Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

[ZsaZsa]

“In an email sent Tuesday, Assistant Weld County Attorney Karin McDougal said the county would release the autopsy reports no more than 24 hours after the sentencing hearing is complete Nov. 19.”

Perfect!

Why not before? What is there to lose by releasing them now?

 

[nwmouse]

Creepy, creepy, creepy. Wonder what/who he’s staring at. CiCi’s little face is killing me—she felt so safe and happy holding on to Daddy’s leg. Prick !

I ECHO THIS!

 

[MassGuy]

Why not before? What is there to lose by releasing them now?

Nothing is official until sentencing. Just following protocol.

 

[Waterdog]

The job of a good and ethical defense attorney is to review the evidence and advise your client on what is best for him or her under the law that will control at trial. Sometimes you have to give your client bad news and tell them it appears that the facts are against them, the law is against them, and the state is not overreaching or violating his or her rights.

I think Chris had very good lawyers. I think they fought tooth-and-nail against the state when they thought the state was overreaching. They fought for the defendant's right to review the evidence against him.

But at the end of the day they aren't going to lead their client into a trial they do not think he can win. JMO but I think the evidence probably speaks for itself and it was not going to corroborate his story. I think some defense lawyers fall into the trap of offering their clients false hope in a bid for fame and billable hours. I'm glad that doesn't seem to have happened here.

He had great lawyers. Both sides were great and I'm very impressed with how this has been handled overall in CO. SW's family doesn't have the burden of ending his life or have to endure a trial.

RIP, Shan'ann, Bella, CeCe and Nico.

His pea brain can be entertained by flies for all I care.

 

[Johnny1181]

Not to inject too much personal information, my experience contributes to me also being appreciative of the defense seemingly laying it out so to speak to their client and ending this madness. I'm glad they did that. If they really did basically show CW he has no chance in hell of winning per the evidence, they did a service to the victims and families, who are also victims.

This case was resolved amazingly fast for a case of this magnitude IMO. I hope the defense attorneys were just as disgusted as we are and basically said dude, just give it up. It's obvious to the world what you did.

I have to get up early tomorrow and show up at court because in July I was assaulted and the person who assaulted me is facing 3 felony charges and three misdemeanors. They are already a multiply convicted felon. They managed to get a private attorney.

As a testament to tricks defense can play, they knowingly sent a subpoena to a wrong address to depose me. Of course I didn't get it and the prosecutor cried foul.

But they are still allowed to ask to exclude my testimony. So to prove that I am a victim willing to testify and to show the defense is playing games the prosecutor asked me to come to court tomorrow for the hearing. My attacker will be there. But it will prove to the judge I am willing to be deposed. Not anything of the magnitude of this case for sure but my point is the action of the attorneys.

A terrible process if you ask me. BUT! My point in relation to this case is that the defense attorneys didn't choose to play dirty. They realized they had an indefensible client and stopped the madness. I'm keeping in mind these are public defenders, they pretty much have to take the case. I'm glad they were able to contribute to ending the madness and did the right thing by convincing CW to just sign the dang papers and end the charades. jmo.

I'm not calling the defense attorneys heros by any means. But IMO, that was a hell of a feat to get him to sign so soon to every single charge as charged. And saves a lot of grief.

Edited to add: here I am November and just at the pretrial conference. Just to point out how quickly this heinous case was resolved.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes

I suspect he was going to stage a murder suicide.

Hide the kids in the tanks where he thought they would not be discovered.

Perhaps burn SW's corpse hoping to conceal the manner of death.

I am not sure how he planned to deal with her car etc. Maybe he was just too stupid to really figure all this out properly

I am now thinking that he did not plan anything. This is the issue. It was all spontaneous and impulsive.

Version one: he inadvertently murdered one of the kids and had to kill everyone else planning to conceal it. And then, in panic, hid them wherever - whatever first came to his mind.

Version two: he inadvertently killed Shanann and impulsively killed the kids as potential witnesses.

The inadvertent part is manslaughter. The other two are murders, the idiotic choices he makes that witness to his inability to think and plan as an adult.

Given the fact that he is now described as full of energy in jail, either indecisiveness is his huge issue and he feels well upon making the decision, or things in his life happen in the context of mood swings? I am thinking he had very high nervous energy after the killings since he dug the shallow grave very fast.

But I remember how the newspaper said, after his 3d or 4th day in jail, “the gravity of what he has done has set in”, and I was shocked. I thought, dude, it takes you almost a week to realize that you killed your family, your pregnant wife and two daughters?

But this is what he is, apparently. No logic, no thinking, no responsibility, the mentality of a dangerous child. And at this, someone always takes the decision for him. First, it was Shanann, then, his father.

I don’t know what function of his brain is at fault. Making decisions? Making fast decisions under stress? Taking responsibility? Something like it.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Fully!!!! How legitimate do you think TB is? Do you think his story adds up? The reason I ask is I have never been quite sure about the truth of that story, but I acknowledge that I haven't followed that story closely enough. I also saw some random FB post ages ago with a women claiming she had 'personal' contact with CW but couldnt say anymore. All signs of a narcissist regardless... totally out for himself.

I would give the TB story more credit if he hadn't previously interjected himself into other scandalous scenarios. Could be though....

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Not to inject too much personal information, my experience contributes to me also being appreciative of the defense seemingly laying it out so to speak to their client and ending this madness. I'm glad they did that. If they really did basically show CW he has no chance in hell of winning per the evidence, they did a service to the victims and families, who are also victims.

This case was resolved amazingly fast for a case of this magnitude IMO. I hope the defense attorneys were just as disgusted as we are and basically said dude, just give it up. It's obvious to the world what you did.

I have to get up early tomorrow and show up at court because in July I was assaulted and the person who assaulted me is facing 3 felony charges and three misdemeanors. They are already a multiply convicted felon. They managed to get a private attorney.

As a testament to tricks defense can play, they knowingly sent a subpoena to a wrong address to depose me. Of course I didn't get it and the prosecutor cried foul.

But they are still allowed to ask to exclude my testimony. So to prove that I am a victim willing to testify and to show the defense is playing games the prosecutor asked me to come to court tomorrow for the hearing. My attacker will be there. But it will prove to the judge I am willing to be deposed. Not anything of the magnitude of this case for sure but my point is the action of the attorneys.

A terrible process if you ask me. BUT! My point in relation to this case is that the defense attorneys didn't choose to play dirty. They realized they had an indefensible client and stopped the madness. I'm keeping in mind these are public defenders, they pretty much have to take the case. I'm glad they were able to contribute to ending the madness and did the right thing by convincing CW to just sign the dang papers and end the charades. jmo.

I'm not calling the defense attorneys heros by any means. But IMO, that was a hell of a feat to get him to sign so soon to every single charge as charged. And saves a lot of grief.

Sorry to hear this - sending positive thoughts and energy your way!!!

 

[Johnny1181]

Sorry to hear this - sending positive thoughts and energy your way!!!

Thank you. My point in the post is that IMO, the legal system rarely renders justice so swiftly and in this case I am so grateful it did.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Thank you. My point in the post is that IMO, the legal system rarely renders justice so swiftly and in this case I am so grateful it did.

I agree. I would love to see more cases handled as well as this was. KUDOS to them

 

[Johnny1181]

I am now thinking that he did not plan anything. This is the issue. It was all spontaneous and impulsive.

Version one: he inadvertently murdered one of the kids and had to kill everyone else planning to conceal it. And then, in panic, hid them wherever - whatever first came to his mind.

Version two: he inadvertently killed Shanann and impulsively killed the kids as potential witnesses.

The inadvertent part is manslaughter. The other two are murders, the idiotic choices he makes that witness to his inability to think and plan as an adult.

Given the fact that he is now described as full of energy in jail, either indecisiveness is his huge issue and he feels well upon making the decision, or things in his life happen in the context of mood swings? I am thinking he had very high nervous energy after the killings since he dug the shallow grave very fast.

But I remember how the newspaper said, after his 3d or 4th day in jail, “the gravity of what he has done has set in”, and I was shocked. I thought, dude, it takes you almost a week to realize that you killed your family, your pregnant wife and two daughters?

But this is what he is, apparently. No logic, no thinking, no responsibility, the mentality of a dangerous child. And at this, someone always takes the decision for him. First, it was Shanann, then, his father.

I don’t know what function of his brain is at fault. Making decisions? Making fast decisions under stress? Taking responsibility? Something like it.

He pleaded guilty and signed his name to murders after deliberation. Not acts of spontaneous or impulsive acts. You can read in the link to his plea.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...2018CR2003/Written Waiver and Guilty Plea.pdf

 

[Johnny1181]

I am now thinking that he did not plan anything. This is the issue. It was all spontaneous and impulsive.

Version one: he inadvertently murdered one of the kids and had to kill everyone else planning to conceal it. And then, in panic, hid them wherever - whatever first came to his mind.

Version two: he inadvertently killed Shanann and impulsively killed the kids as potential witnesses.

The inadvertent part is manslaughter. The other two are murders, the idiotic choices he makes that witness to his inability to think and plan as an adult.

Given the fact that he is now described as full of energy in jail, either indecisiveness is his huge issue and he feels well upon making the decision, or things in his life happen in the context of mood swings? I am thinking he had very high nervous energy after the killings since he dug the shallow grave very fast.

But I remember how the newspaper said, after his 3d or 4th day in jail, “the gravity of what he has done has set in”, and I was shocked. I thought, dude, it takes you almost a week to realize that you killed your family, your pregnant wife and two daughters?

But this is what he is, apparently. No logic, no thinking, no responsibility, the mentality of a dangerous child. And at this, someone always takes the decision for him. First, it was Shanann, then, his father.

I don’t know what function of his brain is at fault. Making decisions? Making fast decisions under stress? Taking responsibility? Something like it.

Maybe just a narcissistic sociopath. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe just a narcissistic sociopath. IMO

That’s exactly what I have thought him to be from day 1.

He’s Scott Peterson, with less charisma but more depravity.

 

[PommyMommy]

Not to inject too much personal information, my experience contributes to me also being appreciative of the defense seemingly laying it out so to speak to their client and ending this madness. I'm glad they did that. If they really did basically show CW he has no chance in hell of winning per the evidence, they did a service to the victims and families, who are also victims.

This case was resolved amazingly fast for a case of this magnitude IMO. I hope the defense attorneys were just as disgusted as we are and basically said dude, just give it up. It's obvious to the world what you did.

I have to get up early tomorrow and show up at court because in July I was assaulted and the person who assaulted me is facing 3 felony charges and three misdemeanors. They are already a multiply convicted felon. They managed to get a private attorney.

As a testament to tricks defense can play, they knowingly sent a subpoena to a wrong address to depose me. Of course I didn't get it and the prosecutor cried foul.

But they are still allowed to ask to exclude my testimony. So to prove that I am a victim willing to testify and to show the defense is playing games the prosecutor asked me to come to court tomorrow for the hearing. My attacker will be there. But it will prove to the judge I am willing to be deposed. Not anything of the magnitude of this case for sure but my point is the action of the attorneys.

A terrible process if you ask me. BUT! My point in relation to this case is that the defense attorneys didn't choose to play dirty. They realized they had an indefensible client and stopped the madness. I'm keeping in mind these are public defenders, they pretty much have to take the case. I'm glad they were able to contribute to ending the madness and did the right thing by convincing CW to just sign the dang papers and end the charades. jmo.

I'm not calling the defense attorneys heros by any means. But IMO, that was a hell of a feat to get him to sign so soon to every single charge as charged. And saves a lot of grief.

Edited to add: here I am November and just at the pretrial conference. Just to point out how quickly this heinous case was resolved.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience, Johnny. People suck! And yes, the wheels of justice turn slowly ~ usually. Best of luck to you tomorrow.

 

[Johnny1181]

I'm sorry to hear about your experience, Johnny. People suck! And, the wheels of justice turn slowly. Best of luck to you tomorrow.

Thank you! I just have to show up in a suit despite overwhelming evidence and sit in the galleys to show hey, I'm here, I'm credible, and not giving up. It's a move on the prosecutor's part I'm more than willing to participate in to get my justice.


I am so grateful that in a case of this magnitude, and so horrific, it's over so quickly. I can't imagine what friends and family would have gone through. I'm glad this part is over for them, although their grief will shadow the rest of their lives.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, the creative thinking! Arrgghh! I posted on that many threads ago, and can't find it now, but it was along the lines of "Some people watch too much CSI or read too many Agatha Christie novels or something!" Some always want to turn it into a complicated case with twists and surprise endings.

With my respect, the grandma of the detective stories wrote logically.

It was Mary Higgins Clark whose heroes always ended behind bars, and of course the murderer was someone we never thought about (but very predictable by 1/2 of the book).

 

[book-thinker]

Yes, he's a special kind of evil.

Chris's hell! Is behind bars the rest of his life. Before going to sleep each night, he will see the realization
of his actions. Knowing he murdered his wife Shannon, baby Niko, and beautiful daughters, Bella and Celeste.

Prisoner's have a special hate for Chris's type.
He will be watching his back for the rest of his life.

Shannon, Niko, Bella and Celeste, may the lord give you peace.

 

[ZsaZsa]

He had great lawyers. Both sides were great and I'm very impressed with how this has been handled overall in CO. SW's family doesn't have the burden of ending his life or have to endure a trial.

RIP, Shan'ann, Bella, CeCe and Nico.

His pea brain can be entertained by flies for all I care.

I dunno. Just a couple of weeks ago they were whining that it was impossible for their client to get a fair trial. Now they advise him to plead guilty and according to an 'insider' quoted in People magazine yesterday, they had to twist his arm to get him to agree to it...
Maybe I am buying trouble ahead of time but I envision him coming back in a couple of years to say he was pressured into it by his defeatist attorneys holding death penalty threats over his head .

 

[Johnny1181]

Wanted to edit response to PommyMommy to add... this is the first case I've followed here. And in case no one told you today... you rock!

 

[molly1255]

Not to inject too much personal information, my experience contributes to me also being appreciative of the defense seemingly laying it out so to speak to their client and ending this madness. I'm glad they did that. If they really did basically show CW he has no chance in hell of winning per the evidence, they did a service to the victims and families, who are also victims.

This case was resolved amazingly fast for a case of this magnitude IMO. I hope the defense attorneys were just as disgusted as we are and basically said dude, just give it up. It's obvious to the world what you did.

I have to get up early tomorrow and show up at court because in July I was assaulted and the person who assaulted me is facing 3 felony charges and three misdemeanors. They are already a multiply convicted felon. They managed to get a private attorney.

As a testament to tricks defense can play, they knowingly sent a subpoena to a wrong address to depose me. Of course I didn't get it and the prosecutor cried foul.

But they are still allowed to ask to exclude my testimony. So to prove that I am a victim willing to testify and to show the defense is playing games the prosecutor asked me to come to court tomorrow for the hearing. My attacker will be there. But it will prove to the judge I am willing to be deposed. Not anything of the magnitude of this case for sure but my point is the action of the attorneys.

A terrible process if you ask me. BUT! My point in relation to this case is that the defense attorneys didn't choose to play dirty. They realized they had an indefensible client and stopped the madness. I'm keeping in mind these are public defenders, they pretty much have to take the case. I'm glad they were able to contribute to ending the madness and did the right thing by convincing CW to just sign the dang papers and end the charades. jmo.

I'm not calling the defense attorneys heros by any means. But IMO, that was a hell of a feat to get him to sign so soon to every single charge as charged. And saves a lot of grief.

Edited to add: here I am November and just at the pretrial conference. Just to point out how quickly this heinous case was resolved.

And best wishes to you with our case. What an awful thing to have to go through.

 

[Johnny1181]

And best wishes to you with our case. What an awful thing to have to go through.

Thank you. I really wasn't trying to draw attention to myself but I thought the info was relevant.

I'm lucky I have an extremely determined prosecutor, but unfortunately a payed private attorney will drag it out and test me to quit. It's my first experience with the system and it's rough as a victim. Rougher than it should be imo.

I am grateful this case is over and resolved as far as the court process is concerned. A very determined prosecutor and a defense team that laid down the truth to their client and ended it. jmo