Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #45

[Nikynoo]

Yes, they did and would have had plenty more regardless. He confessed AFTER they found the site via drone.

If he wanted the children removed, he would have never placed them there and let them rot for days until they had him cornered. JMO.

I don't think decompostition is the same in oil as if they had been disposed in the same way as their mother. But of course, the rate of decomposition would be affected by the tpe of oil and we dont know what type it was.

 

[Tortoise]

LE doesn't usually lay charges on the basis of a hunch.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

A scientific fact that proves he saw Bella during the act of her strangulation and not afterwards, doesn't grab your attention. That says quite a lot really.

It's not a scientific proven fact that he saw Bella turning blue while SW was strangling her. CW said that he saw Bella turn blue while SW was strangling her. Like it or not, it's my opinion that that statement doesn't prove or disprove anything.

 

[PommyMommy]

If you read my post, I said that I see now... etc etc etc. Initially I though it contradictory and now I have a different view.

I see that now. Sorry, I misunderstood.
MOO

 

[lilaismyname]

What do you make of the fact that he saw Bella blue and that apparently is a vital reaction (during life) to the body's fight for oxygen?

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

He committed murder. He acknowledged such. I just can not come up with a reason for saying what he said happened other than that is what happened per the only facts we have at this time.

People all the the time talk about people snapping - yet for some reason in this case a person who just learned that her rock is leaving, is in love with someone else might have a seriously intense impulsive response.

Being high strung is not victim bashing. She was high strung. In the narration of the video recently posted she described wild mood swings. That is not victim bashing - that is a fact based on her self report.

She described long history of feeling rejected. Being alone. Learning that she is back to being alone again might very well be an emotional issue for a high strung individual that suffers with intense mood swings. That is not a character flaw.

Turning that into victim bashing makes mental issues a personal flaw. She had problems with interpersonal relationships - per her self report. She described being down a lot. That is mood stuff. Mood stuff is not bashing.

I am confident many here have read other information on line (some could be accurate IMO there are a lot of reports that fit with some issues). That will come out - maybe. Again, empathy should be the response - not bashing posters that are open to other possibilities.

I was stunned when the confession came out -- for days they had erroneously been reporting that he confessed to killing everyone. I am fair however. In much the same way I can ponder if his steroid abuse did not result in him losing it , I am open to possibility that she too, lost it that night. In fact, at this point that is only "report" we have.

I just can not grasp the notion that the world will think better of me if I "only" killed my wife and "only" did horrible things with the remains.

 

[Nikynoo]

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This is someone's post from the previous thread. It has some interesting moments.



I think that SW's and CW's divorce might have gotten nasty. The fact that there was an affair with the co-worker would have been out. CW could have lost his job.

Another motivation for him to get rid of SW. The kids he simply did not need, I assume.

I agree about any possible divorce.

I'm not so sure that he would have been sacked for the affair (e.g. would it include affairs with consultants?). Do we have a copy of Anadarko's policy in this respect?

 

[idfinch]

I don't think decompostition is the same in oil as if they had been disposed in the same way as their mother. But of course, the rate of decomposition would be affected by the tpe of oil and we dont know what type it was.

I think the type of oil was covered in previous threads but I'm not sure. I don't care enough about that specific detail to go back and find it.

The rate of decomposition has nothing to do with my point (nor the horror of it all IMO), which is if he wanted his girls removed from the oil and that was the reason for his confession (which it wasn't, they found the area first), then he could have either not placed them there in the first place or told them on day 1 when it was clear his disappearance coverup wasn't going to fly with LE.

 

[Tortoise]

It's not a scientific proven fact that he saw Bella turning blue while SW was strangling her. CW said that he saw Bella turn blue while SW was strangling her. Like it or not, it's my opinion that that statement doesn't prove or disprove anything.

It's not a question of liking or not liking your opinion, it's trying to understand how you came to that opinion.

He didn't say he saw Bella being strangled. He said he saw Cece being strangled and Bella sprawled out and blue. Bella wouldn't be blue unless he had seen her during the act of strangulation. That is the glaring anomaly in his story.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

It's not a scientific proven fact that he saw Bella turning blue while SW was strangling her. CW said that he saw Bella turn blue while SW was strangling her. Like it or not, it's my opinion that that statement doesn't prove or disprove anything.

He said he saw Bella blue on the moniter and then for some reason waited the 5-10 seconds for the moniter to toggle to CeCe's room and saw SW actively strangeling CeCe.

 

[Nikynoo]

I think the type of oil was covered in previous threads but I'm not sure. I don't care enough about that specific detail to go back and find it.

The rate of decomposition has nothing to do with my point (nor the horror of it all IMO), which is if he wanted his girls removed from the oil and that was the reason for his confession (which it wasn't, they found the area first), then he could have either not placed them there in the first place or told them on day 1 when it was clear his disappearance coverup wasn't going to fly with LE.

Ah, apologies, I thought you meant something else!

 

[Nikynoo]

He said he saw Bella blue on the moniter and then for some reason waited the 5-10 seconds for the moniter to toggle to CeCe's room and saw SW actively strangeling CeCe.

To be fair, we dont know how long he waited (if at all) for the monitor to toggle to CeCe's room.

 

[Tortoise]

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

He committed murder. He acknowledged such. I just can not come up with a reason for saying what he said happened other than that is what happened per the only facts we have at this time.

People all the the time talk about people snapping - yet for some reason in this case a person who just learned that her rock is leaving, is in love with someone else might have a seriously intense impulsive response.

Being high strung is not victim bashing. She was high strung. In the narration of the video recently posted she described wild mood swings. That is not victim bashing - that is a fact based on her self report.

She described long history of feeling rejected. Being alone. Learning that she is back to being alone again might very well be an emotional issue for a high strung individual that suffers with intense mood swings. That is not a character flaw.

Turning that into victim bashing makes mental issues a personal flaw. She had problems with interpersonal relationships - per her self report. She described being down a lot. That is mood stuff. Mood stuff is not bashing.

I am confident many here have read other information on line (some could be accurate IMO there are a lot of reports that fit with some issues). That will come out - maybe. Again, empathy should be the response - not bashing posters that are open to other possibilities.

I was stunned when the confession came out -- for days they had erroneously been reporting that he confessed to killing everyone. I am fair however. In much the same way I can ponder if his steroid abuse did not result in him losing it , I am open to possibility that she too, lost it that night. In fact, at this point that is only "report" we have.

I just can not grasp the notion that the world will think better of me if I "only" killed my wife and "only" did horrible things with the remains.

I don't know if you've hit the wrong post to quote but your reply doesn't deal with anything to do with my post about Bella's color.

 

[PommyMommy]

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

He committed murder. He acknowledged such. I just can not come up with a reason for saying what he said happened other than that is what happened per the only facts we have at this time.

People all the the time talk about people snapping - yet for some reason in this case a person who just learned that her rock is leaving, is in love with someone else might have a seriously intense impulsive response.

Being high strung is not victim bashing. She was high strung. In the narration of the video recently posted she described wild mood swings. That is not victim bashing - that is a fact based on her self report.

She described long history of feeling rejected. Being alone. Learning that she is back to being alone again might very well be an emotional issue for a high strung individual that suffers with intense mood swings. That is not a character flaw.

Turning that into victim bashing makes mental issues a personal flaw. She had problems with interpersonal relationships - per her self report. She described being down a lot. That is mood stuff. Mood stuff is not bashing.

I am confident many here have read other information on line (some could be accurate IMO there are a lot of reports that fit with some issues). That will come out - maybe. Again, empathy should be the response - not bashing posters that are open to other possibilities.

I was stunned when the confession came out -- for days they had erroneously been reporting that he confessed to killing everyone. I am fair however. In much the same way I can ponder if his steroid abuse did not result in him losing it , I am open to possibility that she too, lost it that night. In fact, at this point that is only "report" we have.

I just can not grasp the notion that the world will think better of me if I "only" killed my wife and "only" did horrible things with the remains.

RED BBM: What are you referring to? What will come out?

BBM: Again, there has been no evidence or credible reports that CW abused or even used steroids.

MOO

 

[lilaismyname]

@PommyMommy

This is the part from the video you kindly posted that I thought was contradictory. I see now that because of this bad relationship she took something good from it:
" She says she was in a place for a long time where she was very insecure, didn't feel good about herself, wasn't happy, was in a bad relationship and went through a really awful divorce. She lost her confidence and had to start over financially. Everything that she had doubted before came flooding back. Her boss at the time took her under her wing and helped her regain her confidence. In short, she went through a long struggle with her ex, but credits him for making her a better person. She says she always sees the good in the bad and promises her viewers that if you dig deep enough into your struggle, you'll see the good and the positive in it."

This does make me wonder though about that relationship and whether it had any lasting effect on her.

I think all relationships have impacts on us. She had per her self report conflicted relationship with her boyfriend, a cluster of friends per self report, a marriage that ended in divorce shortly after being married and now.

That is not victim bashing. That is a review of facts as stated by the victim.

Those of us more open to other notions are not writing the narrative - we are taking into consideration the facts that we now know.

That does not translate into taking a side. There are no sides here. It is a horror. It is exploring what is in front of us now. That is the best we can do.

Posters that open to that, are not bad people. Posters open to other options are not fans. IMO they are people trying to make sense of a tragedy.

It has been strange watching threads turn into fan clubs - when people have different notions.

 

[NuttMegg]

It's not a scientific proven fact that he saw Bella turning blue while SW was strangling her. CW said that he saw Bella turn blue while SW was strangling her. Like it or not, it's my opinion that that statement doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Actually, for the sake of being correct, he said he saw Bella sprawled out and blue on the baby monitor, then after that he says he saw, on the monitor, his wife strangling Cece. Then, he says, he went over and strangled his wife, ultimately to death. No word on trying to save the lives of the kids. He must have passed on just pushing SW away, or socking her, to possibly save the lives of all of them.

 

[Tortoise]

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

He committed murder. He acknowledged such. I just can not come up with a reason for saying what he said happened other than that is what happened per the only facts we have at this time.

People all the the time talk about people snapping - yet for some reason in this case a person who just learned that her rock is leaving, is in love with someone else might have a seriously intense impulsive response.

Being high strung is not victim bashing. She was high strung. In the narration of the video recently posted she described wild mood swings. That is not victim bashing - that is a fact based on her self report.

She described long history of feeling rejected. Being alone. Learning that she is back to being alone again might very well be an emotional issue for a high strung individual that suffers with intense mood swings. That is not a character flaw.

Turning that into victim bashing makes mental issues a personal flaw. She had problems with interpersonal relationships - per her self report. She described being down a lot. That is mood stuff. Mood stuff is not bashing.

I am confident many here have read other information on line (some could be accurate IMO there are a lot of reports that fit with some issues). That will come out - maybe. Again, empathy should be the response - not bashing posters that are open to other possibilities.

I was stunned when the confession came out -- for days they had erroneously been reporting that he confessed to killing everyone. I am fair however. In much the same way I can ponder if his steroid abuse did not result in him losing it , I am open to possibility that she too, lost it that night. In fact, at this point that is only "report" we have.

I just can not grasp the notion that the world will think better of me if I "only" killed my wife and "only" did horrible things with the remains.

I don't know if you've hit the wrong post to quote but your reply doesn't deal with anything to do with my post about Bella's color.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

To be fair, we dont know how long he waited (if at all) for the monitor to toggle to CeCe's room.

If it's the same monitor, and I am assuming it was, that SW filmed in a video showing her kids sleeping, it took about 8 seconds for the screen to change. I can try to find the video but it will take me awhile.

ETA: I wanted to add I don't know if that monitor had a split screen option to where he could see both at the same time but the monitor she showed in her SM video wasn't split screen and it took about 8 seconds to change screens from room to room.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Out of respect to the little girls, it's their father who has been charged with their murders and with the murder of their mother and unborn brother as well.

It's their father who crammed their dead bodies into oil storage tanks and it's their father who lied repeatedly to LE, family, friends and to the media. It's their father who refused to tell anyone they were really dead and not missing, and he also refused to tell anyone where they were.

It's their father who let his little two little girls float in oil storage tanks, rotting, for several days. Their mother's family gave them a funeral, and their caskets had to be closed because the two little girls didn't look anything like the two little girls they had been when they were alive.

JMO

There's a difference between being charged and being convicted. IMO it wouldn't give the girls or their family and friends any respect or justice to to say we charged someone we're good, we don't need to look at the entire picture or have a trial.
JMO

 

[AbbyG]

I think most of the posters here who find CW's tale credible DO think

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

He committed murder. He acknowledged such. I just can not come up with a reason for saying what he said happened other than that is what happened per the only facts we have at this time.

People all the the time talk about people snapping - yet for some reason in this case a person who just learned that her rock is leaving, is in love with someone else might have a seriously intense impulsive response.

Being high strung is not victim bashing. She was high strung. In the narration of the video recently posted she described wild mood swings. That is not victim bashing - that is a fact based on her self report.

She described long history of feeling rejected. Being alone. Learning that she is back to being alone again might very well be an emotional issue for a high strung individual that suffers with intense mood swings. That is not a character flaw.

Turning that into victim bashing makes mental issues a personal flaw. She had problems with interpersonal relationships - per her self report. She described being down a lot. That is mood stuff. Mood stuff is not bashing.

I am confident many here have read other information on line (some could be accurate IMO there are a lot of reports that fit with some issues). That will come out - maybe. Again, empathy should be the response - not bashing posters that are open to other possibilities.

I was stunned when the confession came out -- for days they had erroneously been reporting that he confessed to killing everyone. I am fair however. In much the same way I can ponder if his steroid abuse did not result in him losing it , I am open to possibility that she too, lost it that night. In fact, at this point that is only "report" we have.

I just can not grasp the notion that the world will think better of me if I "only" killed my wife and "only" did horrible things with the remains.

I think most of the posters here who find CW's version of events credible DO think better of him; it is awful but more excusable to believe he snapped like a Papa Bear upon seeing his wife KILLING his children then to think he cold-bloodedly KILLED THEM ALL. But again, this is a man capable of such a crime, so just because he thinks it will make him sound better (to his daddy, to everyone except perhaps those who truly loved SW) doesn't mean it has to be so. One simply has to believe that CW saw this was a better version of events, and I think as his lies overtook him and as the evidence mounted he saw this as a way to save a tiny bit of face. I also think it goes with his sadistic streak at the end to want to drag SW down into the mud with him. He seems himself as the victim and it is all her fault; by making it literally her fault, he salvages his own ego. I think many of those who buy into the CW version of things have a real distaste for his victim SW, and so it is a more palatable version for them. He has really succeeded in besmirching the reputation of one of his murder victims. I wonder if he will agree to life in prison because there is such a pie of evidence against him; he must suspect there is no way he will ever be a free man again. He does have the arrogance of Scott Peterson but I think in this case there is even more evidence against him and if he lets it come out at trial, it will paint a very ugly portrait of him.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Hi Mellow, You haven't missed much. Same shirt, different day. There's a status hearing tomorrow at 2 pm.

Thank PommyMommy, I was under the impression there’d be some kind of hearing today. Hopefully it will be revealing.