Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Tippy Lynn]

Then I missed that, but I fail to see what a "possible" lie about nuts has to do with multiple murders. I do see the known lies CW told as being very pertinent to the murders.

For the record, this is just a thought as I have nothing to base my thought or opinion on. However, IMO the purpose of nut gate being brought up was to look at what type of personality a person could have to lie like that.
jmo

 

[Tippy Lynn]

What is an AP?

Affair Party

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Yes, this is true. We don't know the exact relationship of any of the VI's, but Trinket knew both though, and I dont think we have another VI who knew them both. We have 2 VI's that knew SW but not CW well, so are you saying that because they knew SW, their statements have more credence? Or that all statements by VI's can be weighed the same way?

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

I restate, that I am not aware of any CW supporters on this thread. Don't confuse people who need more information as CW supporters because that is not the case.

Yes I think everyone has a right to weigh all VI statements however they wish and of course I’m not saying those who knew SW better have more credence. My point was Trinket chose not to share how he/she knew CW and SW. Therefore for all we know he/she could be CW’s mother or father or aunt, etc., which in that case, yes they knew both of them but a CW family member would obviously be biased towards him. Same for a SW family member.

I stand by believing there are people who need more information and others who are supporters no matter what evidence does or does not come out.

 

[mrjitty]

@molly1255 and @mrjitty, have you reviewed posts made by VI @Trinket78? It is clear in at least one instance, that SW has been less than truthful (Nutgate). Am happy to link to posts if this helps.

Yes I read Trinkets posts but i don't think it alters much

 

[mrjitty]

But lurking in the background is a secret life

Yes - i have personal experience with this.

That's the trouble on using past history to judge these cases.

 

[Tortoise]

JMO, but I think CW may have had an issue with his father, and I think that may be relevant in the context of his motive for committing these murders.

He asked to speak to his father before telling his version. I think that shows his need to get his father on board and convince him. I think that is unusual in a man of CW's age, to need to persuade his father. It is an assumption I am making based on knowing that his father would get to hear what his version was like the rest of us did anyway. I think he had a need to justify himself personally to his father, which suggests a huge dependency on what his father thinks and possibly a feeling underpinning that of not meeting father's expectations.

If I juxtapose that with CW killing his entire family, and trying to set a scene in which they had all left him, it may be that he could not face his father's reaction to him abandoning Shanann, their future unborn son, and his daughters for a new partner. Extreme, but I believe that he hadn't cut the cord so to speak and my opinion is that a strong attachment to parental judgment can point to unresolved and troubling issues stemming from childhood.

This post isn't intended to cast any blame towards his parents.

 

[NuttMegg]

For the record, this is just a thought as I have nothing to base my thought or opinion on. However, IMO the purpose of nut gate being brought up was to look at what type of personality a person could have to lie like that.
jmo

You mean the dead woman? What kind of personality she had to care about her kids eating nuts? When her husband is charged with murdering the whole family, desecrated the bodies, lied about their whereabouts, lied about seeing the kids on baby monitors as he went off to work, lied about Shan'nan being in bed, lied about them possibly being kidnapped through the back yard, on and on and on, while all of the grandparents were in anguish? You are questioning the "personality" of the murdered woman?

 

[NuttMegg]

What is an AP?

2 APs have come forward publicly, a man who claims to have had a sexual relationship with CW on and off for 10 months, and a woman who claims to have had an affair with him, and another one who is said to be a co-worker of CW and is said to be co-operating with LE.

 

[Nikynoo]

Then I missed that, but I fail to see what a "possible" lie about nuts has to do with multiple murders. I do see the known lies CW told as being very pertinent to the murders.

My point was in relation to any possible mud slinging against SW in any trial

Then I missed that, but I fail to see what a "possible" lie about nuts has to do with multiple murders. I do see the known lies CW told as being very pertinent to the murders.

It may have everything to do with it.

 

[mrjitty]

You mean the murdered woman? What kind of personality she had to care about her kids eating nuts? When her husband killed the whole family, desecrated the bodies, lied about their whereabouts, lied about seeing the kids on baby monitors as he went off to work, lied about Shan'nan being in bed, lied about them possibly being kidnapped through the back yard, on and on and on, while all of the grandparents were in anguish? You are questioning the "personality" of the murdered woman?

As an aside, the law specifically warns against this kind of "propensity reasoning" with respect to accused.

In general the line of thinking that "s/he is the kind of person who would do this" is fraught with danger

We have to be very careful about jumping from social media posts to murder.

 

[Nikynoo]

What is an AP?

Affair Person

 

[Nikynoo]

As an aside, the law specifically warns against this kind of "propensity reasoning" with respect to accused.

In general the line of thinking that "s/he is the kind of person who would do this" is fraught with danger

We have to be very careful about jumping from social media posts to murder.

I agree. Rabbit holes come to mind, and this case has fallen into lots of rabbit holes because of SM posts. However, once you have seen them, you can't unsee/ignore them.

 

[mrjitty]

2 APs have come forward publicly, a man who claims to have had a sexual relationship with CW on and off for 10 months, and a woman who claims to have had an affair with him, and another one who is said to be a co-worker of CW and is said to be co-operating with LE.

Interesting.

 

[mrjitty]

I agree. Rabbit holes come to mind, and this case has fallen into lots of rabbit holes because of SM posts. However, once you have seen them, you can't unsee/ignore them.

This was before my time - but I understand its against TOS

I prefer to wait for the actual trial evidence and not let curiosity get the better of me!

 

[NuttMegg]

JMO, but I think CW may have had an issue with his father, and I think that may be relevant in the context of his motive for committing these murders.

He asked to speak to his father before telling his version. I think that shows his need to get his father on board and convince him. I think that is unusual in a man of CW's age, to need to persuade his father. It is an assumption I am making based on knowing that his father would get to hear what his version was like the rest of us did anyway. I think he had a need to justify himself personally to his father, which suggests a huge dependency on what his father thinks and possibly a feeling underpinning that of not meeting father's expectations.

If I juxtapose that with CW killing his entire family, and trying to set a scene in which they had all left him, it may be that he could not face his father's reaction to him abandoning Shanann, their future unborn son, and his daughters for a new partner. Extreme, but I believe that he hadn't cut the cord so to speak and my opinion is that a strong attachment to parental judgment can point to unresolved and troubling issues stemming from childhood.

This post isn't intended to cast any blame towards his parents.

Over several days the his story changed from trying to convince people she ran away with her children or someone "took" her, to telling LE he would only tell the truth if he could consult with someone face to face....THEN he would tell the truth.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

You mean the murdered woman? What kind of personality she had to care about her kids eating nuts? When her husband killed the whole family, desecrated the bodies, lied about their whereabouts, lied about seeing the kids on baby monitors as he went off to work, lied about Shan'nan being in bed, lied about them possibly being kidnapped through the back yard, on and on and on, while all of the grandparents were in anguish? You are questioning the "personality" of the murdered woman?

My post was clearly explaining the reason why I thought another poster mentioned nut gate. I never questioned or gave my opinion on the murdered woman.

 

[Nikynoo]

Yes, they have. I do find it interesting that they are no longer talking to the media, either. I'm not sure what that might mean, but I imagine we'll learn, and will also learn if there were other AP's, too.

I would guess tht it means that either:
1. - they were making it all up; or
2. - it is true and if thats the case, they will be witnesses, so should not talk to the media.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

But Tricia corresponded with someone who was there, who confirmed that SW version was not accurate. So that's 2 different people have confirmed that version as incorrect.

Well we don’t really know if it’s two different people. Not that it matters. Of course CW family is biased, they want to save him and protect his reputation. Same for SW family. I’m sure they have nothing nice to say about CW now and they also just want to protect SWs reputation. We can’t really talk about family on here but it’s human nature for both families to protect their loved ones. So anything they say can be believed or taken with a grain of salt. Everyone can make their own decision on that.

 

[Nikynoo]

You mean the murdered woman? What kind of personality she had to care about her kids eating nuts? When her husband killed the whole family, desecrated the bodies, lied about their whereabouts, lied about seeing the kids on baby monitors as he went off to work, lied about Shan'nan being in bed, lied about them possibly being kidnapped through the back yard, on and on and on, while all of the grandparents were in anguish? You are questioning the "personality" of the murdered woman?

@NuttMegg it was me who raised this issue to show that SW was less than truthful about this event.

To be clear, I am not slinging mud, I am just stating a fact.

 

[Nikynoo]

Well we don’t really know if it’s two different people. Not that it matters. Of course CW family is biased, they want to save him and protect his reputation. Same for SW family. I’m sure they have nothing nice to say about CW now and they also just want to protect SWs reputation. We can’t really talk about family on here but it’s human nature for both families to protect their loved ones. So anything they say can be believed or taken with a grain of salt. Everyone can make their own decision on that.

OK , thats fine, but how do you know that it was a member of CW's family that Tricia corresponded with? It could just as easily have been someone neutral or someone from SW's own family.

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26