Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #46

[Jennifer17]

The was a 2 page witness list with several redacted names. I'm talking about a paragraph of text that was probably more descriptive than CW wanted public.

But why would it be descriptive on a list of witnesses? Were the other witnesses identified by their relationships to him?

 

[MassGuy]

But why would it be descriptive on a list of witnesses? Were the other witnesses identified by their relationships to him?

This is what we’re talking about. It’s the redaction in the arrest affidavit.

 

[Colorado303]

Considering how this couple was all about appearances, I doubt if divorce was an option for them. They wanted to project this image of "happiness and success," when behind closed doors there was fighting. lack of trust between them and serious financial problems. Given that $90,000.00 was provided as their combined financial income, they were swamped by debt. No way where I come from could they ever have qualified for a $400,000 home. They did not even pay their Home owners assn fees. Who really knows how much $$ she spent a month on her "business,"+ expenses, dinners, travel, etc. She must have spent considerable time away from her children. At some point, I can imagine each of them wanted out of the situation. In trying to look at this from the angle of both C & S, the stresses of all of it must have been building up to take a considerable tole on the marriage itself. It was a tinderbox. Those poor babies. MOO

there’s a lot of speculation and incorrect info in your post. There’s no evidence of fighting behind closed doors, your description of their financial position and and salary are years old and opinions stated as facts. I don’t know what else—I quit reading it.

 

[Jennifer17]

This is what we’re talking about.

I see now. I thought it was just the witness list. Thanks.

 

[Colorado303]

The was a 2 page witness list with several redacted names. I'm talking about a paragraph of text that was probably more descriptive than CW wanted public.

I believe at least some of the redacted content was identity of minor witnesses.

 

[Curiouslycuriousoli]

Off topic but this website is just horrid to navigate and use. Have you considered a overhaul?? X

 

[katydid23]

I think CW will like it in prison. He gets to work out in the weight room, and he gets to have the guards order him around, tell what to do and when, just like he likes it.

No more financial problems. He can make himself at home in his little cell, find himself a wifey, and live out his meager life. JMO

 

[Colorado303]

Is he smart enough to figure out how to do that? Sorry, was that rude?

Good point. Seeing how badly he bungled his cover-up, if he tried to hang himself he might just embarrass hinself. A mental image of him upside down hanging by a bedsheet tied to his ankle, swinging slowly and swearing loudly just flashed through my mind.

 

[Curiouslycuriousoli]

Eager to answer but want to wait until after sentencing hearing. 11/19 (when the court formally accepts the plea deal and investigation is officially closed).

Breaks my heart

 

[Curiouslycuriousoli]

Breaks my heart

And not you not answering

 

[Colorado303]

I have felt from the beginning that CW was a lying, cheating, deceptive fraud who strangled his loving, supportive wife and wonderful mother of his 2 babies to death and also strangled the life out of those baby girls. And then dumped them in oil and buried his wife and unborn son in dirt, got a pizza, and grinned for the cameras in his shirt. jmo

Fabulous job summing the whole crime up perfectly, caturing all that matters in 100 words or less. Bravo!!!!

 

[Seattle1]

But why would it be descriptive on a list of witnesses? Were the other witnesses identified by their relationships to him?

2 page list was in addition to the affidavit.

 

[Seattle1]

@MassGuy said: ↑
Agreed. That was atleast part of it. Face saving is important to him, and a trial would completely destroy his carefully crafted facade.

I recall how careful and courteous CW was at making certain the AP identity protected when the larges redacted passages of his arrest affidavit appeared related to the affair. Jerk...

ETA: rewrite my entire nonsensical post - sorry.

I recall how careful and courteous CW was at making certain his AP's identity was protected by redacting large passages of his arrest affidavit that appeared relative to his affair with a
co-worker.

 

[mtnlites]

Considering how this couple was all about appearances, I doubt if divorce was an option for them. They wanted to project this image of "happiness and success," when behind closed doors there was fighting. lack of trust between them and serious financial problems. Given that $90,000.00 was provided as their combined financial income, they were swamped by debt. No way where I come from could they ever have qualified for a $400,000 home. They did not even pay their Home owners assn fees. Who really knows how much $$ she spent a month on her "business,"+ expenses, dinners, travel, etc. She must have spent considerable time away from her children. At some point, I can imagine each of them wanted out of the situation. In trying to look at this from the angle of both C & S, the stresses of all of it must have been building up to take a considerable tole on the marriage itself. It was a tinderbox. Those poor babies. MOO

Your information for their debt and income is outdated. And who cares how much SHE spent on her business? How about the amount HE spent on his affair partners? He accompanied her on most of her business trips so I don't understand why people comment on how she spent so much time away from her kids. He was with her most of the time, why ignore that? For that matter, he was away from them for 5 weeks;SW was never away for more than just a few days. He cheated on her with multiple people; she provided him with a clean home, beautiful children, fun work trips, and enough pre-prepared meals to feed him for 5 weeks while she was away.

I am not real sure what the price of their home vs the price of homes in your area has to do with motive, either.

Many families go through financial struggles and stressors. That's life. They don't all wind up dead. However he reacted to such things is on him, not her. She may have been dominant, which is not a bad thing, but she did NOT control his thoughts and actions.

SW is not responsible for her husband's actions.

Personal responsibility for her and her children's deaths does not lie on her shoulders. He was an adult man with freewill. Whatever problems he may have had with her (IF there were any at all) is one thing, but he didn't stop with killing her-he literally murdered his own children. Toddlers. And not in a quick, humane way, either.

Perhaps he had a personality disorder. Maybe he had a mental illness. Or maybe he was just a jerk with rage. None of that was SW's fault.

He had other options. He chose not to accept them.

 

[Colorado303]

I would give the TB story more credit if he hadn't previously interjected himself into other scandalous scenarios. Could be though....

What other scandals has he been part of? Initially I assumed he was probably a fraud, but my opinion of him improved after listening to a podcast interview. If he has a repeat history of inserting himself in things like this I’ll definitely take anything he says w/lots more grains of salt.

 

[mtnlites]

What other scandals has he been part of? Initially I assumed he was probably a fraud, but my opinion of him improved after listening to a podcast interview. If he has a repeat history of inserting himself in things like this I’ll definitely take anything he says w/lots more grains of salt.

He appears to have at least an online connection/friendship to a guy who likes to insert himself into high-profile cases and stories and create frivolous lawsuits (over 2500 hundred of them) as a result.

 

[Jennifer17]

He appears to have at least an online connection/friendship to a guy who likes to insert himself into high-profile cases and stories and create frivolous lawsuits (over 2500 hundred of them) as a result.

Because he knows that person does not incriminate him, though

 

[Colorado303]

I wonder how this would have panned out had CW not given the TV interview and lawyered up before being charged.

We’ll have a better idea when info’s released 11/19 or 11/20, but I suspect they had enough evidence to charge him even w/o the TV interviews and confession. Likely they found even more damaging evidence when they went through phone and internet search records.

 

[mtnlites]

Because he knows that person does not incriminate him, though

No, it doesn't. But it was one of the reasons I was wary of his story in the beginning.

 

[MassGuy]

We’ll have a better idea when info’s released 11/19 or 11/20, but I suspect they had enough evidence to charge him even w/o the TV interviews and confession. Likely they found even more damaging evidence when they went through phone and internet search records.

I absolutely agree.

He appears to be something along the lines of a narcissistic sociopath. He plead because he saw no better option, and the bar would have been very high for him to make that decision.