Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

[Best of What's Around]

I was under the impression he only "used" the Thrive products, not sold them. I thought his work was with the oil company.

He was a promoter for that company as well. As I understand it, many people consider it a part time endeavor for extra income. I am personally not a fan of these types of companies, but I can understand the attraction for people. He was certainly involved and did promote this company and benefit from both of their involvement in it.

 

[Kadoober]

Last pic of the girls...

This is the first time I've seen this picture, and it's killing me. Look at how sweet and tiny they are are.
And looming overhead, in his f-ing Carolina shirt, is their protector. Their hero. Their daddy. Their cold, dead eyed Daddy. Likely already set on ending these beautiful lives.
People are incredible.

 

[Seattle1]

I doubt. Aaron Hernandez had a very different emotional/neurological problem. The problem with CW is his ability to self-detach, so even the feeling of remorse might be flattened. We shall see.

My post was about CW potential suicide prior to sentencing. Sorry if it didn't read that way as I had no intention on comparing their psyche's. (Arron Hernandez murder conviction was abated when he died while conviction was under appeal).

 

[AbbyG]

Considering how this couple was all about appearances, I doubt if divorce was an option for them. They wanted to project this image of "happiness and success," when behind closed doors there was fighting. lack of trust between them and serious financial problems. Given that $90,000.00 was provided as their combined financial income, they were swamped by debt. No way where I come from could they ever have qualified for a $400,000 home. They did not even pay their Home owners assn fees. Who really knows how much $$ she spent a month on her "business,"+ expenses, dinners, travel, etc. She must have spent considerable time away from her children. At some point, I can imagine each of them wanted out of the situation. In trying to look at this from the angle of both C & S, the stresses of all of it must have been building up to take a considerable tole on the marriage itself. It was a tinderbox. Those poor babies. MOO

I don't see it as a tinderbox at all, as if Shannan is to blame as well??? I don't understand some of the implications here. You probably didn't mean for any of this to sound apologetic for CW but am I alone in hearing a lot of excuses for him and indictment of her? Her trips were quick, she did direct marketing to spend more time at home with her beloved children, not less. CW ALONE was the tinder, fuel and flame of this particular tinderbox. He destroyed his family when he could have divorced his wife and been the husband and father he was inside. No it isn't what a pregnant devoted wife and mom would want but she was relatable and real and honest unlike him, and I have no doubt she would have dealt with it, transcended it, and used this dark time to help others as well. <modsnip - telling others how to post>

 

[NuttMegg]

I was under the impression he only "used" the Thrive products, not sold them. I thought his work was with the oil company.

He's an admitted premeditated murderer of 3 human beings and a fetus, his entire family. What difference does it make if he just used or also sold those products?

 

[MsBetsy]

And who knows how much he spent on his running, HIS involvement in the business, HIS trips away and let’s not forget wining and dining his *possibly multiple* AP.

Why are we only pointing out what she *might* have wasted in the family income?

Yes, and I never got the impression that Shanann spent considerable time away from the children. It sounded to me like she spent more time with them than he did. Jmo

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I was gone this afternoon, so I haven't caught up. Can you explain what about the waiver and plea makes you think that? I have thought that since the beginning, but it was just a feeling.

The dates for the girls says between and including Aug 12th and 13th and for SW & NW the date is Aug 13th. The dates are the same as what is in the arrrest affidavit. Unless the autopsy was unable to determine time of death.

 

[MCDRAW]

Absolutely! It seemed to leave open the idea that he wasn't really confessing, just that he was doing so as the lesser of 2 evils.....either cop a plea to something you didn't do, or...die. Clearly the source for that had a ring side seat and is sympathetic to cw. It almost seems like some sort of press representative for him.

This whole case seems to have been like that. We know next to nothing about him but Shanann"s whole life, every move, every spoken word, every typed word has been under a microscope. The media continually showed Shanann's family in the courtrooms (which I hate and think shouldn't be done. Scan and show who they are but keep it moving. No one should keep a camera on someone that is grieving They deserve to grieve in private JMO) The media has not shown one picture of his family. I can't figure out why the media respected them but not Shanann's family.

 

[kiwilaura]

He was a promoter for that company as well. As I understand it, many people consider it a part time endeavor for extra income. I am personally not a fan of these types of companies, but I can understand the attraction for people. He was certainly involved and did promote this company and benefit from both of their involvement in it.

Agree. My understanding was that he was part of Shannan’s downline - so would have had earnings (obviously much smaller but I seem to recall him achieving targets and being rewarded), as well as earning her commission.

 

[SweetPeas56]

Thank you, I am glad for this. I didn’t know who they were so I did a web search and listened to parts of a recent podcast today.

I don’t know if it’s how they always are, but I ended up disgusted and feeling like I wanted to shower. It didn’t feel very victim friendly in places with a lot of gossipy rumors. JMO.

I'm glad too. One line of one of their tweets was all I needed. And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[molly1255]

Has CW told us or the state what actually happened? Or did he just say guilty to all charges and moved on?

It was difficult for me to tell what CW might have shared, but my impression in whole, from what the DA had to say is that essentially, CW will not be relied upon to provide a truthful disclosure.

It sounds like the DA has a partial motive, and it may be something that was deducted, rather than stated by CW. I'm anxious to hear that.

 

[Serena Angelique]

I think it's just angle and shadow? MOO

Apologies! Responded to wrong thread! But he does look menacing to me!

 

[NuttMegg]

Considering how this couple was all about appearances, I doubt if divorce was an option for them. They wanted to project this image of "happiness and success," when behind closed doors there was fighting. lack of trust between them and serious financial problems. Given that $90,000.00 was provided as their combined financial income, they were swamped by debt. No way where I come from could they ever have qualified for a $400,000 home. They did not even pay their Home owners assn fees. Who really knows how much $$ she spent a month on her "business,"+ expenses, dinners, travel, etc. She must have spent considerable time away from her children. At some point, I can imagine each of them wanted out of the situation. In trying to look at this from the angle of both C & S, the stresses of all of it must have been building up to take a considerable tole on the marriage itself. It was a tinderbox. Those poor babies. MOO

the husband has admitted to murdering the whole family. Now we're back to "she must have spent considerable time away from her children"? Now she and they had their lives stolen from them and she has no time at all left, alive, on earth. Yet it's still bash Shan'ann time?

 

[MCDRAW]

Considering how this couple was all about appearances, I doubt if divorce was an option for them. They wanted to project this image of "happiness and success," when behind closed doors there was fighting. lack of trust between them and serious financial problems. Given that $90,000.00 was provided as their combined financial income, they were swamped by debt. No way where I come from could they ever have qualified for a $400,000 home. They did not even pay their Home owners assn fees. Who really knows how much $$ she spent a month on her "business,"+ expenses, dinners, travel, etc. She must have spent considerable time away from her children. At some point, I can imagine each of them wanted out of the situation. In trying to look at this from the angle of both C & S, the stresses of all of it must have been building up to take a considerable tole on the marriage itself. It was a tinderbox. Those poor babies. MOO

All marriages have some kind of stress at different times. I don't care how much in debt they were, how much she spent on her business, or how much time away from her children she spent, she did not deserve to die. No one ever says, well that man spent so much time and effort on his business and was away from his family so much. Let a woman do those same things and suddenly it's wrong. Yes, those poor babies. And YES, poor Shanann. None of them deserved what happened to them.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Found a beautiful tribute video. Wow.
Sorry if someone already posted it. We are at 46 threads.
The person that made the video says,

"I read a FB comment from Frankie Rzucek who is the brother of Shanann Watts and the uncle of Bella, CeCe and unborn child Nico. In the comment he wrote that he didn't know how to make a video and attached some photos".

How poignant. That should be played at sentencing as part of the victim statments, IMO.

 

[MCDRAW]

And who knows how much he spent on his running, HIS involvement in the business, HIS trips away and let’s not forget wining and dining his *possibly multiple* AP.

Why are we only pointing out what she *might* have wasted in the family income?

THANK YOU!!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

This would not be right. Much as I don't approve CW's fan clubs, I think that it is not for the civilized people to take law in their hands.

On a personal side - I can understand the policemen, or the refinery workers who had to extract the bodies of the kids, just to go through it is unthinkable. So I bet there are people angry with CW. Still.

I am totally fine with life sentence for him. His family can't be returned back, and for the rest, the lengthy process, more lies and indignity...for what?

I'd like psychologists to work with him, to understand what the heck went through his head when he was killing the daughters. Where the breach in his thinking system is.

I agree. Thank God the families don’t have to be put through a trial. It would be just gut wrenching for them to see the Defense try to paint SW in a bad light and try to imply she murdered her children. (There is no way a happy, loving pregnant mother would kill her children for some man who wants to leave them, let alone risk living life without her unborn child. He was stupid and ridiculous and out of touch with reality if he actually thought anyone would believe him, with no solid evidence.
For me, I felt so shocked when I read he confessed to murdering his family. Even though I believed, in my mind, from the start, that he killed them I guess I was some how hoping he couldn’t have done it. How could anyone kill those precious, beautiful, happy little girls, and his loving, beautiful wife, and his unborn son. How could that even happen! But once he admitted to doing it, it was all the more real to me....the horror of how they died, by their father’s and husband’s hands. Unbelievable. Sickening. Inhumane.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

The dates for the girls says between and including Aug 12th and 13th and for SW & NW the date is Aug 13th. The dates are the same as what is in the arrrest affidavit. Unless the autopsy was unable to determine time of death.

If the autopsies reveal a time difference between the deaths of the girls and SW, I don't know what CW could say at sentencing to excuse himself, there's not a 'moment of madness' he can pretend took hold of him. Maybe, 'I'm as guilty as hell, take me away!'

 

[Serena Angelique]

Considering how this couple was all about appearances, I doubt if divorce was an option for them. They wanted to project this image of "happiness and success," when behind closed doors there was fighting. lack of trust between them and serious financial problems. Given that $90,000.00 was provided as their combined financial income, they were swamped by debt. No way where I come from could they ever have qualified for a $400,000 home. They did not even pay their Home owners assn fees. Who really knows how much $$ she spent a month on her "business,"+ expenses, dinners, travel, etc. She must have spent considerable time away from her children. At some point, I can imagine each of them wanted out of the situation. In trying to look at this from the angle of both C & S, the stresses of all of it must have been building up to take a considerable tole on the marriage itself. It was a tinderbox. Those poor babies. MOO

Her business was to project an outwardly successful appearance but I wouldn’t say that was all she was about. That’s pure speculation. And where do people see that she spent a considerable amount of time away from her kids? A couple work related vacations do not constitute neglect and CW went on most of those trips with her too -they last at the most 5 days! The rest of the time she was a stay at home mom. Her kids didn’t even go to daycare full time according to the school’s website.

I don’t imagine she wanted “out” of her situation either. Nothing I’ve seen or read suggests this. Poor Shanann AND her babies. There is absolutely nothing she did to her husband that might have led her to be deceived, blindsided and murdered. He was the one stuck to the notion of appearances-lying and claiming she killed their children! I maintan she would have been okay had they gone through a divorce but who would have looked bad leaving a pregnant woman with 2 young kids? Not her.

 

[Golden Girl]

what's the point? He has no assets and has pleaded guilty to all charges. I thought wrongful death suits are only if the defendant is found not guilty?

I thought the same thing since that's what happened in the O. J. case, but the Written Waiver and Guilty Plea (see page 8 of 9) states the following:

"The parties further stipulate that the Defendant will pay restitution as determined by the Court, including but not limited to the expenses for funeral and burial expenses for Shanann Watts, Bella Watts, Celeste Watts, and Nico Watts. Furthermore, the Defendant agrees to pay restitution covering the actual costs of specific future treatment pursuant to C.R.S. 18-1.3-603(1Xc)."

It seems that any assets Chris Watts has at the time of this agreement can be liquidated and used for reimbursement.