Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #7

[Bill Carson]

How in hell does anyone get a 98% loan on a property???

What was the interest rate?

This was a young married couple, childless, who bought a 4100 sq-foot 5 BEDROOM home with a 3 car garage, with a stated income ~ $140K

Somebody was very very ambitious about this purchase if this was true.

And the borrower would have to pay PMI. Payments would be ungodly high.

 

[CARIIS]

There maybe be something to it, I agree. It's interesting to consider.

We've seen so many threads about parents (including seemingly loving, caring parents) abusing and killing their children it seems anything is possible, but not with this ending. Not with the living parent dumping three bodies. Just no.

Hi honey

Rage is a very nasty thing

 

[Ronso]

I’ve deactivated for over a year and once I log back in, everything is still there where I left it. I think you are referring to deleting your account, which requires going through more steps (the difference was discussed yesterday so idk what thread it’s in).

I'm going by what it says when I've gone to deactivate. That after 90 days, Facebook will delete the account. I can go in and look and copy paste the message if it still says that when I go to deactivate. It's been awhile since I've done so (I usually do it for short periods when I need a SM break).

 

[Sleutherfly]

Plus I believe the cadaver dogs detected the smell of death in the house.

Possible. I'm not sure how long someone has to be dead for there to be a smell. I know the dogs were barking but cadaver dogs are supposed to alert by laying down in the place of detection.

 

[Jo in Calif]

The nice people (I feel so bad for them ) that gave the long interview was confusing in this regard as well. One time she stated that an affair was like out of the question and then later stated that his wife had expressed to here she wondered if he is was having an affair??

RE There are so many holes in his stories that it could be swiss cheese.

That is why the premeditated angle is doubtful. I do think we will know more ( if they release) his computer stuff. I do think they can retrieve his stuff even if he closed it down to the public .



If you guys disable your FB and in a week could you reopen your account with all your stuff there??

Indeed. if it comes back that he was doing all kinds of searches (not for socks!) indicating he had murder on his mind then we know for a fact it was premeditated. Until then I think it is speculation.

RE Who? Seriously could be that unintelligent?

I just don't get this smart or bright guy either/ If you possess those entities you cant turn them on or off - they are present in every moment.

When it came out that he said to them he will tell them everything after he picked up his dad I thought good lord what an idiot /

In a triple murder tell em I will tell you after running an errand seems flat out stupid !! I don't understand why they let him go - he could have gotten on a plane for all know.

His presentation if anything indicates the opposite! He was schelpy- unkept , dull and simple imo,


Would any of ya tell LE your gonna confess shortly - just let me run to the airport ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh insane stuff


I am telling ya guys when i clicked on the link to that dooze fest I thought someone linked to a wrong thing! If he did state his name early on I was ready to close it! Good lord what a difference between the presentation and the porch

We all know about steroids and rage out of control. That pic of him mowing the lawn is imo steroids and a lot of them !! If anyone knows how it would be interesting to know when it was taken .

Based on media falsehoods for days, (that he confessed to killing his entire family) it never occurred to me what he states happened.

He did not come off to me (you all are smarter than I ) as lying on the porch. He did however (posted such) that he scared me in terms of he got pissed off. His eyes. Maybe that is why I think the confession could of happened- he def looked like he could have a temper.

WHich makes the. thus far .lack any DV history is both telling and surprising . Certainly fits more with a sudden inability to manage rage.

We all are good getting criminal stuff. That stuff about having an arrest history is apparently - like SM claiming he confessed to killing everyone - not true. moo

I could be wrong but I think his dad was at the police dept when he asked to talk to him. I don't think he asked to go pick him up while they were questioning him.

 

[bears10]

I'm going by what it says when I've gone to deactivate. That after 90 days, Facebook will delete the account. I can go in and look and copy paste the message if it still says that when I go to deactivate. It's been awhile since I've done so (I usually do it for short periods when I need a SM break).

I’m currently on an approx year hiatus from Facebook but logged back in a couple months ago to access a few pictures to save to my computer before deactivating again. Everything was right where I left it.

 

[Shekkiec]

In terms of premeditation, it doesn't appear the state of Colorado defines the length of "time" in which the person thought about killing another before doing so.

Three of the five first-degree murder charges CW is facing allege "after deliberation" and "with intent". The specific charge (x 3) is:.
(1) A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if:
(a) After deliberation and with the intent to cause the death of a person other than himself, he causes the death of that person or of another person

Colorado Revised Statutes, Title 18, Criminal code, and this is Colorado defines "after deliberation":

(3) The term “after deliberation” means not only intentionally but also that the decision to commit the act has been made after the exercise of reflection and judgment concerning the act.  An act committed after deliberation is never one which has been committed in a hasty or impulsive manner.

My thoughts are the prosecution feels very strongly they can prove that CW committed three murders, after deliberation, and after the exercise of reflection and judgment.

Of course he is has other charges against him and I think they are going to go after him with everything they have got.

The premeditation has me wondering what action shows he considered it first . Did he use something to strangle them that he made or purchased ? I am hoping the evidence clearly gets everything he deserves . IMO this is such a horrible crime

 

[Ronso]

I’ve deactivated for over a year and once I log back in, everything is still there where I left it. I think you are referring to deleting your account, which requires going through more steps (the difference was discussed yesterday so idk what thread it’s in).

Interesting. You're correct. They've completely changed the layout and everything for deactivation. It's 90 days for deletion of account. Deactivation has no time limit.

My bad. Been awhile since I've deactivated lol

 

[MerryB]

How in hell does anyone get a 98% loan on a property???

What was the interest rate?

This was a young married couple, childless, who bought a 4100 sq-foot 5 BEDROOM home with a 3 car garage, with a stated income ~ $140K

Somebody was very very ambitious about this purchase if this was true.

Income is actually listed around 90,000 at time of home purchase.

 

[Herat]

It’s clear that he regrets doing that.

Disagree

It's clear he regrets getting caught

 

[Allabouttrial]

I could be wrong but I think his dad was at the police dept when he asked to talk to him. I don't think he asked to go pick him up while they were questioning him.

I thought I read that too

 

[Jackeee]

And the borrower would have to pay PMI. Payments would be ungodly high.

Nice to see you again. It’s been a while since we’ve crossed paths.

 

[Bill Carson]

I just arrived and started reading at p. 40. Haven't waded through other threads.

What have we discovered about CW's life story?

CW's licking lips reminds me of a person who has dry mouth because they are on stimulants of some sort. Stimulants can cause you to experience fits of rage. Just sayin'....

 

[bears10]

Interesting. You're correct. They've completely changed the layout and everything for deactivation. It's 90 days for deletion of account. Deactivation has no time limit.

My bad. Been awhile since I've deactivated lol

Yeah I was a serial deactivate/reactivater going back years. But my most recent deactivation I knew it was time to call it quits for good hah. I didn’t even like reactivating for those few minutes to save pics especially since the whole layout changed since my last visit. Anyway, I’m over it! I hate Facebook for social purposes lol.

 

[MerryB]

And the borrower would have to pay PMI. Payments would be ungodly high.

Y’all, I’d bet $ on the fact they were losing that house.

 

[MCDRAW]

You are correct, he chose to do those things after SW killed them and CW killed her. Clearly not thinking clearly when entire world has just been turned upside down. Hence his reaction when hearing the charge in court about placing them in the tanks. Also, when describing the girls on video in one interview, for a split second he nearly broke down describing the one like him. A split second. Take another look.

All I saw was him try to keep from laughing. He has not shown any remorse, and no signs of grieving. People that grieve, carry that grief, they wear it like a cloak. Others can look and see the hurt and grief. CW has none of that. He had to have pre-dug that grave he put SW in, there wasn't enough time for him to kill her, transport the three of them, throw the girls down the into the oil tank, dig a grave, bury SW and get to work on time all clean and fresh. No one could do all that in that short of time.

 

[Waterdog]

My internet is wonky and I cannot find my post to fix typo, but it's *lupus*.

 

[Bill Carson]

Y’all, I’d bet $ on the fact they were losing that house.

I wouldn't be surprised, either. If they couldn't come up with $1,500 for the HOA (or at least a payment plan), then things were not good financially.

It takes a long time to foreclose on a house in Colorado. Like 6 months. An absurdly long time.

 

[CARIIS]

He regrets nothing. Why would he dump the bodies of his daughters in crude oil if he felt guilty about killing their mom? You are not making any sense!

How do we know he regrets nothing?

 

[CARIIS]

It's clear that he regrets getting caught.

Most people do in any circumstance.