Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #45

[liltexans]

Did they show a video of the demonstration? I havent heard this before. It would be great to see it.

They did the demonstration on Ashleigh Banfield's now canceled show. It was pretty interesting. I was struck by how tiny the baby monitor screen was. It's about the size of regular cell phone screen. It wasn't like a computer monitor or TV or something. Just a little handheld device. The person's head looks to be about the size of a dime at most on the screen, maybe smaller. The idea of seeing much detail from more than a foot away was hard for me to believe. I think you would have to have the screen held up to your face more or less and even then, I don't know if it would be possible to see that someone was turning blue.

 

[Golden Girl]

I'm sorry, am I missing something important here? This picture was one minute out over ten thousand minutes that he was in NC. Had the picture been taken maybe five minutes before or after, we may have seen something completely different? Believe me, I'm not defending him, but this picture seems to have no meaning to me. If I'm not seeing some meaning, please explain.

The picture does not have any meaning by itself. It was cropped from a video a woman took of her son riding on a swing at an amusement park. SW’s older daughter happened to be on the ride at the same time and can be seen in the video. The woman could not believe that SW was the same woman she had just met at Myrtle Beach and now she and her daughters were gone. She told the reporter she was heartbroken because SW had seemed so happy, talking with her about how that she was expecting . . . The point was that the woman said she noticed how SW's husband “was disengaged and just stood there in line not talking.” If you watch the video at the link below, it is insightful to see the lack of interest shown by him. It does seem that he became very detached. He was looking down on his phone, even as his daughter was riding by smiling. I hope that explains the meaning behind the picture. It’s just one woman’s opinion.

NC mom describes meeting Shanann Watts' family at Myrtle Beach

 

[Johnny1181]

They did the demonstration on Ashleigh Banfield's now canceled show. It was pretty interesting. I was struck by how tiny the baby monitor screen was. It's about the size of regular cell phone screen. It wasn't like a computer monitor or TV or something. Just a little handheld device. The person's head looks to be about the size of a dime at most on the screen, maybe smaller. The idea of seeing much detail from more than a foot away was hard for me to believe. I think you would have to have the screen held up to your face more or less and even then, I don't know if it would be possible to see that someone was turning blue.

Exactly. jmo

 

[PrimeSuspect]

They did the demonstration on Ashleigh Banfield's now canceled show. It was pretty interesting. I was struck by how tiny the baby monitor screen was. It's about the size of regular cell phone screen. It wasn't like a computer monitor or TV or something. Just a little handheld device. The person's head looks to be about the size of a dime at most on the screen, maybe smaller. The idea of seeing much detail from more than a foot away was hard for me to believe. I think you would have to have the screen held up to your face more or less and even then, I don't know if it would be possible to see that someone was turning blue.

This is what baffles me too liltexans, the screen is way to small! It's a great device for a parent's peace of mind.... if the child is crying, having a fit, the child is missing from their bed or climbing out of a cot or someone in the room with the child who shouldn't be there etc. so many good applications for it but I can't believe CW could see Bella was blue. :/

 

[JDough]

I may be getting some details wrong - but at this point it seems as if he was the (for the last several years) the consistent earner - not dependant on how may people purchased some patches of whatever.

He had a 40 hour a week position earning something like a consistent 65K.

At this point in the investigation we have no idea how much she was making selling patches of something.

What we know from the videos is she was purchasing a ton of the stuff - mailing free samples all over and paying to fly two people to wherever

this is only my notions about this - but I know going out of town always costed me money

moo

If you have the time to review the media thread, you can easily read MSM articles regarding SW's employment history. She was never without employment during their relationship. This may help you to determine if you have any of the information wrong? I refer to it frequently (except for the Thrive information- my daughter is a Thrive promoter, and I am quite familiar with the products, commission schedule, qualification requirements, etc.). I find the media thread to be very helpful!

Here is a portion of SW's employment history, as documented in the media thread (there are others listed):

She was a nanny.

She worked at the same auto dealership that CW did.

She worked at a hospital call center while building her Thrive business. (Thrive is not just patches).

The samples SW sent out were provided for free from Le-Vel, the company who owns the Thrive brand. She was not purchasing a "ton" of stuff. She earned a "ton" of free stuff every month. Way more than she ever could have used. And "tons" meant to give away.

SW was making at least double- (if not a substantial amount more), than CW was. For quite some time. Her hard work also earned the car payments for BOTH vehicles driven by SW and CW, each month. The term "200,000 club" you may see referenced on social media means something about the amount she was earning.

The trip to NC was a business expense. She conducted business while there, and would have been able to use the amount for airfare as a tax deduction.

The trips flying two people "to wherever" were trips that SW earned for FREE. All food, lodging, and transportation expenses for SW and a guest were covered by Le-Vel. CW accompanied her on each of these- there are some beautiful photos of the two of them enjoying their vacations together.

Hope some of this info helps- it can be very difficult to keep all of the information in a fast-moving forum straight (at least in my mind!)

 

[MsBetsy]

Sorry for your loss, even a fb friend means a lot, those moments you share together are significant, history tells of treasured pen pals across the water who held a part of someone's heart and the sorrow felt when they've departed this world.

Maybe, I am grasping at straws, I want to see CW showed signs of detaching and preparing himself for what happened, otherwise it means it came out of nowhere. He was a ticking time bomb. This could be said for SW too (if I disregard her posts/videos or anything I've learned about her), it just isn't feasible imo that she would do it that night while CW was only feet away. She'd take time to prepare for a revenge killing, CW had time to prepare to put thoughts into action.

I think he did detach himself. He had 5 weeks to do it, plus the company of the AP to help. He made sure to tell people about his plans for separation. SW noticed the change of behavior and told her friend he wasn't paying as much attention to her and the girls. He was acting different, not touching and hugging them. The woman who met them in NC at the fair or whatever it was said she noticed how Shanann was bubbly and talkative while CW was distant and not interacting with his family. It was the perfect time to get rid of them and I think he had to detach himself in order to dehumanize them first. It is what enabled him to kill them. Jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

Same here. I knew her through a Lupus support group. I can't add anything to the discussion because we weren't "friends", but I interacted a lot with her online. Many of us in the Lupus FB world got to know her through the groups she belonged to.

I didn't know you were battling Lupus. Love and light sent your way.

 

[Tricia]

Better days are coming, I just know it! Thank you.

Hey BabyButterfly,

We all appreciate you sharing with us your exchanges with Shanann.

FYI, you can be a verified insider without ever meeting the person in question. In this day and age some of my best friends I have yet to meet in person.

BabyButterfly, for now there is no need to verify you. It might become necessary later but not now. Please continue sharing the exchanges you had with Shannan.

Take Care,
Tricia

 

[MsBetsy]

Video from SW's Facebook:
Shanann Watts

Clip from Ashleigh Banfield regarding the baby monitor.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Thank you! The whole thing looks blue. Maybe that's where he got the idea from.

 

[molly1255]

This has me thinking that trolling hook up and/or dating sites as a married man truly opens you up to potential blackmail situations. And I would imagine that is compounded if any of the affairs are with the opposite sex of your spouse and you are otherwise in the closet. I am starting to see a picture of a man who apparently loved to play victim to those who did not well know his wife, claims at least to one VI that he wanted out but SW wouldn't listen, yet he never packed his bags and just left. Never filed papers. It is a very unflattering portrait of his character and that is before the murders. He certainly appears to have had a very secret and very passive aggressive method of dealing with his unhappiness IMO.

Agree, it is a very unflattering portrait of his character. Add to what you've stated that he also exposed his wife to whatever he'd been exposed to by AP, or anyone else. SW had lupus. She was very likely drugs to suppress her immune system. Those drugs make it way more likely that a person will catch whatever is going around.

What a guy.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

This is a still picture from SW's bed talk video, the baby monitor on her night stand.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[Johnny1181]

Hey BabyButterfly,

We all appreciate you sharing with us your exchanges with Shanann.

FYI, you can be a verified insider without ever meeting the person in question. In this day and age some of my best friends I have yet to meet in person.

BabyButterfly, for now there is no need to verify you. It might become necessary later but not now. Please continue sharing the exchanges you had with Shannan.

Take Care,
Tricia

This is awesome. Made my heart smile.

 

[MassGuy]

Agree, it is a very unflattering portrait of his character. Add to what you've stated that he also exposed his wife to whatever he'd been exposed to by AP, or anyone else. SW had lupus. She was very likely drugs to suppress her immune system. Those drugs make it way more likely that a person will catch whatever is going around.

What a guy.

Once you get past the lying, cheating, murders, body dumping, lying again, victim blaming, and lying some more, he’s your All American family man.

I’m sure he’ll be able to gloss over all of this at trial.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Agree, it is a very unflattering portrait of his character. Add to what you've stated that he also exposed his wife to whatever he'd been exposed to by AP, or anyone else. SW had lupus. She was very likely drugs to suppress her immune system. Those drugs make it way more likely that a person will catch whatever is going around.

What a guy.

Yes, and if the two affairs who have come forward to media are verified as true, he lied to them that he was in a relationship, much less married with kids. He appears to be a somewhat good liar (eye contact, etc) and I can only assume that came from practice and success. I just think he never had to lie and/or fake feelings in a situation remotely like the one he put himself in. Moreover, I believe when he planned this, he never thought his media interviews would be seen in the light of found bodies....he just thought it would be a case of a jilted wife run off and possibly abducted....so I don't think he felt the need to fake tears nor devestation to the Thayers, etc. IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, and if the two affairs who have come forward to media are verified as true, he lied to them that he was in a relationship, much less married with kids. He appears to be a somewhat good liar (eye contact, etc) and I can only assume that came from practice and success. I just think he never had to lie and/or fake feelings in a situation remotely like the one he put himself in. Moreover, I believe when he planned this, he never thought his media interviews would be seen in the light of found bodies....he just thought it would be a case of a jilted wife run off and possibly abducted. IMO.

Exactly. Fortunately, having the ability to lie, is no substitute for having self awareness.

He likely believed that he was going to get away with this, and that everyone watching his interviews would buy what he was selling.

George C. Parker, famously “sold the Brooklyn Bridge” to unsuspecting victims. Amazingly, people were willing to buy what he was selling.

No one was willing to give CW the same courtesy. We’ve seen this all before.

 

[MsBetsy]

This is what baffles me too liltexans, the screen is way to small! It's a great device for a parent's peace of mind.... if the child is crying, having a fit, the child is missing from their bed or climbing out of a cot or someone in the room with the child who shouldn't be there etc. so many good applications for it but I can't believe CW could see Bella was blue. :/

Yes, from what I remember, the pictures on those monitors were never that great. At first I thought they must have improved significantly in the last few years, from the amount of discussion there has been about it. Now I see it hasn't changed that much at all.

 

[Best of What's Around]

View attachment 154215

This is a still picture from SW's bed talk video, the baby monitor on her night stand.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Yes, I remember the SW video showing CC in bed. When she is moving around, it gives her a ghost like bright white appearance. I do not see how in the dark especially you could notice any difference to a face flushing nor blue. Even in color with the lights on, it seems a huge stretch. I am surprised he didn't say her eyes were open and tongue protruding instead while sprawled out. Apologies for the visual - I know it is just sick.

 

[MsBetsy]

View attachment 154215

This is a still picture from SW's bed talk video, the baby monitor on her night stand.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

I wonder what time of day it is. It looks like there is natural light.

 

[Johnny1181]

I may have to eat my words here if texts, etc come out in trial but I'm not convinced by the APs that have come forward to the media.

Edited to add I do think he's lying, cheating FA.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, from what I remember, the pictures on those monitors were not that great. At first I thought they must have improved significantly in the last few years, from the amount of discussion there has been about it. Now I see it hasn't changed that much at all.

In natural light, with those monitors mere feet from the children, you still probably couldn’t see what he claimed to see.

This was nighttime, in what was likely to have been a dimly lit room.

Even if it was possible, I absolutely don’t believe that he saw what he claimed to have seen, as he killed them all.

But it was likely impossible in the first place.