Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[gitana1]

I respectfully disagree based on this filing. That's just my opinion.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/D 039 Notice(1).pdf

I agree. They're fishing for info on prosecution witnesses. This is a way to challenge the state and try to get them to divulge info they are holding back.

 

[Johnny1181]

If there was something "useful" in those reports to the defense they would be demanding a new bail hearing. IMO.

What an excellent point @gitana1 ! I hadn't even thought about that. If there is something in those reports that they supposedly want out so badly,that lends credibility to the defendent's tall tale, surely they would want a new bail hearing. jmo

 

[MassGuy]

What an excellent point @gitana1 ! I hadn't even thought about that. If there is something in those reports that they supposedly want out so badly,that lends credibility to the defendent's tall tale, surely they would want a new bail hearing. jmo

Certainly sounds that way. My guess is that the results aren’t in any way exculpatory, but I’m skeptical that they will contain anything particularly incriminating.

He’s confessed to strangling his wife. The kids were also likely strangled.

I’m not expecting much.

Unless he damaged his kids bodies in the process of dumping them...

 

[Johnny1181]

Certainly sounds that way. My guess is that the results aren’t in any way exculpatory, but I’m skeptical that they will contain anything particularly incriminating.

He’s confessed to strangling his wife. The kids were also likely strangled.

I’m not expecting much.

Unless he damaged his kids bodies in the process of dumping them...

You may be right. The fact that the prosecutor wants them sealed and the defense automatically jumped to their client not getting a fair trial anyway so it doesn't matter does make me wonder.

 

[WildWest]

Yeah, time will tell us for sure. November 19 is quickly approaching.

Can’t wait to see how this unfolds.

I can't believe it's coming up so quickly.

OT, your avatar pic makes me feel happy when I read your posts.

 

[gitana1]

Certainly sounds that way. My guess is that the results aren’t in any way exculpatory, but I’m skeptical that they will contain anything particularly incriminating.

He’s confessed to strangling his wife. The kids were also likely strangled.

I’m not expecting much.

Unless he damaged his kids bodies in the process of dumping them...

That's pretty much where I'm at. It will probably show manner/cause of death but not too much more. No smoking gun DNA or prints or whatever.

 

[molly1255]

Interesting thought, molly1255. I had not considered that SW could have confided all she knew about CW's affairs to a counselor.

No one has brought it up yet, but I have wondered if the cause of SW neck issues leading to her surgery were written down somewhere in her medical records. I recall looking up the condition she had and getting the impression it could be caused by either an injury or a congenital condition. Do we know what caused her neck condition leading to surgery? No matter the cause however, I was thinking that the revelation of SW's neck issues could make CW's method of murder especially heinous in the eyes of a jury-- he knew her neck was especially vulnerable and yet he chose to strangle her. Going after a spouses "Achilles heel" so to speak, makes the murder seem more cold and premeditated rather than something occurring in a fit of rage. JMO.

I don't know if her neck problem was due to an injury or another condition, but your observation is very interesting.

 

[MCDRAW]

The murders of the girls ARE up in the air and CW's confession is evidence. The evidence at autopsy such as DNA may also support his confession. That's my opinion.

I can only speak for myself, if I was a jurior, it would be hard for me to over look the fact that he didn't seek help for his children. Knowing he had killed his wife and unborn child, I couldn't take his word for anything. I would need proof. I'm not sure DNA will be that proof. Too many things in that house had all their DNA on them. Sometimes actions speak louder than words. JMO

 

[MCDRAW]

In your opinion. Which you're entitled to. The opinion that the murderer of Bella and CeCe may have been their loving, pregnant mother. Based on the confession of a murdering, smiling, lying adulterer. You are entitled to that opinion.

Based on the confession of a "man" who supposedly saw his babies being murdered and offered no life sustaining support. Did not call 911. Instead strangled his wife and killed his unborn son Nico.

Based on the confession of a "man" who then loaded the dead bodies of Bella, CeCe, Shannan and unborn Nico into his truck. And drove with them.

Then picked up Bella, or CeCe, we don't know who went first. And climbed all the way up that ladder with her, and dropped her in oil. Then down again, picked up his other daughter, climbed all the way up a different ladder, dumped her, then down again. Or perhaps he decided to dump Shanann and Nico in a shallow grave first. And shovel dirt over them.

Instead of calling 911. Instead of screaming his head off for help.

Based on the confession of a "man" who knowing he had committed these horrific acts, smiled, laughed, and showed off his shirt for the cameras on his porch. Knowing exactly where CeCe, Bella, Shanann, and Nico were. These are the facts we have. jmo

For me, it's hard to get past those facts. His actions were not natural or normal, IF he saw his children being killed.

 

[MassGuy]

I can only speak for myself, if I was a jurior, it would be hard for me to over look the fact that he didn't seek help for his children. Knowing he had killed his wife and unborn child, I couldn't take his word for anything. I would need proof. I'm not sure DNA will be that proof. Too many things in that house had all their DNA on them. Sometimes actions speak louder than words. JMO

Exactly. DNA, in these circumstances, probably doesn’t hold a great deal of significance. It can potentially be explained away by the defense or prosecution (unlikely they would have to).

His actions definitely speak louder than words, and anything else that might work in his favor.

There is simply no getting past what he did, or his laughably insane story.

Those actions may just put him on death row.

 

[Charlot123]

Thank you for posting this, very informative and thought provoking. As much as I feel in my bones that he did this to Shanann, CeCe, Nico and Bella, and I want justice for them, I could not strap him down and inject the death penalty. So I wouldn't require others to.
I think he will get life without parole.

Personally, I would not care if he gets life without parole or death penalty, but for me it is important that a horrible accusation is removed from SW. Because some still believe CW. This process serves not only the justice for SW and her daughters. It serves to restore her innocence. The truth - that SW did not kill or harm her daughters - needs to be established and said loudly during this process.

As long as it is done, I am OK with whatever punishment the jury finds to be the right one for CW.

 

[Charlot123]

Colorado Killer Dad’s Mistress Makes Chilling Revelation: ‘He Tried To Choke Me’

I would not make a huge deal out of it because RADAR, the newspaper that posted it, says, "we pay for juicy information". Such a dirty tabloid, it seems. And the whole article, the style, the choice of words...come on!

There are so many people wanting to make a quick buck. However, it is all unproven. Maybe CW was hooking up with multiple lovers via Tinder, and maybe not. One serious affair with AP would matter more than all these hookups. JMO.

 

[Amandaaa]

If there was something "useful" in those reports to the defense they would be demanding a new bail hearing. IMO.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one

 

[RachB65]

Personally, I would not care if he gets life without parole or death penalty, but for me it is important that a horrible accusation is removed from SW. Because some still believe CW. This process serves not only the justice for SW and her daughters. It serves to restore her innocence. The truth - that SW did not kill or harm her daughters - needs to be established and said loudly during this process.

As long as it is done, I am OK with whatever punishment the jury finds to be the right one for CW.

Its sad that a pregnant woman murdered by her husband needs somehow to have her innocence proven due to lies and deception by said murderer. Its sad that some people actually believe his bs story regardless of his actions, his lies and attempt to hide the bodies of not only his wife but the daughters he was allegedly avenging. He is no different than any other FA, even to the point of using the same tired excuse/defense that his wife killed the children. ALL of those FAs who tried the same defense were later proven to be lying and/or admitted the truth much later, i.e. Christan Longo. Some of the people who seem to believe Shanann killed her daughters seem very intelligent to me so im baffled by his supporters. I wonder how far down the rabbit hole they will go with him, defending him, even after he's been proven to be the sole murderer in the Watts' household that nite. JMO

ETA
If its proven BEYOND a reasonable doubt that Shanann murdered her little girls i will eat my words and apologize to the minority.

 

[Mrspratcher]

14 business days until the status conference!

 

[Savmom]

I wondered about that too—if it could also cover health records of SW and the girls. If SW had just learned or was about to learn she was HIV positive and contracted it from CW, he would have strong motive to silence her before it was discovered or made public.

This has been one of my few theories from the beginning. The possibility that SW contracted something from CW and he eliminated the "proof" before it was made public. DH even suggested this when we first heard about the affair.

That being said, another idea that's been swimming around in my mind was that maybe SW knew about the affair (possibly with multiple partners/different sexes), but instead of getting upset or asking for a divorce, she used it as leverage, told him she would spill the beans unless he kept up the happy family charade. That is definitely a recipe for disaster.

I don't know what to think. Trying to make sense out of a senseless murder is impossible.

 

[RachB65]

I wondered about that too—if it could also cover health records of SW and the girls. If SW had just learned or was about to learn she was HIV positive and contracted it from CW, he would have strong motive to silence her before it was discovered or made public.

This theory doesnt sit right with me if only because there would be no reason then to murder the girls. In a case like that, killing only Shanann, hiding her body and lying to the police that she either up and left him and the girls or she was abducted would seem the better option.
Attempting to have health records sealed would perhaps also be a way to cover up previous findings by medical personnel of possible sexual abuse though. Just a thought.
Or just maybe, simply, he wants any further health issues of Shanann and the girls sealed to downplay more sympathy for the victims. Or perhaps theres some undeniable proof in the records that Shanann, in recent weeks, just did not have the strength, due to Lupus and other conditions, to carry out the strangling deaths of her daughters. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Counting the days until the 19th....Halloween theme

 

[izzies]

Oh my goodness thank you for opening this thread again! I’ve been missing perspectives and analysis of what’s going on from you all.

 

[NuttMegg]

This has been one of my few theories from the beginning. The possibility that SW contracted something from CW and he eliminated the "proof" before it was made public. DH even suggested this when we first heard about the affair.

That being said, another idea that's been swimming around in my mind was that maybe SW knew about the affair (possibly with multiple partners/different sexes), but instead of getting upset or asking for a divorce, she used it as leverage, told him she would spill the beans unless he kept up the happy family charade. That is definitely a recipe for disaster.

I don't know what to think. Trying to make sense out of a senseless murder is impossible.

I think she got a heck of a lot of moral support during the 5-6 weeks of visiting her loving family. IMO she realized she could make as much or more money living with her family, she had started over before, she just didn't need his needy, cheating persona around. I think she was working thru leaving his sorry being, and that's where it was Monday AM when she got back to either finding her babies dead or finding them missing, or they started to discuss a breakup, and guess what, she didn't care as much as he thought she should have. Which enraged him beyond belief. And, I think the AP might have broken up with him that weekend, too, as it didn't seem like he was likely to leave his family.