Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Only4Justice]

Wonder why it moved up 2 weeks? Could it mean he might be taking a plea?

I sure hope so.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

ITA. Sleep disturbances are also pretty common in those with fibromyalgia. I wonder if there were any sleep medications in the household and if either parent took them or gave them to the children.

Fibromyalgia and Sleep

At this point, I wouldn’t rule it out.

 

[nwmouse]

RSBM

This is where I struggle. Was he ever checked in, so to speak? How does a person change so much, and was he always a psychopath? This case, and others like it, are so hard to understand. Rage or anything like it does not explain how he put his hands on his own trusting daughters (IMO).

IMHO, CW was a shadow imitating being human. He could mimic it but not FEEL it the way normal, non-homicidal humans feel it. I cannot comprehend how anyone, let alone a husband/daddy, could strangle his toddlers and watch the light fade from their eyes as they looked at him whilst he killed them. They were his flesh and blood so in essence he was destroying himself. Nope, cannot even go there.

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

 

[PommyMommy]

Wonder why it moved up 2 weeks? Could it mean he might be taking a plea?

Well, I was about to say I have no idea, but I found this.

Hearing For Chris Watts, Man Accused Of Murdering Wife, Children, Moved Up
A status hearing for Chris Watts, the Frederick man accused of murdering his pregnant wife and two young daughters, was moved up in Weld County Court.

A spokesperson for the Weld County District Attorney’s Office said Watts would appear on Election Day, Nov. 6, instead of the previously scheduled Nov. 19 court date.

 

[MassGuy]

IMHO, CW was a shadow imitating being human. He could mimic it but not FEEL it the way normal, non-homicidal humans feel it. I cannot comprehend how anyone, let alone a husband/daddy could strangle his toddlers and watch the light fade from their eyes as they looked at him as he killed them. They were his flesh and blood so in essence he was destroying himself. Nope, cannot even go there.

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

I agree. I think his entire life was a facade, a carefully crafted image that he wanted to portray to the world.

His relationships would have been superficial, and no one would have really known the real CW.

People saw only what he wanted them to see. This would have included Shanann, who only saw the evil that he was capable of, when it was too late.

He’s not fooling anyone now.

 

[MassGuy]

Well, I was about to say I have no idea, but I found this.

Hearing For Chris Watts, Man Accused Of Murdering Wife, Children, Moved Up
A status hearing for Chris Watts, the Frederick man accused of murdering his pregnant wife and two young daughters, was moved up in Weld County Court.

A spokesperson for the Weld County District Attorney’s Office said Watts would appear on Election Day, Nov. 6, instead of the previously scheduled Nov. 19 court date.

This is both curious and exciting. @gitana1, what do you think?

 

[Tortoise]

So interesting that he asked to see his father, before "confessing".

 

[MyBelle]

It has happened. One case was that mother who picked up her kids for her first day of unsupervised custodial time with them, saying she had a surprise for them. She took them to an abandoned house and slit their throats. One died and one survived.

But here's the thing- universally in these cases where women have done this after the husband tries to separate or files for divorce, there is IMMEDIATE evidence (it comes out within days) that the mother in question had serious psych issues and/or evidence of lack of stability and rage problems in the weeks or months leading up to the murders.

And I don't mean, "Oh she said she had fibromyalgia which isn't a real illness. So she must be capable of this." Or "She talked in a promotional video about being in a dark place years ago and feeling suicidal after being diagnosed with a chronic and difficult disease".

Nope. I'm talking about recent and ongoing calls to 911 over and over due to attacks and threats to do harm, involuntary and/or voluntary hospitalizations due to mental health breaks, intensive domestic violence, hardcore drug/alcohol issues, psychosis, or threats to take the children away if the husband leaves. Some were in the middle of custody battles, had lost custody or were losing ground in on-going cases and one had just been served that day with papers. That kind of thing.

In the Debra Jeter case, for example, she had attempted suicide in front of her daughters just 15 days or so before, leading to her hospitalization and a temporary restraining order.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ce87193d-8ae9-5eb8-8ed0-587a6cc9032e.amp.html

Christy Sheets who killed her two daughters in front of her screaming husband had made several suicide attempts in the three years leading up to the murders and was in current treatment for her mental health.

Julie Schenecker had serious mental health issues and was drinking and acting erratically prior to the murders of her two kids. She was seeing a psychiatrist and her husband felt she wasn't safe around the kids.

Isabel Martinez had been depressed and acting bizarrely with odd outbursts that alarmed neighbors in the weeks leading up to her murder of her husband and for of her kids and attack of a remaining child.

Jessica Edens who killed her ex's girlfriend, her two kids and herself, had been harassing her ex and the girlfriend and there has been several welfare check calls and other calls to police by the ex in the days leading up the murders. He felt the kids were in danger.

Studies are clear that mothers who kill their kids typically have on going mental health issues- frequent depression, psychosis, prior mental health treatment, and suicidal thoughts - while fathers who kill their kids may not:

Child murder by mothers: patterns and prevention

Every case is unique and--as the prosecution proved and the jury concluded--Marilyn Lemak was not insane at the time she murdered her three children. That was long bef

I believe any parent who murders their own child is suffering from a mental illness whether it has been diagnosed or not. Marilyn Lemak told the 911 operation she hurt herself and her children because her husband had left her. Media pundits hotly debated the role mental illness plays in murders of children. Marilyn did not display obvious signs of serious mental illness prior to the murders of her children.

We do not know the mental health histories of the Watts parents but that also does not mean they had no mental health issues.
JMO

Insanity or vengeance?

 

[Only4Justice]

I agree. I think his entire life was a facade, a carefully crafted image that he wanted to portray to the world.

His relationships would have been superficial, and no one would have really known the real CW.

People saw only what he wanted them to see. This would have included Shanann, who only saw the evil that he was capable of, when it was too late.

He’s not fooling anyone now.

I disagree on one point. Shanann seems very smart and I believe she saw glimpses of this throughout the marriage.

I did the same thing with my ex that she did. I always tried to pump him up. To make him believe I really loved him.

I swore after Laci that I would not do this again. But here I am. I think of all of their beautiful faces. Shanann. Bella. CeCe.

 

[Asevario]

Wonder why it moved up 2 weeks? Could it mean he might be taking a plea?

Frederick homicide suspect Chris Watts to appear Tuesday in Weld District Court
The Weld District Attorney's Office announced late Friday that Frederick triple murder suspect Christopher Watts will appear Tuesday in Weld District Court for a status conference.

The hearing is scheduled for 30 minutes beginning at 2 p.m. in Division 17. The district attorney's office didn't release any other information.

Watts wasn't scheduled to return to court until 10:30 a.m. Nov. 19 for a status conference in Division 16. That court appearance remained on the docket as of Friday afternoon.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...strict/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/18cr2003.pdf

I am just getting home from work and trying to catch up, but the article above shows 2 different districts? Does anyone know which district the autopsy matter is and and which district the criminal matter is in? It’s been a long week, and I’m being a bit lazy, I guess... but y’all are so smart and have the answers so much more quickly that I thought I’d ask here!

 

[MassGuy]

I disagree on one point. Shanann seems very smart and I believe she saw glimpses of this throughout the marriage.

I did the same thing with my ex that she did. I always tried to pump him up. To make him believe I really loved him.

I swore after Laci that I would not do this again. But here I am. I think of all of their beautiful faces. Shanann. Bella. CeCe.

Yeah. I see what you’re saying. I don’t think she was oblivious to these things, but I do think it’s probable that she never thought he was dangerous.

 

[Tortoise]

A while back I watched part of a video of CW talking about relationships. It seemed to be a presentation or assignment of some sort. Does anyone know why he made that video?

 

[ZsaZsa]

ITA. Sleep disturbances are also pretty common in those with fibromyalgia. I wonder if there were any sleep medications in the household and if either parent took them or gave them to the children.

Fibromyalgia and Sleep

Shanann has talked on Facebook about how her children were " sleep trained" ie she didn' t rock or cradle them, she put them down and they went to sleep. I wouldn't put it past CW doping them though, since we know by his subsequent actions how much he loathed them.

 

[Only4Justice]

I have never thought much about the bedtime. My Mom did that too .

Kids get worn out and especially if they are used to getting up early am.

 

[PommyMommy]

I am just getting home from work and trying to catch up, but the article above shows 2 different districts? Does anyone know which district the autopsy matter is and and which district the criminal matter is in? It’s been a long week, and I’m being a bit lazy, I guess... but y’all are so smart and have the answers so much more quickly that I thought I’d ask here!

Watts Calendar
11/6/2018 2 pm, Div 17 - Chris Watts, 30-minute Status Conference, Judge Kopcow, Case# 18CR2003

12/21/2018 9:00 am, Div 4 - The Greeley Tribune, Petition to seal autopsy reports, Judge Taylor, Case# D622018CV30907

 

[Asevario]

Watts Calendar
11/6/2018 2 pm, Div 17 - Chris Watts, 30-minute Status Conference, Judge Kopcow, Case# 18CR2003

12/21/2018 9:00 am, Div 4 - The Greeley Tribune, Petition to seal autopsy reports, Judge Taylor, Case# D622018CV30907

Ahhh.... May have been a typo in the other post. Thanks PommyMommy!

ETA- I don’t know why I am expecting the autopsies to give some kind of clarity and viable evidence. Maybe I have CSI Syndrome, but I wasn’t hoping for an earlier date for a decision to be made on the release. Wishful thinking. Sad that it’s right there at the Christmas holiday, too, if they are released to the public then, the families will have to rehash it all over again.

 

[MyBelle]

Shanann has talked on Facebook about how her children were " sleep trained" ie she didn' t rock or cradle them, she put them down and they went to sleep. I wouldn't put it past CW doping them though, since we know by his subsequent actions how much he loathed them.

The parents continued to use a baby monitor so my guess is that the children didn't always stay asleep through the night. JMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

The parents continued to use a baby monitor so my guess is that the children didn't always stay asleep through the night. JMO

That may be the case, but Shanann observes what they are doing and does not intervene to get the girls back to sleep if they wake. They amuse themselves as trained, and eventually go back to sleep. Since you brought it up though, I do think it possible that CW might have doped them if he needed alone time with AP when Shanann was away working. It would be interesting to see what was in his half of the medicine cabinet.

 

[NuttMegg]

The parents continued to use a baby monitor so my guess is that the children didn't always stay asleep through the night. JMO

maybe they just like the feeling of looking at their babies at any moment of the night. Shan'nan, that is. I doubt it gave CW anything but a feeling of resentment for the albatrosses around the neck that they were to him. Having to begrudgingly give them time he could be spending with his clandestine lovers.

 

[Seattle1]

Watts Calendar
11/6/2018 2 pm, Div 17 - Chris Watts, 30-minute Status Conference, Judge Kopcow, Case# 18CR2003

12/21/2018 9:00 am, Div 4 - The Greeley Tribune, Petition to seal autopsy reports, Judge Taylor, Case# D622018CV30907

Wonder if it's the Tribune typo. Their article references Division 17 for Tuesday hearing, and that hearing was previously scheduled in Division 16.

The actual hearing Notice cites District 19, Division 17.

Frederick homicide suspect Chris Watts to appear Tuesday in Weld District Court