

I think the MLM component as SW threw herself into her business could have factored into the dynamic. It wasn't just her getting really busy at the office or throwing herself into a job that was separate from her personal life. Instead it was the opposite, ramping up efforts to show so many aspects of her daily life, marriage, kids, the whole "lifestyle" aspect. The constant filming, phone always out, camera on, and talking about home life, personal struggles, etc etc etc. It's all part of the MLM script to "succeed,"

But I wonder if he started getting annoyed by the whole thing. If it alienated good friends they had who aren't part of the Thrive tribe. (Like the poster here who unfriended CW on FB because of his social media becoming one big Thrive advertisement.) Obviously he was doing some of the same kinds of posting. I just wonder as CW was an introvert and somewhat socially quiet and awkward, if he was doing it in the beginning to appease her/make money, and then sick of always having to be "on." I would personally hate it if someone kept turning a live camera on me, even if I smiled politely and was able to act enthused for awhile to support their efforts. SW seemed to be in her element which is probably how she could do this successfully for a long time where most people give up.

All of that said, I don't think annoyance at a partner's chosen direct sales/marketing job leads in any way to murder. I just wonder if some of CW's resentment was more about getting sick of the whole posturing/"sharing" of their personal lives than about SW getting busy with her career and feeling successful, etc. But I could just be projecting my own thoughts on that here. (Considering I post or share just about nothing about my life on social media, let alone personal things.)

What's crazy to me is how much CW's overall look and demeanor seemed to change - not just losing weight/jacking up. Even just his mannerisms, demeanor, facial looks seemed to change so much in the past few months from recent years. He did look like he had a more natural, at ease smile and relaxed demeanor. He started looking more steely, cocky, set jaw, etc in past months, like in the oops we're pregnant video.



Mitigation....mediation... inclination....indication... perhaps CW was using talk to text as well.

I agree with you. It’s impossible to say how exactly their relationship changed once she threw herself into her work.

Anecdotally, from what I have seen personally (friends, work colleagues), I think it likely did, and not in a good way.

Whether this factored in, only CW can say. And I wouldn’t trust him to go outside and tell me if it was raining or not.

 

[MassGuy]

IMO there's no comparison between the two.

Except for the fact that they are both trying to sell the viewer something.

 

[tmar]

This thread is getting mighty colorful

It is Spring where I live.
As I look out the window, the lovely colorful blooms, match the colors here.

 

[rainynights]

Some of them might not have been to promote thrive. Either way, I didn't get that warm fuzzy feeling. JMO

bbm

True, there are some videos that wouldn't have been a direct product promotion of Thrive. But it seemed to be that her lifestyle was her brand. Therefore, she really didn't need to have a product in any of her videos, and didn't even need to mention it in order to promote it.

From what I've observed, it's not uncommon nowadays in MLMs to see SM accounts of happy mommies posting sweet family photos, and in about every 5th post they strategically insert a marketing post. Her audience (and some of those are customers, and maybe even recruits) can buy the product from anyone. But they choose to from her, or anyone else in her network. It's all about creating trust, and having others "buy in" to what you represent, and your lifestyle.

So any video she posted, whether or not it was in direct promotion of the product, would have likely been posted by her knowing that it'd complement the brand and lifestyle that she was trying to convey, and that others seemed to know her so well for.

Whatever she was doing, though, seemed to be working, IMO. Seemed like she was really working towards success in the company. Jmo

 

[flourish]

IMO based on reason and professional opinion. In this case, all our experts here say no signs of abuse on the videos. Period. In fact, I believe it has been banned per page 1 rules on this thread but please correct me if I am wrong.

My opinion on them is also based on professional knowledge, education, and experience. In any case, I'm certainly not the only one who has been discussing them, but I'll alert my post for clarification.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It is Spring where I live.
As I look out the window, the lovely colorful blooms, match the colors here.

I'll trade you.....we had our first dusting of snow for the season where I live today.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I wouldn't enjoy being a living "advertisement."

In the few videos I saw CW seemed liked a willing participant and often spoke about the products

 

[tmar]

He obviously didn't mind since he kept dating her. Perhaps he was even drawn to her for that reason, along with her big nice house in NC. Maybe he thought he lucked out finding a beautiful sugarmama. But things didn't work out the way he hoped and he was done with that family. MOO

SW comes to this marriage, with working hard, having a beautiful house.
Wonder how hard CW worked, in the past, what he achieved, and what he brought into this marriage.
Did CW find SW attractive as a partner, because what she could achieve?
MOO.

 

[MKZoo]

you’re right, always a first. -

Your post really triggered me: I know Jason and BW was extremely abusive of him. He had filed.

RIP Tyler and Charlee

I have personal experience with PBA (both in a medical setting and personally) Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) typically occurs in people with neurological conditions or injuries, including Stroke•Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)•Multiple sclerosis (MS)•Traumatic brain injury •Alzheimer's disease•Parkinson’s disease

(My BIL passed from ALS, he declined life prolonging care secondary to the onset of PBA)

There is nothing in CW’s interviews that remotely resemble PBA.

I would actually be interested to know what the reporters were doing in terms of their own facial expressions while we were seeing CW. Were they giving him encouraging smiles to prompt answers, etc? If he did have a hard time with social cues, he may have been in the habit of mimicking. I know a few people who do that and once you realize it is happening, it’s a bit disconcerting and impossible not to notice. Jmo.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I didn't get that loving, happy family feeling from most of the videos. To be honest, it's made me wonder what went on in that house when camera's weren't rolling and behind closed doors so to speak. I'm not saying the video's are so alarming that CPS should have been notified. I don't see anything like that, but I think they portrayed SW in the best light possible and I don't get that warm fuzzy feeling from them.
jmo

That is fair but what about all the friends they have that thought they were a great couple? All staged, too?

 

[Seattle1]

It is Spring where I live.
As I look out the window, the lovely colorful blooms, match the colors here.

And I understand winter came early to Denver Metro - Bella and CeCe would be ecstatic to play in the snow.....

 

[mtnlites]

Not for the prosecution.

And if he hadn't done the interviews then the public would've been like, "OMG, his wife and kids are missing and he dorsn't even care enough to publicly plead for their safe return." When there is a disappearance, it's kind of Disppearing 101 to have a close family member to appeal on TV. When my pregnant sister and my toddler nephew disappeared, LE didn't even give my brother-in-law a choice. They basically said, "You have to put out a message and speak for them. The cameras will be here in 5." We asked what they would have done if he'd refused and the chief said that, during the press conference, they would have stated that he'd refused an interview and that would've made him look bad. So there's that.

 

[PommyMommy]

In the few videos I saw CW seemed liked a willing participant and often spoke about the products

At the very least, he certainly seemed to enjoy the lifestyle getaway vacations. The last one being San Diego, in June of this year, IIRC.
MOO

 

[Golden Girl]

Lol, apparently talk-to-text that does the word mitigation incorrectly again and again and I will have to teach my device to learn the word. Instead of inserting something else. Mitigation is what I meant. LOL

Yes, the original post had to do with the death penalty, and how it requires a mitigation specialist to go through his entire life. LOL

No problem, I guess I'm still confused by the process . . . At what point would a mitigation specialist become involved in the proceeding? Maybe one of our verified attorneys can explain it.

 

[PommyMommy]

And I understand winter came early to Denver Metro - Bella and CeCe would be ecstatic to play in the snow.....

OMG, have you seen this video? Bella was excited to get snow on her birthday.
Shanann Watts

 

[Best of What's Around]

I agree with you. It’s impossible to say how exactly their relationship changed once she threw herself into her work.

Anecdotally, from what I have seen personally (friends, work colleagues), I think it likely did, and not in a good way.

Whether this factored in, only CW can say. And I wouldn’t trust him to go outside and tell me if it was raining or not.

Thanks for the really good laugh! Much needed.

I would tend to agree as MLM is a different bird when it comes to earning a living - and very all encompassing. However, before she did this latest MLM venture, she said she was working at least one full time and one part time job. Tons of hours away from home. And cranky. So maybe at least at first he welcomed her possibly better outlook on life and her ability to be home with the kids so much and him on weekends. At first, at least. Maybe he found out he preferred her gone a lot.

 

[MassGuy]

No problem, I guess I'm still confused by the process . . . At what point would a mitigation specialist become involved in the proceeding? Maybe one of our verified attorneys can explain it.

I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve seen enough Law and Order that I consider myself an expert. Incidentally, I am also a qualified medical professional based on the fact that I have seen every episode of House.

The mitigation expert comes in during the penalty phase. The purpose is to provide evidence that may sway the jury into opting for a lesser punishment (life vs death penalty).