Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Scrapper18]

1. He couldn't and didn't see Bella blue, IMO. They had separate bedrooms, but we don't know for a fact where he murdered them.

2. We don't know if they were in the same room. IMO, they were each in their own beds, in their own rooms.

3. See attached links. Bella and CeCe both had medical issues that would necessitate the use of a monitor. Additionally, it was a large, 2-story house. If SW or CW were downstairs in the kitchen or one of the living room areas, a monitor would be very helpful.

Video from SW's Facebook:
Shanann Watts

Clip from Ashleigh Banfield regarding the baby monitor.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=280073522825085

Thanks for the videos, watched them. Brought up another question in my mind. Watching the monitor, if one of the girls did have a seizure, heart stopped or breathing stopped, I would not know. I might detect
a seizure if I’m right at the monitor. If I’m asleep, the video does nothing for me. So now I question, did the monitor have oxygen and heart rate monitors, did it alert when they dropped? If they did, wouldn’t the monitor alert when SW was allegedly strangling them? CW didn’t mention an alarm going off. JMO, I think it puts another hole in his story.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I don't think it's hard to believe she would be up hashing it out. Ending a marriage is a life changing event. I don't think many people would be able to push it aside and sleep.
jmo

If SW was not expecting CW to want to end their marriage for good, I personally do not believe she would immediately (within minutes) of hearing this, in the middle of the night, believe all was lost and take any drastic measures, much less murdering her children (as opposed to striking out directly against CW). She was strong willed and has been stated here, felt she was persuasive with CW. I believe she would have been very upset, but I do not believe a 15-30 minute conversation in the middle of the night would convince her it was over for good. We've seen no evidence he had served her with divorce papers, consulted a divorce attorney, or even moved his things out of the house. IMO, it wouldn't have been "real" yet for her, even given his version of events.

 

[Thepoet]

I don't think it's hard to believe she would be up hashing it out. Ending a marriage is a life changing event. I don't think many people would be able to push it aside and sleep.
jmo

But, she wasn't up hashing it out. If you believe CW, SW came home and went to bed and then at 4:00 (at first he said 5:00) either she woke up, or he woke her up, for an "emotional discussion". Nothing about that makes sense. If it was that important then it would have been done when she arrived home. If she went to bed, it could wait and she would sleep. She was tired, sick, 15 weeks pregnant, and had just endured the stress and aggravation of a 3 hour flight delay. To me, any rage would be because of being woken up. LOL!

 

[Deleted member 182072]

If SW was not expecting CW to want to end their marriage for good, I personally do not believe she would immediately (within minutes) of hearing this, in the middle of the night, believe all was lost and take any drastic measures, much less murdering her children (as opposed to striking out directly against CW). She was strong willed and has been stated here, felt she was persuasive with CW. I believe she would have been very upset, but I do not believe a 15-30 minute conversation in the middle of the night would convince her it was over for good. We've seen no evidence he had served her with divorce papers, consulted a divorce attorney, or even moved his things out of the house. IMO, it wouldn't have been "real" yet for her, even given his version of events.

Exactly. Even if Shanann was irate with him, the only things that might have ended up in garbage bags would have been his expensive sports fan apparel she bought for him, but she really doesn't even strike me as spiteful enough to do that to his clothes. JMO

 

[katydid23]

If SW was not expecting CW to want to end their marriage for good, I personally do not believe she would immediately (within minutes) of hearing this, in the middle of the night, believe all was lost and take any drastic measures, much less murdering her children (as opposed to striking out directly against CW). She was strong willed and has been stated here, felt she was persuasive with CW. I believe she would have been very upset, but I do not believe a 15-30 minute conversation in the middle of the night would convince her it was over for good. We've seen no evidence he had served her with divorce papers, consulted a divorce attorney, or even moved his things out of the house. IMO, it wouldn't have been "real" yet for her, even given his version of events.

EXACTLY. In the cases I have been reading, of women who killed their children, to get back at their husbands---the separations were ongoing. Much time had passed and the resentment had been building. And the women had mental health issues and had acted strangely and with extreme behavior beforehand.

In the Lemark case, where the woman killed her 3 young children, her husband had moved in with a coworker, just around the corner. And Mom would see his car parked there every day. And she had been extremely anxious, seen shaking and crying at her children's school the day before. etc etc

That is not the case here.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think it's hard to believe she would be up hashing it out. Ending a marriage is a life changing event. I don't think many people would be able to push it aside and sleep.
jmo

why would he wake her at 4 am to 'end' their marriage? What was his big rush?

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

Even if this story was true and they had an emotional discussion. For me it doesn't shed a good light on him either. I find it kind of cruel to confront your pregnant wife after a long weekend and an exhausting flight trip with the fact that you would like to seperate from her. He than just could have waited to start this discussion later that day and let her at least have some rest.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

why would he wake her at 4 am to 'end' their marriage? What was his big rush?

I don't know if he woke her up, she woke him up, if she went to bed or if she went to bed and never got up. However, considering the circumstances I think it's possible they had an emotional conversation at 4am.
jmo

 

[MassGuy]

why would he wake her at 4 am to 'end' their marriage? What was his big rush?

He wouldn’t. He didn’t.

It’s another convenient lie, told for the purpose of misdirecting the investigation.

 

[Tortoise]

The timeline is just not credible for the killings of three family members and what to do about it afterwards, to have been unplanned, IMO. Even the consideration of neighbor's cameras, noticing what minute she arrived home and what time it was when he left, loading tools, taking the sheet, and calculating he could still get to work on time, required a cool mind IMO.

 

[Thepoet]

I don't know if he woke her up, she woke him up, if she went to bed or if she went to bed and never got up. However, considering the circumstances I think it's possible they had an emotional conversation at 4am.
jmo

Never gotten up? Well, if she did what he accused her of, she would have gotten up. What circumstances do you think made an emotional discussion possible at 4;00 A.M.? What circumstances that trumped lack of sleep, illness and/or discomfort, him going to work in a couple of hours, and school starting?

 

[MassGuy]

The timeline is just not credible for the killings of three family members and what to do about it afterwards, to have been unplanned, IMO. Even the consideration of neighbor's cameras, noticing what minute she arrived home and what time it was when he left, loading tools, taking the sheet, and calculating he could still get to work on time, required a cool mind IMO.

I’m not disagreeing that this was premeditated, but pointing out that this doesn’t have to be, based on his actions.

His psychology may lend itself to being calm under this type of pressure, allowing him to think somewhat clearly.

Most people would panic after committing a crime like this, but maybe he wasn’t affected like most other people. Unemotional.

At the very least, I think he “gamed this out” in his mind beforehand.

They could have argued that night, he killed Shanann, then he decided that he had to go the distance.

He simply carried out the plan that he had contemplated beforehand.

So it didn’t have to be entirely planned, atleast for murder to be committed on this night.

It doesn’t make him any less culpable of course.

 

[nwmouse]

Exactly. Even if Shanann was irate with him, the only things that might have ended up in garbage bags would have been his expensive sports fan apparel she bought for him, but she really doesn't even strike me as spiteful enough to do that to his clothes. JMO

Its also likely that SW was aware he was being unfaithful.

A woman knows, and his new behaviors, like getting buff, dressing differently and being less affectionate with the girls were all warning signs.

Its a pity he didn't end up in the garbage because he sure treated others like rubbish to be tossed away.
MOO

 

[esayer]

The timeline is just not credible for the killings of three family members and what to do about it afterwards, to have been unplanned, IMO. Even the consideration of neighbor's cameras, noticing what minute she arrived home and what time it was when he left, loading tools, taking the sheet, and calculating he could still get to work on time, required a cool mind IMO.

Yes that's why I've always believed the girls were long dead before SW got home and their 'emotional conversation' was about her seeing the girls dead or not being able to find them when she arrived home.

 

[JEM1975]

I just thought of something.....is it possible that SW didn't plan to go to sleep when she got home since BW was starting school that day and she had a doctor appointment? Just a thought.....

 

[katydid23]

I don't know if he woke her up, she woke him up, if she went to bed or if she went to bed and never got up. However, considering the circumstances I think it's possible they had an emotional conversation at 4am.
jmo

It doesn't make sense that she wouldn't have gone to bed. It was 2 am. Her return flight was delayed by hours. She had been ill for 2 days. She was pregnant. She had just spent days working hard at a convention, which is very draining. How would she not be totally exhausted?

 

[MassGuy]

I just thought of something.....is it possible that SW didn't plan to go to sleep when she got home since BW was starting school that day and she had a doctor appointment? Just a thought.....

It’s possible I suppose. I think it’s likely that she would have tried to get whatever sleep she could though, even if it was a couple hours.

 

[katydid23]

I just thought of something.....is it possible that SW didn't plan to go to sleep when she got home since BW was starting school that day and she had a doctor appointment? Just a thought.....

But it was only 2 am. She could have slept for 5 or 6 hours ,or more, before she needed to be up for those things. Why stay awake?

 

[nwmouse]

I just thought of something.....is it possible that SW didn't plan to go to sleep when she got home since BW was starting school that day and she had a doctor appointment? Just a thought.....

I think she'd be so exhausted from her pregnancy, having Lupus and being delayed by her flight she would have wanted to catch an extra few zzzz as she had a busy day. Pregnant women often need more sleep.
MOO

 

[RachB65]

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Never gotten up? Well, if she did what he accused her of, she would have gotten up. What circumstances do you think made an emotional discussion possible at 4;00 A.M.? What circumstances that trumped lack of sleep, illness and/or discomfort, him going to work in a couple of hours, and school starting?

I believe school wasnt starting until the following Monday