Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

[Johnny1181]

Night. Keep shining like Shanann, we will all feel better about ourselves.
ETA: jmo

 

[Charlot123]

I just had a thought. I wonder if the DA had a lot of evidence of CW affairs and sexual proclivities and it was explained that this would all come out in trial with witnesses and evidence. And everyone will know. I think this would explain CW's capitulation, his anger, and frustration, because it is not something he wants to come out!

I’d rather think the APs of CW are not interested in all of this information getting out, nor are their relatives and current partners. In short, no one wants him to say too much. It is OK with me as I think CW primarily thought of himself.

 

[cailleach]

Exactly. A death sentence would come after a painful trial. Then there would be decades of appeals and he likely would have died an old man, which is the same result we have here.

I was hoping that the DA would go for the death penalty, only because I hoped that it would force his hand and make him plea.

It’s over now, as painlessly as possible.

The reality of it was applied with full force, as it should have been. I have felt slightly light in the last day just knowing that justice will be served.

CW is a weak, soulless, entity. I agree with @gitana1 that he will likely commit suicide at some point because he will not be able to handle hearing what other inmates say to a child murderer because he believes himself superior and entitled. Men can get by with killing wives and girlfiends but when you kill innocent babies you fall at the bottom of the pecking order in prison. Yes, our jails should be safe for people to pay their debt to society, and CW owes us a debt of four lifetimes, but let's not be so nieve as to not acknowledge the reality of what prison is really like.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Scott Reisch, a CO Attorney, talks about this case. Very interesting.

 

[Charlot123]

Regarding the order of these horrific deaths, I may be interpreting wrong but I believe the prosecutor said in the press conference that they don't know. And the only way they could know would be if CW told them, but they cannot believe a word he would say so it remains unknown. jmo

ETA: that tells me they weren't able to put together a timeline through the autopsies. I'm curious to see the theory they hopefully put forth after this FA is sentenced.

I think they know but think it might implicate other people, indirectly, and since CW, who is the killer, acknowledged it, they want to close the case w/o disclosing too many details. Sooner or later, people will fill in all the blanks, of course.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Exactly. A death sentence would come after a painful trial. Then there would be decades of appeals and he likely would have died an old man, which is the same result we have here.

I was hoping that the DA would go for the death penalty, only because I hoped that it would force his hand and make him plea.

It’s over now, as painlessly as possible.

I agree, this is the best outcome. The DA did not compromise on a single charge, and ensured the sentences run consecutively, giving full justice to each and every life CW chose to take.

I love that DA.

 

[Charlot123]

He pleaded guilty and signed his name to murders after deliberation. Not acts of spontaneous or impulsive acts. You can read in the link to his plea.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/Written Waiver and Guilty Plea.pdf

Yes I did. But as you can guess, I am not a lawyer. I totally misunderstood “intimacy” in that context, another phrase they used, and remembered one of APs describing him as “animalistic”, and started thinking. How would I know that intimacy in juridical lingo also means “family life”?

But still - does it mean, necessarily, premeditated? Or is the parlance also used to close any chance of the defendant blaming it on temporary insanity, or “crime of passion”?

 

[Colorado303]

Just popped back in so this may be old news but Denver7 just reported that autopsy will be reased 11/19 after the sentencing hearing.

 

[Johnny1181]

I think they know but think it might implicate other people, indirectly, and since CW, who is the killer, acknowledged it, they want to close the case w/o disclosing too many details. Sooner or later, people will fill in all the blanks, of course.

No. They said they do know. And the only person implicated in this horrific crime directly is Chris Watts. This prosecutor is not afraid of details. He demanded them.

The bottom line is his confession filled in the blanks. Accept it. The details are forthcoming once this FA is sentenced. No one else is implicated.
Details without implications will be released by the prosecutor. jmo Chris Watts is the only implicated party here. jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

Yes I did. But as you can guess, I am not a lawyer. I totally misunderstood “intimacy” in that context, another phrase they used, and remembered one of APs describing him as “animalistic”, and started thinking. How would I know that intimacy in juridical lingo also means “family life”?

But still - does it mean, necessarily, premeditated? Or is the parlance also used to close any chance of the defendant blaming it on temporary insanity, or “crime of passion”?

He confessed and signed to premeditated. Despite your references to outside speculation which is now mute considering his signed confession. jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

Yes I did. But as you can guess, I am not a lawyer. I totally misunderstood “intimacy” in that context, another phrase they used, and remembered one of APs describing him as “animalistic”, and started thinking. How would I know that intimacy in juridical lingo also means “family life”?

But still - does it mean, necessarily, premeditated? Or is the parlance also used to close any chance of the defendant blaming it on temporary insanity, or “crime of passion”?

It's over. He confessed

 

[cailleach]

I think they know but think it might implicate other people, indirectly, and since CW, who is the killer, acknowledged it, they want to close the case w/o disclosing too many details. Sooner or later, people will fill in all the blanks, of course.

Rourke will comment on what they believe the motive was, at least in part, after business is taken care of on the 19th. My guess is they are going to say he wanted rid of the family to pursue his affairs. He didn't want the burden of child support and an expensive divorce.

 

[Seattle1]

Good description of the the procedures and questions that likely took place at Chris Watt hearing on 11/6/18.
by Crime Talk with Colorado Attorney Scott Reisch
[15:50 minutes].

 

[Johnny1181]

Yes I did. But as you can guess, I am not a lawyer. I totally misunderstood “intimacy” in that context, another phrase they used, and remembered one of APs describing him as “animalistic”, and started thinking. How would I know that intimacy in juridical lingo also means “family life”?

But still - does it mean, necessarily, premeditated? Or is the parlance also used to close any chance of the defendant blaming it on temporary insanity, or “crime of passion”?

He signed to premeditated. It is what it is. jmo despite the people who crawled out of the woodwork. He did it, he's a monster... and signed his name to it.
It's done. Thank God. jmo

 

[LovesChocolate]

I just read the Written Waiver and Guilty plea. Can anyone explain to me the significance of the last page, Evidence Disposition Stipulation Order?

"Law enforcement holds evidence that contains known DNA" (checked NO)
"Evidence that has not been tested could be subjected to DNA test" (checked YES)
"This case includes DNA evidence that should be preserved" (checked NO)

 

[Charlot123]

The reality of it was applied with full force, as it should have been. I have felt slightly light in the last day just knowing that justice will be served.

CW is a weak, soulless, entity. I agree with @gitana1 that he will likely commit suicide at some point because he will not be able to handle hearing what other inmates say to a child murderer because he believes himself superior and entitled. Men can get by with killing wives and girlfiends but when you kill innocent babies you fall at the bottom of the pecking order in prison. Yes, our jails should be safe for people to pay their debt to society, and CW owes us a debt of four lifetimes, but let's not be so nieve as to not acknowledge the reality of what prison is really like.

It is not about CW. I don’t want to get into details; I truly enjoy the fact that this forum is free of politics or religion.

So - let us put it so. I understand why CW came to the hearing in a bullet-proof vest. (A coward! No, he’ll never kill himself in the prison).

But the fact that we are calmly discussing the fact that maybe CW will be killed in prison by an inmate since, sadly, he avoided death penalty, seems somewhat unethical to me. This being said, I am as angry with CW as anyone else.

I don’t want to attack anyone who thinks otherwise, btw. I recognize that the people have the right to feel this way after what he’s done. I wish all killers of young children or babies were brought to justice. It is very sad that it does not always happen. Some cases might never be solved.

It is more of a global issue, not specifically CW.

 

[cailleach]

I'm not a fan of the death penalty in general but I think it was used appropriately as a bargaining chip in this case. I didn't indicate he would be killed in prison but he will be tormented, and that is the reality of it. He won't be able to stand it, IMO. If given the opportunity, and I hope he isn't, he'll take the easy way out because he's a coward. We aren't here for a discussion of the need for prison and justice system reform but if we were we'd probably agree more than not.

 

[Johnny1181]

It is not about CW. I don’t want to get into details; I truly enjoy the fact that this forum is free of politics or religion.

So - let us put it so. I understand why CW came to the hearing in a bullet-proof vest. (A coward! No, he’ll never kill himself in the prison).

But the fact that we are calmly discussing the fact that maybe CW will be killed in prison by an inmate since, sadly, he avoided death penalty, seems somewhat unethical to me. This being said, I am as angry with CW as anyone else.

I don’t want to attack anyone who thinks otherwise, btw. I recognize that the people have the right to feel this way after what he’s done. I wish all killers of young children or babies were brought to justice. It is very sad that it does not always happen. Some cases might never be solved.

It is more of a global issue, not specifically CW.

This case has been solved. Jmo... which really isn't necessary because he signed to all charges as charged. This case has been solved..
And rightfully so, please treat loving wife and mother Shanann as the victim she is.

jmo

 

[Charlot123]

No. They said they do know. And the only person implicated in this horrific crime directly is Chris Watts. This prosecutor is not afraid of details. He demanded them.

The bottom line is his confession filled in the blanks. Accept it. The details are forthcoming once this FA is sentenced. No one else is implicated.
Details without implications will be released by the prosecutor. jmo Chris Watts is the only implicated party here. jmo

@Johnny1181,

The fact that CW killed them all I “accepted” since my first post.

But the fact that they are hastily closing the case without giving us any details, warning that he is a liar, is concerning.

There are several bigger players probably wanting the case to be closed, so that their names, or the names of their products, or their employees, is never mentioned in conjunction with it.

Well, imagine, now that he admitted to killing them, I want the details of the story, exactly what happened, and how, and why...

 

[Charlot123]

This case has been solved.

Solved??? This is not solved. That he killed them we knew from page one.

He admitted to killing them, finally. I want to know when, and how did he plan, and the motives, and his affairs (I don’t care about names, btw), and whether anyone else had them, and whose DNA are they keeping.