Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[PommyMommy]

Oh my goodness thank you for opening this thread again! I’ve been missing perspectives and analysis of what’s going on from you all.

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[Shekkiec]

I am really stumped by HIV theories? We know he had unprotected sex with SW. Her ob/gyn would do a panel testing for diseases through blood work and especially if she hadn’t lupus the they would be testing her blood as well. If you are thinking he could’ve have caught it unborn the six weeks and did not know until he got to jail then the prison dr would not do blood work unless some sickness. If he did then the prosecution would know bc his jail records would include this for precautionary steps and medicine to be dispensed. Even guards are aware of Diseases like HIV or Hep to protect themselves and distribute meds. As to steroids, most of these are done on a cycle . Like several weeks long. There are acne breakouts, temperament changes, sex drive changes etc but they are usually ,from my experience with my ex a noticeable change. No one noted a temperament change I would think Thayers would . His interview did not reflect a lack of patience or temperament. Imo .

 

[Mellowmelly]

I am really stumped by HIV theories? We know he had unprotected sex with SW. Her ob/gyn would do a panel testing for diseases through blood work and especially if she hadn’t lupus the they would be testing her blood as well. If you are thinking he could’ve have caught it unborn the six weeks and did not know until he got to jail then the prison dr would not do blood work unless some sickness. If he did then the prosecution would know bc his jail records would include this for precautionary steps and medicine to be dispensed. Even guards are aware of Diseases like HIV or Hep to protect themselves and distribute meds. As to steroids, most of these are done on a cycle . Like several weeks long. There are acne breakouts, temperament changes, sex drive changes etc but they are usually ,from my experience with my ex a noticeable change. No one noted a temperament change I would think Thayers would . His interview did not reflect a lack of patience or temperament. Imo .

Regarding the HIV and the prison not testing him unless he was ill, I’m sure someone on here posted that all prisoners are tested for HIV upon incarceration ? Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I am really stumped by HIV theories? We know he had unprotected sex with SW. Her ob/gyn would do a panel testing for diseases through blood work and especially if she hadn’t lupus the they would be testing her blood as well. If you are thinking he could’ve have caught it unborn the six weeks and did not know until he got to jail then the prison dr would not do blood work unless some sickness. If he did then the prosecution would know bc his jail records would include this for precautionary steps and medicine to be dispensed. Even guards are aware of Diseases like HIV or Hep to protect themselves and distribute meds. As to steroids, most of these are done on a cycle . Like several weeks long. There are acne breakouts, temperament changes, sex drive changes etc but they are usually ,from my experience with my ex a noticeable change. No one noted a temperament change I would think Thayers would . His interview did not reflect a lack of patience or temperament. Imo .

I would agree that nobody noticed any temperament change after he was just party to the annihilation of his entire family. It is amazing how even tempered he was, isn't it?

 

[Shekkiec]

I think she got a heck of a lot of moral support during the 5-6 weeks of visiting her loving family. IMO she realized she could make as much or more money living with her family, she had started over before, she just didn't need his needy, cheating persona around. I think she was working thru leaving his sorry being, and that's where it was Monday AM when she got back to either finding her babies dead or finding them missing, or they started to discuss a breakup, and guess what, she didn't care as much as he thought she should have. Which enraged him beyond belief. And, I think the AP might have broken up with him that weekend, too, as it didn't seem like he was likely to leave his family.

Looking at the NC trip, her posts suggested she wanted to come home, she missed Colorado. She hated the weather it was bad on her health and the girls allergies in the weather too. Her parents I am sure would support her just as I would assume his family would support him. That is usually how divorce works imo. She seemed to love Colorado imo from her posts and love her life there. She even had already enrolled the girls in school there. She came back to Colorado and only one reason imo would be she wanted to. Why leave NC if your plan was to live there? If she made more money then he would maybe not have to pay as much support right? If he was happy with her gone and wanted to be single as some suggest, why be mad she was leaving him? IMP The only logical thing to me seems is she was upset . She was pregnant with two children. She based her business recruitment on lifestyle. She would lose CW as her promoter. She would lose everyone under him as well. If she recruited him early she could lose most of her downline pay. She would lose eligibility of car. She would lose the house if they chose to sell. So I am not understanding the motive for CW based upon these factors . Moo

 

[Mellowmelly]

Looking at the NC trip, her posts suggested she wanted to come home, she missed Colorado. She hated the weather it was bad on her health and the girls allergies in the weather too. Her parents I am sure would support her just as I would assume his family would support him. That is usually how divorce works imo. She seemed to love Colorado imo from her posts and love her life there. She even had already enrolled the girls in school there. She came back to Colorado and only one reason imo would be she wanted to. Why leave NC if your plan was to live there? If she made more money then he would maybe not have to pay as much support right? If he was happy with her gone and wanted to be single as some suggest, why be mad she was leaving him? IMP The only logical thing to me seems is she was upset . She was pregnant with two children. She based her business recruitment on lifestyle. She would lose CW as her promoter. She would lose everyone under him as well. If she recruited him early she could lose most of her downline pay. She would lose eligibility of car. She would lose the house if they chose to sell. So I am not understanding the motive for CW based upon these factors . Moo

I don’t doubt she was upset at just finding out she was pregnant and then finding out her husband had been cheating on her. She may have came back to tie up loose ends, there would have been personal effects to pack, cancellations with doctors and the school ect. I don’t think anyone usually just decides they are moving and just leaves everything behind. JMO

 

[Thepoet]

Thanks so much to MODS for reopening the thread! Whew, I felt like I've been holding my breath. I too promise to behave. So much news and so much portending for next week!

Hi to everyone, I've missed the intellect and the camaraderie.

 

[Thepoet]

You're welcome, but there are many other contributors! Is anyone else having this strange "glad we're back but I have no idea where to start" thing going on?
MOO

LOL! Me too!

 

[Best of What's Around]

Looking at the NC trip, her posts suggested she wanted to come home, she missed Colorado. She hated the weather it was bad on her health and the girls allergies in the weather too. Her parents I am sure would support her just as I would assume his family would support him. That is usually how divorce works imo. She seemed to love Colorado imo from her posts and love her life there. She even had already enrolled the girls in school there. She came back to Colorado and only one reason imo would be she wanted to. Why leave NC if your plan was to live there? If she made more money then he would maybe not have to pay as much support right? If he was happy with her gone and wanted to be single as some suggest, why be mad she was leaving him? IMP The only logical thing to me seems is she was upset . She was pregnant with two children. She based her business recruitment on lifestyle. She would lose CW as her promoter. She would lose everyone under him as well. If she recruited him early she could lose most of her downline pay. She would lose eligibility of car. She would lose the house if they chose to sell. So I am not understanding the motive for CW based upon these factors . Moo

As we see from other male family annihilator cases, the why never seems to make a lot of sense. But usually financial problems, an active extra-marital affair, and fear of being exposed for being less than what they see themselves to be seem to be common threads, which are all possibly apparent here, IMO. We already know he murdered his wife and unborn fetus, dumped them all, and lied to the world that they are missing. No 911 calls that night to save anyone. I only see one person who has both the capability to murder and a reason to lie about it here, IMO.

 

[Backstroke10]

"Colorado law provides that inmates may be tested for HIV without informed consent. Pursuant to state administrative regulations, all inmates must be tested for HIV upon entry to a state correctional facility".

Looks like he was tested upon entry. IMO if CW tested HIV positive then he would not want anyone to know; especially all of his female "fans/admirers" out there. IF he tested positive this could be the reason the defense just recently requested the health records be sealed. JMO

Regarding the HIV and the prison not testing him unless he was ill, I’m sure someone on here posted that all prisoners are tested for HIV upon incarceration ? Correct me if I am wrong.

I posted this (above) in reference HIV testing upon entry into a state correctional facility.

 

[NuttMegg]

Looking at the NC trip, her posts suggested she wanted to come home, she missed Colorado. She hated the weather it was bad on her health and the girls allergies in the weather too. Her parents I am sure would support her just as I would assume his family would support him. That is usually how divorce works imo. She seemed to love Colorado imo from her posts and love her life there. She even had already enrolled the girls in school there. She came back to Colorado and only one reason imo would be she wanted to. Why leave NC if your plan was to live there? If she made more money then he would maybe not have to pay as much support right? If he was happy with her gone and wanted to be single as some suggest, why be mad she was leaving him? IMP The only logical thing to me seems is she was upset . She was pregnant with two children. She based her business recruitment on lifestyle. She would lose CW as her promoter. She would lose everyone under him as well. If she recruited him early she could lose most of her downline pay. She would lose eligibility of car. She would lose the house if they chose to sell. So I am not understanding the motive for CW based upon these factors . Moo

I'm sorry, but I have only looked at a few of her videos, the ones that have occasionally been posted here. The ones I have seen show a loving mother with a sense of humor, not a parent distracted by affairs with co-workers. So I don't place a lot of weight on any you tube videos or those posted elsewhere.
I don't see CW as in integral part of the business she developed for herself and her girls, so she could spend more time with them at home. I wonder how much time he spent away from home with his AP(s?)

 

[NuttMegg]

I don’t doubt she was upset at just finding out she was pregnant and then finding out her husband had been cheating on her. She may have came back to tie up loose ends, there would have been personal effects to pack, cancellations with doctors and the school ect. I don’t think anyone usually just decides they are moving and just leaves everything behind. JMO

Absolutely. I know from experience that the worst thing a woman can do to a man having a tantrum is to say "Ya, see ya later, I'm going to walk the dogs. Hope you calm down". I suspect she said something similar, like "hey Chris, I already know about the AP, and I do want to split, but for now let's go to sleep, I need to work in the morning, and am tired from working all weekend". Which would have infuriated him, being brushed off by her, and most likely (IMO) the AP earlier in the weekend. What would he do without a woman to run the show?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Absolutely. I know from experience that the worst thing a woman can do to a man having a tantrum is to say "Ya, see ya later, I'm going to walk the dogs. Hope you calm down". I suspect she said something similar, like "hey Chris, I already know about the AP, and I do want to split, but for now let's go to sleep, I need to work in the morning, and am tired from working all weekend". Which would have infuriated him, being brushed off by her, and most likely (IMO) the AP earlier in the weekend. What would he do without a woman to run the show?

Yes, sadly we saw exactly how he did without a woman to run the show for him post-murders. It was a disaster on his own, IMO. I think he needed her more than he ever realized, and certainly more than she needed him. Such a tragedy.

 

[Thepoet]

Hello, friend. I think they don't care because they don't feel it's going to matter to their case if it's out now or at the prelim.

But it could hurt the state's case by narrowing the jury pool of people not prejudiced by case info. Like the autopsy report.

More importantly this is a highly adversarial case and they want to fight the state's request to keep it sealed as a means to get information about what possible witnesses could be tainted by the info, as the state claims.

It's like the defense is saying put up or shut up.

In other news I'm very interested in the defense motion to file a motion under seal. Which was granted.

In speaking with my law partner he believes it is about a possible competency determination and setting up for a diminished capacity defense (insanity).

Thanks so much, that helps! Welcome back!

 

[Shekkiec]

I posted this (above) in reference HIV testing upon entry into a state correctional facility.

Denver Sheriff Signs Agreement to Provide HIV Meds to Inmates
Thank you! And they give meds too

 

[gitana1]

You may be right. The fact that the prosecutor wants them sealed and the defense automatically jumped to their client not getting a fair trial anyway so it doesn't matter does make me wonder.

The state wants it sealed because it lessens the pool of available, unbiased jurors to pick from. IMO.

 

[Shekkiec]

I'm sorry, but I have only looked at a few of her videos, the ones that have occasionally been posted here. The ones I have seen show a loving mother with a sense of humor, not a parent distracted by affairs with co-workers. So I don't place a lot of weight on any you tube videos or those posted elsewhere.
I don't see CW as in integral part of the business she developed for herself and her girls, so she could spend more time with them at home. I wonder how much time he spent away from home with his AP(s?)

I am stating downline pay through MLM. It is like a pyramid. So we know CW had Qualified for a car payment which means he was a high level on her downline pay. Imo it is not uncommon to think she may have sold under his name to increase her volume and household business. I can’t see he had much time working full time to do so on his own and she was heavily vested into her business success. Imo most MLM will recruit family first. This increases their level faster. Sadly if that was the case it would be her work and business she would lose under his name. That’s what makes me think he is an important part of her pay level. I am not sure how much time away from home he spent. I know he took care of them while she traveled, her parents did for both of them to travel and his parents did for both of them to travel as well. I recall every interview stating he was a great dad before this so I am assuming through interviews and her media he was not an absentee dad.

 

[kirkassoc]

Looking at the NC trip, her posts suggested she wanted to come home, she missed Colorado. She hated the weather it was bad on her health and the girls allergies in the weather too. Her parents I am sure would support her just as I would assume his family would support him. That is usually how divorce works imo. She seemed to love Colorado imo from her posts and love her life there. She even had already enrolled the girls in school there. She came back to Colorado and only one reason imo would be she wanted to. Why leave NC if your plan was to live there? If she made more money then he would maybe not have to pay as much support right? If he was happy with her gone and wanted to be single as some suggest, why be mad she was leaving him? IMP The only logical thing to me seems is she was upset . She was pregnant with two children. She based her business recruitment on lifestyle. She would lose CW as her promoter. She would lose everyone under him as well. If se recruited him early she could lose most of her downline pay. She would lose eligibility of car. She would lose the house if they chose to sI ell. So I am not understanding the motive for CW based upon these factors . Moo

JMO, of course, but I would think he would have been UNBELIEVABLY upset if she threatened to leave him and remain in the house, plus child support for THREE children. I don't imagine that would leave him much for his "extra-curricular" activities. IMO I believe the handwriting was already on the wall when she got home.

 

[gitana1]

This theory doesnt sit right with me if only because there would be no reason then to murder the girls. In a case like that, killing only Shanann, hiding her body and lying to the police that she either up and left him and the girls or she was abducted would seem the better option.
Attempting to have health records sealed would perhaps also be a way to cover up previous findings by medical personnel of possible sexual abuse though. Just a thought.
Or just maybe, simply, he wants any further health issues of Shanann and the girls sealed to downplay more sympathy for the victims. Or perhaps theres some undeniable proof in the records that Shanann, in recent weeks, just did not have the strength, due to Lupus and other conditions, to carry out the strangling deaths of her daughters. JMO

They would have no grounds for sealing such records as CW isn't the holder of the privilege for SW and as he is charged with their murders, any claim of privilege to protect the girls' records from being revealed, would fail.

This is about his personal health care info only.

 

[Shekkiec]

The state wants it sealed because it lessens the pool of available, unbiased jurors to pick from. IMO.

But the state wasn’t concerned about the jury pool when defense made a motion to investigate leaks right?