Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[idfinch]

Why is it impossible to see SW had a motive? I find it plausible she had several.
1. Divorce
Woman have killed husbands that left them
2.money
She had a lot to lose
The exact reasons CW had motive are the same for her

Not the exact same at all IMO.

1. She didn't kill him. He killed her.

2. She would have very likely gotten primary or joint custody and had a ton of family support plus an income. Losing his Thrive input would have had minimal impact. Financially he'd be hit harder than she would.

Completely opposite. There's no reason for her to kill her daughters?! Him, ok. But the girls, no way.

 

[katydid23]

Why is it impossible to see SW had a motive? I find it plausible she had several.
1. Divorce
Woman have killed husbands that left them
2.money
She had a lot to lose
The exact reasons CW had motive are the same for her

1.She was divorced previously. She didn't kill the guy.

2. The motives don't seem the same for her because she wasn't having affairs and lying to her husband every day about it. That is a big game changer.

 

[NuttMegg]

So SW enrollled them in school and came home trying to plan a getaway ?

As was mentioned earlier, a quick breakup, a quick separation is not normal for a family with kids, a pregnancy, home business, the man having 1 or more affairs, etc. (IMO) Enrolling them in school was the responsible action to take while she worked it out.

 

[katydid23]

So SW enrollled them in school and came home trying to plan a getaway ?

They were enrolled before she knew the reality of his affairs.

 

[idfinch]

This entire discussion would be completely different if SW was the one in jail and charged, and CW plus the girls were dead.

But she's not. And he isn't.

That seems to be getting lost somewhere.

 

[liltexans]

MOD NOTE

Do not start a parenting debate in here again unless you want to find yourself on the outside of this thread looking in without posting privileges.

This post falls at random.

 

[Johnny1181]

Why is it impossible to see SW had a motive? I find it plausible she had several.
1. Divorce
Woman have killed husbands that left them
2.money
She had a lot to lose
The exact reasons CW had motive are the same for her

She's not accused by a lying, cheating murderer of killing her husband due to a divorce. She's unimaginably accused of strangling her babies that she loved.
The divorce theory has come from the same man that dumped his dead family in the backseat of his truck and dumped them in dirt and oil. Rather than try to save his babies.
There's been no credible evidence that she knew he was a lying cheater or that he told her was leaving her.
She was not lying and cheating and betraying her marriage and family. I'd say there is nothing the same at all between the two of them. All JMO

Edited to correct spelling error

 

[gitana1]

(RE: something can still be viewed as “good for the defense”, but not warrant/support a new hearing via Amandaaa)

The first thing that came to my mind was because of the fuss made by the defense over the gathering of DNA on the girls' necks, etc. I wouldn't put it past him one bit to have placed Shanann's hands around the girls' necks after he murdered her, just to bolster that defense if needed. Or as some odd hate-filled symbolism towards his wife. Or (this is WAY out in left field and completely improbable to me) possibly an AP that no one knows about, him putting foreign DNA there in some fashion somehow? Who knows. But none of his DNA on Bella and Cece, or Shanann's or a stranger's DNA there, could be an example.

I fully believe some are waiting for anything at all to exonerate him of murdering his daughters and might actually buy it. Anything other than his DNA and imprints directly on their necks will be "reasonable" doubt to some... and possibly to potential jurors.

ALL JMO.

That would absolutely be exculpatory and definitely warrant a bond hearing.

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[katydid23]

Yes. And knowing that he had called and texted SW's phone after he had killed her and buried her body! He was deliberately, and cold bloodedly, setting the stage for her and the girls "disappearance" for the scenarios!

Can't wait for the jurors to sit and listen to those messages he faked for his dead family.

 

[molly1255]

He says he was for the death penalty until he heard evidence favorable to the defense in the sentencing phase.

There were unique circumstances in this trial and IMO, this juror is using those circumstances to argue against the death penalty.

 

[katydid23]

You are 100% correct. If SW had been a bitter woman, she could have simply refused to sign any paperwork to sell the house, until after the divorce, because she was on the deed. CW would have had to make all the payments until the decree and if he didn't, the house would have gone into foreclosure, and only his credit would have been impacted by this.

SW would have been entitled to equity in the house.

IMO, CW didn't earn enough to pay the mortgage on his own, plus temporary support for the girls. SW could have nailed him badly from a financial standpoint. JMO.

Maybe he realized this, was worried about being in that potential situation, and it was part of his motive to end their lives?

 

[NuttMegg]

Can't wait for the jurors to sit and listen to those messages he faked for his dead family.

And the rationale for not calling 911 to likely help some of them stay alive.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Why is it impossible to see SW had a motive? I find it plausible she had several.
1. Divorce
Woman have killed husbands that left them
2.money
She had a lot to lose
The exact reasons CW had motive are the same for her

Yes, and only one of the two we know already killed that night. Only one immediately went into cover up mode. Only one was still alive yet never called 911. Only one wanted to put his own parents, the grandparents to his children, as well as the whole community through the horror of this family "missing" forever. Only one dumped his children's bodies in crude oil. Only one calmly lied about it through three voluntary media interviews. Only one lied about his affair to LE. I could go on...

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Yes. That may have been why she was posting so much praise of him too. Saying she' missed him, couldn't wait to see him'.

According to the VI, that is why he closed down his FB. Seems to me he didn't want his AP to read that stuff. I think SW was posting it on purpose, to troll the AP.

What is your view on her choosing the name Nico Lee for the baby? I’ve read the AP’s name was Nicole. Do you think there’s anything to that?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Why is it impossible to see SW had a motive? I find it plausible she had several.
1. Divorce
Woman have killed husbands that left them
2.money
She had a lot to lose
The exact reasons CW had motive are the same for her

She might have felt like killing CW given his disgusting behavior,but that's not what happened, and there is NO motive, no way on earth this loving mother could ever have considered harming her children. We watched the ( prophetic) video where she says she would fight anyone who ever jeopardized her child (Celeste) and always protect her. As it happens she got killed doing just that. He is the only one with a wish to leave the marriage and the kids behind,

 

[molly1255]

Why is it impossible to see SW had a motive? I find it plausible she had several.
1. Divorce
Woman have killed husbands that left them
2.money
She had a lot to lose
The exact reasons CW had motive are the same for her

CW had a motive in his pants that SW did not appear to have. He was having an affair. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

but with her travel schedule unlikely she could handle full time custody. She had to put kids in school and she used sitters. Imo it was likely she only had them 4 hours daily since they were in bed by 630.

What was her travel schedule? Bella attended pre-school 2 days a week (2 years ago) and pre-k last year, IIRC. Is there something wrong with the girls going to school? And, from what we've heard, Shanann was not the only one who used sitters, apparently. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

There were no reports of her acting frantic, scared or mad in the hours leading up to her death. She did tell NUA that she was going to need her continued support, as a good friend, because she sensed there were problems in the marriage and knew it was serious.

But no one, of the many who saw her and communicated with her, said she was frantic or angry. She was not feeling well, reportedly.

I doubt SW ever displayed any real emotion about personal problems at her business meetings or with business associates with the exception of NUA who probably knows much more than she has revealed in interviews. JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Possibly not feeling well bc she was upset about Chris. She was looking for a Romantic getaway for them . Again it seems she was actively wanting to save marriage. Imo frantic would happen at home when she found out he was leaving.

And possibly not feeling well because she had low blood sugar or because she had lupus or because she had fibromyalgia or because she was pregnant. Why wouldn't she want to save her marriage? She loved her lying, cheating husband. MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

And the rationale for not calling 911 to likely help some of them stay alive.

Those baby monitors with the cameras, are they in black and white or color?