Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #45

[Best of What's Around]

I may have to eat my words here if texts, etc come out in trial but I'm not convinced by the APs that have come forward to the media.

I am trying to recall that short statement that I believe came from an LE source in an article early on that stated CW had multiple affairs with both sexes. Was it a very legit news source...anyone remember? And am I getting the quote semi-right as well as source?

 

[Thepoet]

It was a long friendship. I am blessed to have known Shanann. She really was an amazing determined woman. From reading the VI rules, I'm not allowed as no in person meetings. We tried, but I am a lot sicker than she was, travel is out of the question for me.

Thank you for sharing with us. I hope it's not too hard for you. I'm also sorry about your illness, I pray it's not too serious or long. Thanks again.

 

[MsBetsy]

I may have to eat my words here if texts, etc come out in trial but I'm not convinced by the APs that have come forward to the media.

Edited to add I do think he's lying, cheating FA.

I'm still skeptical too.

 

[RachB65]

I'm way behind again but I'm gonna toss this out there anyway...plain and simple: Even IF, BIG IF, Shanann was the one who was strangling the girls, Chris chose to stay in his rage and spend 5-6 minutes strangling his wife to death while doing nothing to save his daughters. IMHO even if that isn't 1st degree murder, it still makes him partially responsible for their deaths.

 

[MassGuy]

I am trying to recall that short statement that I believe came from an LE source in an article early on that stated CW had multiple affairs with both sexes. Was it a very legit news source...anyone remember? And am I getting the quote semi-right as well as source?

Your quote is accurate.

“A source close the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris has had relationships with both men and women outside of his marriage.”

Chris Watts' Alleged Ex-Lover Speaks — but He's Not the Co-Worker Police Say Chris Was Seeing

 

[Johnny1181]

I am trying to recall that short statement that I believe came from an LE source in an article early on that stated CW had multiple affairs with both sexes. Was it a very legit news source...anyone remember? And am I getting the quote semi-right as well as source?

I can't find it. I believe he was having an affair per the evidence in the affadavit. I just question the others because they seem to have gone to media before police. He's a lying, cheating, FA either way. jmo

 

[human]

Those were his words. AB did a demonstration with the same baby monitor and everything looks blue in the nighttime mode. Skin, bedding, etc all look the same which is where the comments came from of being able to distinguish that the toddler was blue. If he did kill the children in advance and his plan was to kill SW, I don’t think he would be concerned about when she arrived home since she was not going to be alive.

I am thinking that her friend was going to bring her home. She must have parked at the airport.

Maybe the friend would want to come in for some reason or she would be invited in.

If it was early enough, she could be screaming and neighbors could hear.

Maybe a neighbor would drop over earlier in the evening.

 

[molly1255]

Yes, and if the two affairs who have come forward to media are verified as true, he lied to them that he was in a relationship, much less married with kids. He appears to be a somewhat good liar (eye contact, etc) and I can only assume that came from practice and success. I just think he never had to lie and/or fake feelings in a situation remotely like the one he put himself in. Moreover, I believe when he planned this, he never thought his media interviews would be seen in the light of found bodies....he just thought it would be a case of a jilted wife run off and possibly abducted....so I don't think he felt the need to fake tears nor devestation to the Thayers, etc. IMO.

Very good points. I have thought that his unconvincing performance in the media interviews were because he was completely out of his element. I imagine he can be a very smooth liar when he is in his element and on his game.

I also think he planned what he was going to say, and he thought, as you said, there would be no found bodies. No need to squirt out a tear or two.

Big fail!

 

[RachB65]

It's not a scientific proven fact that he saw Bella turning blue while SW was strangling her. CW said that he saw Bella turn blue while SW was strangling her. Like it or not, it's my opinion that that statement doesn't prove or disprove anything.

I'm sure this has been pointed out already (I'm only on page 3 of this thread), but I believe Chris said he saw Bella was lying on her bed,blue, while Shannan was "actively" strangling CeCe.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I am thinking that her friend was going to bring her home. She must have parked at the airport.

Maybe the friend would want to come in for some reason or she would be invited in.

If it was early enough, she could be screaming and neighbors could hear.

Maybe a neighbor would drop over earlier in the evening.

CW knew eta was 11pm, which of course, changed by nearly a 3 hour delay to 1.48 am. I'd think he'd be right in thinking NUA wouldn't come into the house, disturb him and the children sleeping.
That's right about the screaming, after 2 am I'm sure someone would hear screams, this fits the theory CW strangled SW while she slept or at least, he over powered her while she lay face down on a surface, like the sofa or the bed, her screams muffled, and then, killed her.

 

[Seattle1]

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[Johnny1181]

I am thinking that her friend was going to bring her home. She must have parked at the airport.

Maybe the friend would want to come in for some reason or she would be invited in.

If it was early enough, she could be screaming and neighbors could hear.

Maybe a neighbor would drop over earlier in the evening.

I'm having a hard time understanding your post.

They drove together in NUA's car. Shanann's was in her garage.

NUA waited in her car while dropping Shannan off and waited for a wave before driving away. Not expecting an invite in at 2 in the morning.

It's hard to scream with your husband's hands around your throat squeezing the life out of you.

Not sure what you're saying in your last sentence of this post. jmo

 

[human]

Your reply has nothing to do with baby monitor post you're responding to.

As to your post, SW did get a ride home from Denver airport (after Arizona trip) --from her friend NUA who also traveled to Arizona. NUA watched SW open the front door and waive her off. It was about 1:50AM.

Hm. I am talking about him killing the children earlier in the evening. He would not have an idea earlier in the evening when she would be coming back. She knew by at least 6:30 PM that her flight was delayed.

I have never been on a delayed flight when they knew when it was going to go forward right away. I have had to stay overnight several times because there was no other plane available, the weather was not cooperating, or there was no other crew to be had.

I think him killing the children early was probably not what he did.

But how did he see blue children? That is really weird unless they were blue when he took them to carry them in the truck. I imagine they were covered somehow. Either with their blankets or with garbage bags.

What he did with SW is beyond me, The children would not be visible to a passing motorist, but I don’t know how he concealed her.

 

[human]

I'm having a hard time understanding your post.

They drove together in NUA's car. Shanann's was in her garage.

NUA waited in her car while dropping Shannan off and waited for a wave before driving away. Not expecting an invite in at 2 in the morning.

It's hard to scream with your husband's hands around your throat squeezing the life out of you.

Not sure what you're saying in your last sentence of this post. jmo

Not clear. It is all about the fact that the plane was delayed and there would be no way to know for how long, If they had to wait until the next day, her friend could be invited into the home where there are no children because they are dead.

Consequently, I do not feel he murdered them earlier in the evening

 

[MassGuy]

Hm. I am talking about him killing the children earlier in the evening. He would not have an idea earlier in the evening when she would be coming back. She knew by at least 6:30 PM that her flight was delayed.

I have never been on a delayed flight when they knew when it was going to go forward right away. I have had to stay overnight several times because there was no other plane available, the weather was not cooperating, or there was no other crew to be had.

I think him killing the children early was probably not what he did.

But how did he see blue children? That is really weird unless they were blue when he took them to carry them in the truck. I imagine they were covered somehow. Either with their blankets or with garbage bags.

What he did with SW is beyond me, The children would not be visible to a passing motorist, but I don’t know how he concealed her.

Even if those windows weren’t tinted, that bedsheet that was left at the dumpsite, likely served that purpose, concealing her body until he was able to dump her into a shallow grave.

 

[Johnny1181]

Hm. I am talking about him killing the children earlier in the evening. He would not have an idea earlier in the evening when she would be coming back. She knew by at least 6:30 PM that her flight was delayed.

I have never been on a delayed flight when they knew when it was going to go forward right away. I have had to stay overnight several times because there was no other plane available, the weather was not cooperating, or there was no other crew to be had.

I think him killing the children early was probably not what he did.

But how did he see blue children? That is really weird unless they were blue when he took them to carry them in the truck. I imagine they were covered somehow. Either with their blankets or with garbage bags.

What he did with SW is beyond me, The children would not be visible to a passing motorist, but I don’t know how he concealed her.

Again... it may be me. But this post makes no sense to me.

Not clear. It is all about the fact that the plane was delayed and there would be no way to know for how long, If they had to wait until the next day, her friend could be invited into the home where there are no children because they are dead.

Consequently, I do not feel he murdered them earlier in the evening

IMO sometimes it's best to lay down the keyboard and go to bed. jmo

 

[Deleted member 182072]

I can't find it. I believe he was having an affair per the evidence in the affadavit. I just question the others because they seem to have gone to media before police. He's a lying, cheating, FA either way. jmo

I believe TB's story since reading the article below which says he wasn't paid and that he did provide texts to corroborate his story. I also believe the Tinder mistress even though she apparently was paid by RO for her story. I had been hearing rumors about a Tinder mistress for weeks before the story broke and it really didn't surprise me at all that someone who uses Tinder for hookups would want compensation for her story. JMO

Man who claims affair with accused family killer Chris Watts says Colorado dad gave him money, claimed pregnant wife Shanann Watts was ‘abusive’: EXCLUSIVE

Bolte provided CrimeOnline with screenshots of text messages between him and Watts that appear to support some type of relationship with Watts. Bolte said they were the first text messages he and Watts exchanged away from the MeetMe app. The messages differ starkly in tone from screenshots circulating on social media, purporting to be messages between Watts and Bolte. Bolte is aware of the images that have circulated and insists they have been fabricated, pointing out that the messages indicate the two men met on Tinder, which Bolte says is not true.


He first told his story to HLN’s Ashley Banfield, and has denied claims, reportedly made on social media, that he was paid for the HLN interview.​

 

[JDough]

Maybe it was a call from his parents or someone else?

Perhaps. Or perhaps it was his AP? Although we cannot say for certain who he was talking to or instant messaging/texting. Unless his phone records are admitted into evidence. Regardless; the OP who posted the comment I was replying to seems to think the photo holds some sort of significance.

Another interesting point. The lady that claimed he was not interacting and has that picture to prove it.

He was on his cell.

imo

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

 

[human]

Again... it may be me. But this post makes no sense to me.


IMO sometimes it's best to lay down the keyboard and go to bed. jmo

Hm. Just trying to explain about flight delays and how one can never know how long they could be. One time we were flying to Mexico through Denver. They had a snowstorm and the delay was three days . Domino affect on all other airlines as well.

So no way could CW plan out his evening because of the flight delay.

 

[Johnny1181]

Hm. Just trying to explain about flight delays and how one can never know how long they could be. One time we were flying to Mexico through Denver. They had a snowstorm and the delay was three days . Domino affect on all other airlines as well.

So no way could CW plan out his evening because of the flight delay.

I get it. Makes sense to you right now.