Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

[PrimeSuspect]

Sorry gitana1. His first conversation with his dad before he confessed. Would that have been recorded, because I think you replied to the other poster it may be released in due course.

I hope so if only to see CW's overall demeanour while lying again. A Psych evaluation would be valuable in this instance. I wonder which category he fits in the FA profile now.

Family annihilators "are driven to kill their family for a number of reasons," Garrett said. "Many times it's for financial problems. And the belief is that men, in particular, will kill their family because they have lost their ability to support them. And it gets into the male ego identity.
"Losing identity is the key component here.”
Family annihilators don't typically think through the end result -- potentially being arrested -- instead focusing on "the immediate need and gain of the moment," Garrett said.
But "family annihilators are never spontaneous," he said, adding that the crimes are premeditated and build up over week or months.

When people kill close relatives: Explaining 'family annihilators'

 

[JEM1975]

Shanann's family is a class act. And so are you, Colorado. Thank you for being here and standing up for your friend the way you have. I know it hasn't been easy, but you should be very proud. (((Hugs)))

I couldn't agree more! Thank you @Colorado303..... you are a truly amazing friend and have conducted yourself with great character! You remind all of is what a wonderful person Shanann was and she surrounded herself with friends that were as high class as she!

 

[molly1255]

I’m so curious about the HIPAA information. I mean what is it that CW did not want the public to know?

JMO, that he is a psychopath and that showed up in a psych evaluation? IDK. I do think he is,

 

[riolove77]

I am supremely anxious for Nov. 19 so that it can be accepted by the judge and set in stone. And also because I really do want to hear more from Rourke, and see the unsealed autopsy reports too. As far as hearing the truth from CW goes, I certainly will not count on that ever happening. Thus, the more evidence the DA gives us after the 19th, the better we can cultivate the most likely scenario of what really did happen.

 

[ZsaZsa]

It is unbelievable.

What are you seeing?

 

[Tortoise]

JMO, that he is a psychopath and that showed up in a psych evaluation? IDK. I do think he is,

I don't think that diminishes responsibility though when it comes to convictions or sentencing. I could be wrong.

 

[mickey2942]

So glad for SW's family, that they are spared a trial. Putting SW on "trial" for killing her children, victim blaming, would have been senseless and hateful. I don't think that his legal team was up to that, at the first hearing, I noticed how they leaned away from him, like he was a repugnant slug. Which, he is...

 

[idfinch]

How Chris Watts Decided to Plead to Killing Family: 'Eventually He Acknowledged His Life Was Over'

This one reads differently than the other 3 IMO. It certainly has a slant due to the comments from a "source close to [him]"

"Chris Watts Yelled & Cried Before Deciding To Plead"

“There was some yelling, and some crying,” the source says of Chris. “But eventually he acknowledged that his life was over after he killed Shan’ann. He would have been facing years of legal challenges, and best-case scenario he would have been acquitted. Worst-case scenario, he gets put to death.”

The source continues: “Even up until this week, it wasn’t clear if he would change his mind. He certainly could have. But he made the right choice for himself, and probably the right choice for his family.”

Mmmmhmm. Killed Shan'ann. No mention of killing the girls. Mention of best case being aquittal (um... no). Right choice for him. And his family. OK.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

What are you seeing?

People still saying CW is innocent

 

[riolove77]

So glad for SW's family, that they are spared a trial. Putting SW on "trial" for killing her children, victim blaming, would have been senseless and hateful. I don't think that his legal team was up to that, at the first hearing, I noticed how they leaned away from him, like he was a repugnant slug. Which, he is...

I noticed that too. I bet they're relieved as all hell tonight.

 

[Seattle1]

In case you are referring to my post (not at all sure if you are...)

I was asked earlier today what I thought the plea would be - I said I had no idea - but solely due to the fact that it was happening so early in the process, I would assume it would be for less than the full list of charges. It was a total guess, based only on the timing, that some of the “duplicate” charges (secondary counts for the girls) or the disposal charges may be dropped.

Not an exoneration of any type, or an implication that SW had anything to do with it. Just a guess . But dropping the DP for LWOP works too...

Respectfully, I'm very confused by your answer. Are you saying that it's possible for the parties to ignore and/or waive elements of Colorado Criminal Code in a plea because one considers it a "duplicate" charge? How does that work? More specifically, how can the defendant plead guilty to first degree murder of his own 3 and 4 year of children, and ignore that the person committing the offense (i.e., Father) was not in a position of trust to these children?

ETA: As you know, this is a charge unique to Colorado. TIA
(Section 18-3-102 (1)(f). C.R.S.).

 

[MCDRAW]

She's been referred to as "NUA" here. She's the friend of SW who went to her house to check on her, called CW and then called LE. Many people, myself included believe that her actions that day prevented CW from being able to possibly "fix" things at the house and the work site because she very quickly involved LE.

NUA is what I remembered, so thank you for reminding me.

 

[gitana1]

Ah, so to back up the deal they had to file the psych report or consultation maybe.

Maybe but they were likely working two angles at once.

 

[molly1255]

I am supremely anxious for Nov. 19 so that it can be accepted by the judge and set in stone. And also because I really do want to hear more from Rourke, and see the unsealed autopsy reports too. As far as hearing the truth from CW goes, I certainly will not count on that ever happening. Thus, the more evidence the DA gives us after the 19th, the better we can cultivate the most likely scenario of what really did happen.

Yeah, the only truth that CW has or will ever tell is that he murdered them all, and did so after deliberation. I agree, other information we will hopefully get to see will help with the most likely scenario.

JMO, but whatever CW didn't want his parents to know was going to come out in trial, and I think that was more frightful to him than facing a possible death sentence.

JMO.

 

[ZsaZsa]

This one reads differently than the other 3 IMO. It certainly has a slant due to the comments from a "source close to [him]"

"Chris Watts Yelled & Cried Before Deciding To Plead"

“There was some yelling, and some crying,” the source says of Chris. “But eventually he acknowledged that his life was over after he killed Shan’ann. He would have been facing years of legal challenges, and best-case scenario he would have been acquitted. Worst-case scenario, he gets put to death.”

The source continues: “Even up until this week, it wasn’t clear if he would change his mind. He certainly could have. But he made the right choice for himself, and probably the right choice for his family.”

Mmmmhmm. Killed Shan'ann. No mention of killing the girls. Mention of best case being aquittal (um... no). Right choice for him. And his family. OK.

Yes, interesting. Sounds like a perfect setup for him to come back at some point and say he was badgered into agreeing to plead guilty.

 

[MCDRAW]

Nicole is NUA, Shanann's friend who dropped her off home, and the one who raised the alarm, she spoke to CW via the door/camera/phone/intercom (no idea what it's called! )

Thank you!

 

[MCDRAW]

She’s Shanann’s friend who called the police for a welfare check the day they all went missing. Sometimes referrred to as NUA on here.

Thank you.

 

[gitana1]

Sorry gitana1. His first conversation with his dad before he confessed. Would that have been recorded, because I think you replied to the other poster it may be released in due course.

I think there's a good chance it would.

 

[MCDRAW]

She’s Shanann’s friend who called the police for a welfare check the day they all went missing. Sometimes referrred to as NUA on here.

Thank you!

 

[molly1255]

NUA is what I remembered, so thank you for reminding me.

You're welcome. That's what I thought and I added the additional detail about what she did, just in case.

 

[MCDRAW]

She was the friend with SW on the Arizona trip and the one who alerted police that SW was not answering phone and asked for a welfare check

Thank you!

 

[Amandaaa]

Respectfully, I'm very confused by your answer. Are you saying that it's possible for the parties to ignore and/or waive elements of Colorado Criminal Code in a plea because one considers it a "duplicate" charge? How does that work? More specifically, how can the defendant plead guilty to first degree murder of his own 3 and 4 year of children, and ignore that the person committing the offense (i.e., Father) was not in a position of trust to these children? TIA
(Section 18-3-102 (1)(f). C.R.S.).

They’re not “ignoring” the criminal code - but when parties enter into a plea bargain, they can agree to a wide variety of things - as long as both sides are in agreement.

That can include dropping some of the charges. There would be nothing preventing the DA from offering (in theory) one count for each person - dropping, for instance, the disposal charges.

I’m not at all suggesting that would have been done - OR that it would have been anything either side would have been interested in - just that I’ve seen that type of resolution before.

As I said before - I thought there would be a plea, but had no clue what it would involve. I was just trying to use common sense to think what type of scenario would be agreeable to both sides so early in the process, before all the cards are out on the table.

Unless you’re in the room (and have all the info), it’s impossible to know.

 

[Tortoise]

I think there's a good chance it would.

Thank you