Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #7

[Waterdog]

Well, it's kind of a big deal if we assume the charges are correct that this was premeditated. This means CW was either grilling while knowing his wife and babies would be dead in a few hours or grilling with already dead babies. This makes me sick to my stomach.

I'm so, so sorry. This is heartbreaking.

Grilling out isn't that big of deal to a lot of people, but for me it's more of a thing I do for a special dinner, or a holiday, or if people are coming over. I didn't grill for my kids when they were 3and 4 years old. It's possible he did but seems weird to me. Of course, the whole case is weird and tragic.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Can’t figure out how to quote. But regarding his cached instagram, it’s just coming up blank for me. It’s showing the outlines on where pics were and some beginning of texts but that’s it. Anyone else?

Are you talking about this?

https://webcache.googleusercontent....l.com/chris_thrives+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[BabyButterfly]

An FHA loan is for a first time buyer. She had previously had a house. They wouldn’t have gotten that loan if they applied together. She was probably thinking that it was in their best interest to NOT put her on anything legal so they didn’t risk not getting the FHA loan. She was later put on the deed. I am not on our mortgage, but I am on our deed. That actually benefits me if crap hit the fan in my marriage.

cops got a satellite image and he directed them right to the tanks

I have had 4 FHA loans, they are not for first time home buyers.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I think it's because the girls were last seen alive on 8/12 at the birthday party. SW was last seen alive early on 8/13 by NU-A when dropped of at home. imo​

After my reply I realised what I'd said was wrong as like you say it's from the time they were last seen alive.

 

[CARIIS]

He did not appear to be in shock during his news interviews. He seemed nervous. His body language was defensive and he had nervous ticks. To me the rocking is a method to self soothe along with hugging his body with crossed arms.

In the courtroom, In my opinion, he appears to be in shock. He displays zero emotion.

It does make a lot of sense that someone who had just murdered his wife and threw his entire family out might need to self soothe.

He also knew he was lying - that tends to make people nervous. IMO his behavior was congruent with the horrors that occured in the previous hours

I think his shock about his kids and putting them in the tank.

 

[MerryB]

He's had enough time for the shock to wear off and still has no emotion. Even if his attorneys asked him to sit still and not react, how could you not at least look like you are trying not to cry?

I actually did think C.W. looked like he was trying not to cry in court. Although, I don’t think he was fighting emotions of remorse or guilt; rather, he was scared and upset for himself.

 

[Layla123]

I think Shanann being buried vs put in the oil is as simple as him not being able to carry her up the ladder to put her in. He possibly didn't have time to bury her sufficiently...perhaps thinking he could come back later. If this was premeditated her flight being delayed really threw a wrench in his plan as did her friend checking on her. What an awesome friend! (Even thought she's selling Thrive in her name now, because "that's what Shanann would have wanted." *eyeroll*

I now think it’s possible that he murdered and disposed of the girls before Shannan got home. Then he buried Shannan the morning of the 13th.

 

[katydid23]

It makes sense for him to go into a rage when he saw her killing the children. No one knows how we would react in that situation, we can speculate, but not know precisely.

His reaction was rage, likely not even remembering his wife was pregnant. Afterwards he had the choice of calling the police or doing something else. In that situation, he very quickly realized that everyone was strangled and he was the only one alive, he would of course be blamed.

The entire removal of bodies was quick because none of this was planned. Any chance of freedom, he had to put on a show, but it was extremely difficult knowing the the events that had occurred in his house. He was scared and didn’t want to stay in that house again knowing what had occurred in there.

None of this was planned. He is in shock.

None of the above makes any sense/

The wife had just spent 6 weeks away from her husband. She was fine. Why would she react to a trial separation by brutally killing her baby girls? That makes no sense.

She had her own income, a supportive family and lots of friends. Killing those babies would not be her first response.


If he saw her killing his 2nd child, that would mean the child was still alive. He could have done CPR and called an ambulance. Why didn't he do that?

If his wife really did strangle the babies, why would he be blamed? The forensics team would check the DNA under her fingernails, and check the touch DNA on the babies, and he would be cleared of the crime.

If he truly loved and cherished those babies, he could not have put them in that vat of crude oil.

 

[CARIIS]

Where is it clear he regrets doing that? Is there a link suggesting he’s broken down about that fact?

looking at him??

I think he will kill himself

money wise I dont think they keep them in private for ever do they??

 

[Gingerbread7]

I don’t see anything that says this was planned. Even if you believe he killed all of them, I don’t see it being planned.

Also, in his interview with the news he stated something along the lines of "being in the house is like a nightmare". Right there...I think that was his moment of truth. I think he was honest when he said that, almost as if he can't believe he is in this situation, almost seems like he has dissociated from the events that occurred in the house.

 

[CARIIS]

None of the above makes any sense/

The wife had just spent 6 weeks away from her husband. She was fine. Why would she react to a trial separation by brutally killing her baby girls? That makes no sense.

She had her own income, a supportive family and lots of friends. Killing those babies would not be her first response.


If he saw her killing his 2nd child, that would mean the child was still alive. He could have done CPR and called an ambulance. Why didn't he do that?

If his wife really did strangle the babies, why would he be blamed? The forensics team would check the DNA under her fingernails, and check the touch DNA on the babies, and he would be cleared of the crime.

If he truly loved and cherished those babies, he could not have put them in that vat of crude oil.

"Fantasy bonding "answers all these questions

We do not know this - but we know steroid problems are valid. His eyes look like he could lose it but the lack of DV bring reported thus far certainly adds credibility to his confession, and is , as we all know, very unusual . Who knows with this tragedy it may surface later but as of this time there appears to be no reports of DV.

As does wanting his kids removed from oil.

moo

 

[Ronso]

Literally all it takes is one man on that jury with the mindset that women are to blame for a man's transgressions.

I know this seems implausible given what we know, but these men exist everywhere. There's even some women who buy into the trope that if a man cheats, it must be because his wife has some sort of character flaw.

Look at everyone in the beginning who was assuming that it was SW who was terrible with money just because she was in a MLM? Or because it's the automatic assumption that if a woman doesn't hold a "real job" she can't possibly be responsible with money? (Sorry, but I've never held a "real job", been married since I was 19 and a SAHM, and I handle all our finances since our bankruptcy 14 years ago. A bankruptcy that was due to medical debt from an unforeseen medical emergency where I was close to losing my life. I have rebuilt our credit, and I pay everything on time and don't own frivolous things other than the photography equipment I have personally saved for by selling my artwork. My husband works full time, and I love him to death but he is impulsive with spending and not attentive to what gets paid or when it's due and he knows it so he has me handle things.)

There are plenty of men out there that think when men get out of control in a marriage, it must've been provoked by the woman.

That if a woman is raped, it's 'cause of her choices. What she was wearing, because she was drinking, etc.(Same line of thinking.)

All it takes is one of them on this jury. One. One of them to buy his BS story that she killed her babies.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Literally all it takes is one man on that jury with the mindset that women are to blame for a man's transgressions.

I know this seems implausible given what we know, but these men exist everywhere. There's even some women who buy into the trope that if a man cheats, it must be because his wife has some sort of character flaw.

Look at everyone in the beginning who was assuming that it was SW who was terrible with money just because she was in a MLM? Or because it's the automatic assumption that if a woman doesn't hold a "real job" she can't possibly be responsible with money? (Sorry, but I've never held a "real job", been married since I was 19 and a SAHM, and I handle all our finances since our bankruptcy 14 years ago. A bankruptcy that was due to medical debt from an unforeseen medical emergency where I was close to losing my life. I have rebuilt our credit, and I pay everything on time and don't own frivolous things other than the photography equipment I have personally saved for by selling my artwork. My husband works full time, and I love him to death but he is impulsive with spending and not attentive to what gets paid or when it's due and he knows it so he has me handle things.)

There are plenty of men out there that think when men get out of control in a marriage, it must've been provoked by the woman.

That if a woman is raped, it's 'cause of her choices. What she was wearing, because she was drinking, etc.(Same line of thinking.)

All it takes is one of them on this jury. One. One of them to buy his BS story that she killed her babies.

That right there is a truly horrifying thought.

 

[Jackeee]

"Fantasy bonding "answers all these questions

I had to look it up but I see what you mean.

 

[Waterdog]

"Fantasy bonding "answers all these questions

While this may be a valid explanation for her relationship with Chris I find it very hard to believe she killed her babies. She overcame great odds and risked her own health to have them (Lupis.) If it is forensically proven that she did then I will eat my shirt!

 

[CARIIS]

Are you talking about this?

https://webcache.googleusercontent....l.com/chris_thrives+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Can you guys do the same thing for his FB or twitter if he had it or whatever

 

[Waterdog]

That right there is a truly horrifying thought.

*vomits*

 

[JCzMum]

I have had 4 FHA loans, they are not for first time home buyers.

Exactly. FHA loans are not just for first time buyers. Maybe that was the case decades ago but not since the past 14 years I have been in this business. Not certain how CO state law is but, regardless, they were both on title.

 

[Ronso]

Can you guys do the same thing for his FB or twitter if he had it or whatever

There is no internet cache of deactivated Facebook accounts. If he deactivated it, all the information is there... every comment, like, post, etc. You just can't access it on the internet anywhere else. And it'll be there for 90 days post deactivation. If I deactivate, I have 90 days to log back in and restore all of that to what it was before I deactivated.

 

[molly1255]

I also don't think there was much time of pre-meditation, I think that's why he changed the "emotional conversation" timeline to 4:00. Sadly, I think that may have been the actual time of death for all three, which will make it harder to disprove Cw's theory. I also think the neighbor that saw him BBQing is weird, unless he did that to throw the neighbor off. If you planned to kill your kids, why make them dinner first?

I think CW really messed up by showing no emotion at court. If your wife really killed your kids, how could it be possible to not fight back tears? It shows he really doesn't care that much.

I also wonder if CW could have gotten his girlfriend pregnant, just trying to figure out any possible motives.

In terms of premeditation, it doesn't appear the state of Colorado defines the length of "time" in which the person thought about killing another before doing so.

Three of the five first-degree murder charges CW is facing allege "after deliberation" and "with intent". The specific charge (x 3) is:.
(1) A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if:
(a) After deliberation and with the intent to cause the death of a person other than himself, he causes the death of that person or of another person

Colorado Revised Statutes, Title 18, Criminal code, and this is Colorado defines "after deliberation":

(3) The term “after deliberation” means not only intentionally but also that the decision to commit the act has been made after the exercise of reflection and judgment concerning the act.  An act committed after deliberation is never one which has been committed in a hasty or impulsive manner.

My thoughts are the prosecution feels very strongly they can prove that CW committed three murders, after deliberation, and after the exercise of reflection and judgment.

Of course he is has other charges against him and I think they are going to go after him with everything they have got.