Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

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  • #1,001
CW being a coward is exactly why I think he will try to kill himself. In fact, I think it’s his plan. He thinks/knows he will never be able to handle prison for one month let alone for life. I think he’s terrified of it. I think he’s a weak, spoiled man who has been catered to and taken care of his whole life. It will really surprise me if he doesn’t try to take his own life.
 
  • #1,002
Solved??? This is not solved. That he killed them we knew from page one.

He admitted to killing them, finally. I want to know when, and how did he plan, and the motives, and his affairs (I don’t care about names, btw), and whether anyone else had them, and whose DNA are they keeping.
And the DA said that all of the details will be released after sentencing. We just have to be patient.
 
  • #1,003
I have been a lurker for a long time on this site.

I am glad to see this plea deal and the family sparred the agony of a trial.

I keep thinking about the family members of the victims, and even CW. They all are facing their first major holidays without their loved ones. Thanksgiving is a few weeks away, and there will be an entire family not there anymore. I can't even image what Christmas will be like for them. I hope that CW's confession and deal will ultimately help them as they navigate their profound grief this holiday season. I know I will be thinking about them often.
 
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Solved??? This is not solved. That he killed them we knew from page one.

He admitted to killing them, finally. I want to know when, and how did he plan, and the motives, and his affairs (I don’t care about names, btw), and whether anyone else had them, and whose DNA are they keeping.

I think we all want that or we wouldn’t be here but we will never have all of the answers. I do think we will get more information but we will never know the full story because I doubt he will ever sit down and tell the entire truth of exactly how it went down. If he ever tells his story it will be the same as he said before and he will lie about why he plead guilty to all counts. I, for one, don’t want to hear a single word from him ever again.
 
  • #1,005
I think we all want that or we wouldn’t be here but we will never have all of the answers. I do think we will get more information but we will never know the full story because I doubt he will ever sit down and tell the entire truth of exactly how it went down. If he ever tells his story it will be the same as he said before and he will lie about why he plead guilty to all counts. I, for one, don’t want to hear a single word from him ever again.
Yes. The evidence is our only hope of coming anywhere near the truth of what happened.

The DA was precisely right when he indicated that any allocution would likely be a lie.

The truth is out there, but it ain’t coming from the mouth of Chris Watts.
 
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Solved??? This is not solved. That he killed them we knew from page one.

He admitted to killing them, finally. I want to know when, and how did he plan, and the motives, and his affairs (I don’t care about names, btw), and whether anyone else had them, and whose DNA are they keeping.


It's solved. He murdered his babies one by one. Wrapped his fingers around their necks, faces inches away from theirs. Watching his babies die. Watching Bella and CeCe die as he strangled them.

It's solved. He put his hands around Shanann's neck... horrifying because she probably knew her
precious babies were gone... felt Nico dying... as Chris Watts strangled the life out of her and Nico

Then loaded up his family... who he ADMITTED to murdering.

Into the back of his truck....dump. Into the back of his truck... dump
And agaim... into the back of his truck... dump.

Drive... drive... drive.

Oil tank. Grab CeCe or Bella. Even the autopsies can't tell us. Climb up that ladder. DUMP Goes his daughter.
Now down.

Gather up the next baby. Gather her up. Climb up that ladder. DUMP goes his daughter.

Now down. Outta time. AP waiting after all.

Oh! Here's some dirt! That'll work for Shanan and Nico.

He confessed. Solved. This is not a victim blaming sight. IT'S SOLVED JMO. As per his signature. Confessing. jmo
 
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Rourke will comment on what they believe the motive was, at least in part, after business is taken care of on the 19th. My guess is they are going to say he wanted rid of the family to pursue his affairs. He didn't want the burden of child support and an expensive divorce.
It’s either that, or this was the product of an argument that escalated.

Either way, I believe that he had thought about this for a long time.

I just want clarity on the level of premeditation, which could potentially tie into the order of their killings.
 
  • #1,008
I have been a lurker for a long time on this site.

I am glad to see this plea deal and the family sparred the agony of a trial.

I keep thinking about the family members of the victims, and even CW. They all are facing their first major holidays without their loved ones. Thanksgiving is a few weeks away, and there will be an entire family not there anymore. I can't even image what Christmas will be like for them. I hope that CW's confession and deal will ultimately help them as they navigate their profound grief this holiday season. I know I will be thinking about them often.
Welcome to Websleuths, Utsarah! :)

You are so right. I'm will be thinking about them as well.​
 
  • #1,009
At the beginning I asked that. I mean even if he had gotten away with it, how is dealing with the police and an investigation, the media and relentless questions, and the endless questions, fear, terror and grief of friends and family how is all that easier than divorce?

And how on earth do they think they can get away with it when no one really does?

That's where I start to think something like being a narcissist comes in to play. Narcissists apparently have insecure identities. They don't adapt to change or deal with stressors well. And they can erupt into rage if they feel they're being unmasked.

They're also good at manipulating others so they aren't used to be confronted with lies.

Also, from what I've seen, family annihilators, mostly males, tend to come from enmeshed, dysfunctional families and have controlling/domineering mothers or sometimes fathers.

The type of families who, hypothetically, do things like refuse to accept anything but a meek and controllable daughter in law. Who do things like reject any creature who has a strong personality and can't be controlled. Refuse to attend the wedding, for example, because they dislike their son's choice so much.

Constantly blame every choice the couple makes that they don't like, on the daughter in law alone. Thing like incessantly undermine the daughter in law's parenting. Even if the consequences can be serious. Bad mouth the daughter in law to the son. Accuse her of not being good enough for their son/brother, etc., but of her thinking she's better than their family, putting on airs and acting too "perfect".

They usually come from the types of parents who completely annihilate their child's personality and then enmesh him with their own, perfect selves. So behind closed doors, during childhood, the son is carefully scrutinized for showing any emotion or idea that didn't mirror the annihilating parent's emotions or ideas. They are harshly criticized for showing signs of any independent personality, but given attention or affection for acting like the parent and being alert to the parent's moods and needs.

But in public, the parent will never accept any criticism of their child whatsoever. (Because being enmeshed means they feel the child is them, from what I've heard). So anything bad the child is accused of doing, the parent will never accept it. Their child is "perfect". (Cindy Anthony is a good example of this type of parent). Their child can tell transparent lies denying the bad deed and the parent will accept those lies without question (creating confidence in dishonesty for the child).

And if proof is irrefutable, another child or person influenced or controlled them or pushed them to it and that's why they did it. It is never their child's fault.

These are the types who, when their child is charged with a crime, will go to incredible lengths to prove their child is innocent. They will never accept guilt. They will come up with delusional excuses. Soundly disparage the police and prosecutors as being inept. They will express hatred and disdain of any witnesses for the state and call them stupid.

They will disparage and even blame the victims.

They will proudly and smugly defend their perfect child and even if they don't do so with verbal or written public statements, they may find other ways to publicly do so, like after the arrest and charges, posting featured social media photos of their child. For example, posting a photo of themselves with a smug smile as they stand proudly with their son in a photo that they put front and center, to send a defiant message to the world. "This is my perfect son. Screw YOU if you think he's guilty."

If the defense team tells their child the chances of winning are slim, they will react with disbelief and desperation and anger and work hard to find other counsel, perhaps asking everyone and anyone for suggestions of someone really good.

If their child is found guilty at trial, the defense team is inept. The witnesses lied. The jury was stupid and lazy. Everyone is against their child.

If their child pleads guilty, they cannot accept it. They may do things like erupt violently at media or any other hapless person in their midst. They will scream and rage at how stupid the defense team is and how it's all their fault. They may contradictorily also claim noble reasons that have nothing to do with guilt, for the guilty plea of their child.

I think the combination of the annihilator's narcissism and usually their families of origin, create a perfect storm where these shadow personalities feel backed in a corner but also confident in their ability to lie and get away with something bad.

They experience narcissistic panic at the thought of being seen as less than perfect by friends and family and colleagues. So divorcing a pregnant wife for an affair is not an option. Death is preferable than being unmasked.

And because they feel skilled at manipulating others and usually come from families where their lies are always believed and they're never held accountable for bad behavior, they somehow feel they can get away with murder, against all odds.

It's a perfect storm of fear and delusional confidence, IMO.

I can't think of any other reason why these people think such HORROR is the easier way out!
What a great description and explanation. And it IMO describes CW to a tee.
 
  • #1,010
I dunno. Just a couple of weeks ago they were whining that it was impossible for their client to get a fair trial. Now they advise him to plead guilty and according to an 'insider' quoted in People magazine yesterday, they had to twist his arm to get him to agree to it...
Maybe I am buying trouble ahead of time but I envision him coming back in a couple of years to say he was pressured into it by his defeatist attorneys holding death penalty threats over his head .

I think that it would be too late. The judge speaks to him personally, and asks if he is voluntarily making his confession without being coerced. He is given many chances to back out.

Which is why he also has to tell the court exactly what happened, and how and when he carried out each murder.

So once he speaks to a judge, in the courtroom, under oath, and confesses in a play by play fashion, admitting to each murder, it is really hard to come back later and say his public defenders made him say all of that. JMO
 
  • #1,011
Yes. The evidence is our only hope of coming anywhere near the truth of what happened.

The DA was precisely right when he indicated that any allocution would likely be a lie.

The truth is out there, but it ain’t coming from the mouth of Chris Watts.
Against better judgement, I'm going to hope for a miracle.

Hope to see him stand up, tell the truth, even just abbreviated truth of what happened, apologize to each and every family member and loved ones, beg for forgiveness and tell them he doesn't deserve their forgiveness, and show deep remorse.

12 days to go.
I'll prepare myself for the worst too though.
 
  • #1,012
Against better judgement, I'm going to hope for a miracle.

Hope to see him stand up, tell the truth, even just abbreviated truth of what happened, apologize to each and every family member and loved ones, beg for forgiveness and tell them he doesn't deserve their forgiveness, and show deep remorse.

12 days to go.
I'll prepare myself for the worst too though.
Exactly. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

I’ve seen this act before, and it usually leaves much to be desired.

We’ll see!
 
  • #1,013
Solved??? This is not solved. That he killed them we knew from page one.

He admitted to killing them, finally. I want to know when, and how did he plan, and the motives, and his affairs (I don’t care about names, btw), and whether anyone else had them, and whose DNA are they keeping.
You will probably be disappointed. Like Scott Peterson, CW is the only one who knows everything that happened, and there are no laws requiring him to tell us anything. Rourke did seem willing to tell us what he knows, after the sentencing, and he must have had enough evidence to convince CW his best option was to admit guilt, but that’s as good as it’s going to get, unless, maybe there’s a chance they didn’t all die from strangulation, or something unexpected like that. I doubt Rourke will reveal much about the AP because she’s innocent and doesn’t deserve an onslaught of publicity that would probably ruin her life. Your best hope is if CW gives an interview and spills all, but don’t count on it, and even if he did, according to Rourke, it probably would be packed with self aggrandizing lies.
 
  • #1,014
CW being a coward is exactly why I think he will try to kill himself. In fact, I think it’s his plan. He thinks/knows he will never be able to handle prison for one month let alone for life. I think he’s terrified of it. I think he’s a weak, spoiled man who has been catered to and taken care of his whole life. It will really surprise me if he doesn’t try to take his own life.
Well.....3 squares and a bed, sex and little responsibility. He might do just fine. imo
 
  • #1,015
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And dang well wish me luck on ironing this suit.

Shine like Shanan. We'll feel better about ourselves. jmo
 
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I dunno. Just a couple of weeks ago they were whining that it was impossible for their client to get a fair trial. Now they advise him to plead guilty and according to an 'insider' quoted in People magazine yesterday, they had to twist his arm to get him to agree to it...
Maybe I am buying trouble ahead of time but I envision him coming back in a couple of years to say he was pressured into it by his defeatist attorneys holding death penalty threats over his head .

They were doing their job and well. They worked all angles. They held the state accountable for not violating the defendant's constitutional rights and they forced the state to begin to prove its case.

They didn't donone thing that's as frivolous. It was all strategic and I really applaud the defense team.

I think it came down to they showed him the evidence, told him what it meant and that the chances of him not being found guilty of first degree murder of all three was practically nonexistent. They told him what trial would be like. They told him the last thing he could control was this outcome.

And I guess he believed them.

I think they did right by their client on all accounts. And it would take something insanely major for him to be allowed to withdraw his plea at this stage.
 
  • #1,017
I think that it would be too late. The judge speaks to him personally, and asks if he is voluntarily making his confession without beiha

Which is why he also has to tell the court exactly what happened, and how and when he carried out each murder.

So once he speaks to a judge, in the courtroom, under oath, and confesses in a play by play fashion, admitting to each murder, it is really hard to come back later and say his public defenders made him say all of that. JMO
But that seems to be his defenders arguments all along. They blamed SW for making him fully participate in acts that they deemed cruelty to children and now his defence team and the judge is making him admit to something that he did not do?
 
  • #1,018
I agree, this is the best outcome. The DA did not compromise on a single charge, and ensured the sentences run consecutively, giving full justice to each and every life CW chose to take.

I love that DA.

As I said. I knew looking at that guy from day one he would never accept less than full justice and accountability.

So when I was asked if I thought the DA would accept a deal my answer was yes. For LWOP and first degree murder for all three and that's exaclty what they got!!

But man, I was certain CW would not capitulate. After I heard the despicable story he created I was convinced he could never admit guilt.

I was wrong. Now I'm thinking he believed a lengthy, televised trial would be worse for him and his family and more seared in the public's memories than a guilty plea.
 
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Solved??? This is not solved. That he killed them we knew from page one.

He admitted to killing them, finally. I want to know when, and how did he plan, and the motives, and his affairs (I don’t care about names, btw), and whether anyone else had them, and whose DNA are they keeping.

Evidence will be released after the November 19 hearing. That will answer a lot of questions. But not all. Murderers are notorious liars (!!). If the evidence doesn’t answer a particular question, there’s not much anyone can do about it. That’s pretty much the status quo for any murder case - it’s very unusual the killer makes full disclosure and many still proclaim innocence (like Scott Peterson). But we’ll know what the evidence was after November 19 when this plea deal is set in stone and it’s all released.
 
  • #1,020
But that seems to be his defenders arguments all along. They blamed SW for making him fully participate in acts that they deemed cruelty to children and now his defence team and the judge is making him admit to something that he did not do?

Yay!! Nice to see you here!!

Yeah. Pretty gross, isn't it? It's like people have adopted the sick narrative that a dysfunctional family like Scott Peterson or Chris Coleman's created:

It's dysfunctional. It is. To believe a grown man was unable to assert himself because a woman like Shanann was too domineering. To believe that he had no agency with her. That he couldn't even defend or protect his kids. That he was pushed to murder or commit homicide. And now pushed to give in.

He's such a weak sweetie who need protection and help.

It's pathological to me.
 
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