Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[gitana1]

Is a status hearing also where a request for bond would be made?

Not usually. They would request a bond hearing.

 

[cailleach]

Re: Bond. Not only can I not imagine the judge granting it but his counsel has to be wise enough to know he's safer in jail than out on the street. He's not wealthy enough to afford 24/7 protection.

 

[Breesee03]

I do think there are truths mixed in with his lies. Perhaps when SW came home CW was in the loft area waiting for her to have an “emotional conversation”. Maybe he asked her to sit on the couch and then attacked her which is how her phone became lodged in the couch?

I think the poor babies were already dead before SW got home. I think that because of the timing of it all. So much to do between 2am and 5am in order to be out the door with all dead bodies stuffed in his truck.

I recall when Longo provided his revised confession from prison in which he admitted to killing all of them, he mentioned how hard it was to strangle the 2 y/o. That her “tiny neck” in his hands made it difficult for him to want to do that to his other children. I would think in order for CW to have murdered all 3, by strangulation, and pack up everything by 5am means the babies would have been killed before SW got home. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Re: Bond. Not only can I not imagine the judge granting it but his counsel has to be wise enough to know he's safer in jail than out on the street. He's not wealthy enough to afford 24/7 protection.

It’s not his lawyer’s call though, it’s his.

No one would rather stay in jail for what is likely to be two years, while waiting for a trial that could send him to prison for the rest of his life.

There hasn’t been a bond request, not because his lawyers are concerned for his safety, but because the evidence that would justify such a hearing, does not exist.

 

[Johnny1181]

This has been posted before, it appears SW and NUA noticed changes in CW, and CW deactivating his facebook is rather telling too.

Nickole Atkinson, the friend of Shanann’s who called police when Shanann didn’t arrive to her doctor’s appointment, said she immediately knew something was wrong.

“I knew [Chris Watts] had something to do with it the day I was at his house with him, but I didn’t want to think that,” Nickole Atkinson told ABC News.
“Anyone in their right mind will start piecing things together and think something had happened, but you don’t want to go there. You want to believe the best in people,” she added.
Atkinson said the two had been having problems for several weeks prior to Shanann’s death. She said Shanann told her that Chris was not acting himself during a recent trip to North Carolina.
“She texted me and said she was going to need a friend now more than ever when she got back,” Atkinson said. “He wasn’t being the loving Chris that he normally was. He wasn’t touching or hugging or doing stuff like that. And he wasn’t being as attentive to the girls as he normally is.”
Atkinson said that Shanann felt “something had changed.” But it wasn’t clear what it was. The affidavit does not detail how investigators discovered that Chris had been having an affair, but says he had denied the affair in “previous interviews.”

Chris Watts murder case: Everything we know so far about the deaths of his wife, daughters

This. Thank goodness she told Nickole. This is the first case I have followed. And it makes me sick to my stomach. It's just so obvious to me.

This was a woman in love with her husband and daughters. With her family. Pregnant with her first son that she hoped would make her husband as happy as she was.

A woman who worked her butt off to provide a loving home for her babies, pay the bills, and be a loving supportive wife to a cheating and murdering liar.

It's just this simple, he wanted out. And he did the things that most of us could never imagine a father and husband doing. It's a nightmare even she most likely could never imagine. But he did them. He did this. All of it. jmo

 

[cailleach]

It’s not his lawyer’s call though, it’s his.

No one would rather stay in jail for what is likely to be two years, while waiting for a trial that could send him to prison for the rest of his life.

There hasn’t been a bond request, not because his lawyers are concerned for his safety, but because the evidence that would justify such a hearing, does not exist.

True. As I stated, I cannot imagine the judge granting it. There's nothing to merit it.

I also don't believe his life is worth much on streets here. Besides, their house is going to be repo'd and sold. It's doubtful there's anyone who would put him up. His A/P went into hiding immediately after he was arrested and is said to have cooperated with police.

 

[Johnny1181]

Re: Bond. Not only can I not imagine the judge granting it but his counsel has to be wise enough to know he's safer in jail than out on the street. He's not wealthy enough to afford 24/7 protection.

That's not why they aren't requesting bond. They have no evidence to support letting this FA out on bond. jmo

 

[molly1255]

I disagree on one point. Shanann seems very smart and I believe she saw glimpses of this throughout the marriage.

I did the same thing with my ex that she did. I always tried to pump him up. To make him believe I really loved him.

I swore after Laci that I would not do this again. But here I am. I think of all of their beautiful faces. Shanann. Bella. CeCe.

This is a very disturbing case, in every respect.

I also believe SW was smart enough to see things in CW that didn't add up. JMO, I've considered that SW may have been experiencing cognitive dissonance and her gushing over CW may have been a sign of this. It may have been an attempt by her to try to convince herself that she really wasn't seeing bad things in CW.

The following description of cognitive dissonance on brittanica.com is what I think may have happened to SW and this is all JMO:

Cognitive dissonance, the mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The unease or tension that the conflict arouses in people is relieved by one of several defensive maneuvers: they reject, explain away, or avoid the new information; persuade themselves that no conflict really exists; reconcile the differences; or resort to any other defensive means of preserving stability or order in their conceptions of the world and of themselves. The concept was developed in the 1950s by American psychologist Leon Festinger and became a major point of discussion and research.

It will be very interesting to see what comes out at trial, and specifically what SW's family has to say about her time in NC. The stylist who works with SW's mother stated in an interview that there were marital problems and separation was being discussed.

JMO, given what CW has done, it's possible there is a long list of crappy things that he did to SW, and especially when she was in NC that we don't even know about yet. What we do know is that SW was pregnant and she had lupus. In a post she made on SM, she stated convinced her to have another child.

She was in a high-risk pregnancy where a flare brought on by emotional stress and upheaval could have had very serious consequences not only for Nico, but also for SW. And during this pregnancy, CW engages in an affair with a co-worker, and he is not acting as loving toward SW and the girls, per NUA, and SW begins to suspect he might be having an affair. Per A. Thayer in an interview, CW wasn't returning SW's phone calls and this is another reason she was suspicious of an affair. JMO, I think SW found the affair and possibly found more than that.

JMO, I think all of that would be enough to snap someone out of it and get to reality, and she probably thought she was dealing with an incredible, selfish pig of a man, who had repeatedly lied to her and conned her, and I think she knew the marriage was over, and that she was making plans to get out of it and I think he knew that, too. I don't think she realized she was dealing with a likely psychopath who was capable of murder.

JMO, I don't think she would have hopped into bed with CW when she returned home, exhausted, from her trip to AZ. I doubt he bothered to greet her when she came home. He was probably laying in bed in the master bedroom, ruminating about the AP and how much he hated SW and her little girls, too.

I think she let herself in, took off her shoes, put her things down and quietly went up the stairs, and perhaps peeped in on her little girls and then went to the couch in the upstairs living area to try to get some sleep and she had her cell phone with her.

LE found her cell phone, in between the cushions on that couch and that may have been where CW's attack on her occurred. I pray she never knew that he murdered her little girls.

All JMO.

 

[human]

Why do you think defense wants the autopsy reports released? Why is prosecution fighting this?

And what’s the concern about HIPPA?

 

[human]

How did her friend know SW did not go to the doctor appt? Can people call a doctor’s office and ask about someone?

 

[Johnny1181]

Why do you think defense wants the autopsy reports released? Why is prosecution fighting this?

And what’s the concern about HIPPA?

The defense has not indicated at all that they want the autopsy reports released.

They instead basically threw their hands up and said do whatever you want, he can't get a fair trial anyway.

They did not ask that the reports be released.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...caseofinterest/2018CR2003/D 039 Notice(1).pdf

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

This is a very disturbing case, in every respect.

I also believe SW was smart enough to see things in CW that didn't add up. JMO, I've considered that SW may have been experiencing cognitive dissonance and her gushing over CW may have been a sign of this. It may have been an attempt by her to try to convince herself that she really wasn't seeing bad things in CW.

The following description of cognitive dissonance on brittanica.com is what I think may have happened to SW and this is all JMO:

Cognitive dissonance, the mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The unease or tension that the conflict arouses in people is relieved by one of several defensive maneuvers: they reject, explain away, or avoid the new information; persuade themselves that no conflict really exists; reconcile the differences; or resort to any other defensive means of preserving stability or order in their conceptions of the world and of themselves. The concept was developed in the 1950s by American psychologist Leon Festinger and became a major point of discussion and research.

It will be very interesting to see what comes out at trial, and specifically what SW's family has to say about her time in NC. The stylist who works with SW's mother stated in an interview that there were marital problems and separation was being discussed.

JMO, given what CW's has done, it's possible there is a long list of crappy things that he did to SW, and especially when she was in NC that we don't even know about yet. What we do know is that SW was pregnant and she had lupus. In a post she made on SM, she stated convinced her to have another child.

She was in a high-risk pregnancy where a flare brought on by emotional stress and upheaval could have had very serious consequences not only for Nico, but also for SW. And during this pregnancy, CW engages in an affair with a co-worker, and he is not acting as loving toward SW and the girls, per NUA, and SW begins to suspect he might be having an affair. Per A. Thayer in an interview, CW wasn't returning SW's phone calls and this is another reason she was suspicious of an affair. JMO, I think SW found the affair and possibly found more than that.

JMO, I think all of that would be enough to snap someone out of it and get to reality, and she probably thought she was dealing with an incredible, selfish pig of a man, who had repeatedly lied to her and conned her, and I think she knew the marriage was over, and that she was making plans to get out of it and I think he knew that, too. I don't think she realized she was dealing with a likely psychopath who was capable of murder.

JMO, I don't think she would have hopped into bed with CW when she returned home, exhausted, from her trip to AZ. I doubt he bothered to greet her when she came home. He was probably laying in bed in the master bedroom, ruminating about the AP and how much he hated SW and her little girls, too.

I think she let herself in, took off her shoes, put her things down and quietly went up the stairs, and perhaps peeped in on her little girls and then went to the couch in the upstairs living area to try to get some sleep and she had her cell phone with her.

LE found her cell phone, in between the cushions on that couch and that may have been where CW's attack on her occurred. I pray she never knew that her murdered her little girls.

All JMO.

That was what I have been thinking too. And I really hope that she never got to know her children were dead or about to be killed. I do even hope that she simply not recognized that it was Chris who did this to her and her babies. But I doubt that this was the case unless he really drugged them.

 

[Johnny1181]

How did her friend know SW did not go to the doctor appt? Can people call a doctor’s office and ask about someone?

We don't know how. But the police do. And it was enough to keep him sitting in a cell. Thankfully. jmo

 

[human]

The defense has not indicated at all that they want the autopsy reports released.

They instead basically threw their hands up and said do whatever you want, he can't get a fair trial anyway.

They did not ask that the reports be released.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/D 039 Notice(1).pdf

When will they be released?

 

[human]

We don't know how. But the police do. And it was enough to keep him sitting in a cell. Thankfully. jmo

I am curious. Even when you go to a hotel, they will not tell you if a person is registered there.

Is it standard practice to tell if a person is at a doctor’s office?

 

[Johnny1181]

When will they be released?

Not sure how your question relates to my response to your OP. So moving on

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

How did her friend know SW did not go to the doctor appt? Can people call a doctor’s office and ask about someone?

I do not know how this is regulated in the USA but here in Europe you can call and ask if someone already arrived or is sitting in the waiting room.

 

[Johnny1181]

Night.

 

[cailleach]

Everything is just speculation at this point on how she knew. She did though and that's all that matters. It could be anything from her having been a contact on SW's list that allowed her to get that information to arrangements for her to watch the girls while SW went to the appointment. Maybe that's when she got really concerned - when SW didn't bring the girls over as planned. Again it's all just speculation and in the overall theme of things she was a great friend who acted intelligently based on the information she had available and her own instincts.

 

[cailleach]

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