Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[MsBetsy]

There is a good video of a FBI profiler talking about his interview. She cautioned that you have to look at demeanor in context of how they act on a day to day basis-shy-reserved etc. She did say it is unusual and takes in incredible amount of bravado and self importance to stand in front of the world and tell lies about your family you just killed , which is direct contrast to the many who see CW as a brow beaten husband who snapped and was driven to murdering his family. I tend to agree with the trained PHD with decades of experience.

Yes, there were many experts who analyzed every detail and every word. They all turned out to be right.

 

[MsBetsy]

My guess would be that their antennas went up at this point.

They probably weren’t sure what they were dealing with though, so until they got a clearer picture of something nefarious occurring, it’s just something they would have made a mental note of.

But once they realized that something very bad had happened, they were looking directly at him.

His interviews would have completely convinced them that he was responsible.

I hope we eventually get to see some of those interviews.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Absolutely it does. In the Gerard Baden-Clay case, he woke up that morning to his wife “missing”. He reported it at about 7am (couldn’t wait to get started on his story and his new life!). By 8.30am or so, police were swarming the house, homicide detectives had been called. Why? She could have gone for a walk, gone to the supermarket, anything! No, it was his strange behavior, coupled with a suspicious scratch on his cheek he tried to pretend was a cut from shaving.

They knew.

Behavior is everything. LE will attend vigils and funerals specifically looking for suspicious behavior.

They got there and bedding was in the trash. Her phone was lodged in the sofa. Her suitcase remained unopened at the bottom of the stairs and her purse was in the kitchen-she had not taken her medication, the girls car seats were in the car.

Her friend insisted that they were supposed to get together that day and she’d seen her barely 12 hours before when she had dropped her off. And Chris all the while contradicting himself and lying through his teeth and mentioning dropping the bomb that he wanted to separate with her at both 4 and 5 in the morning!

Those interviews were meant to see how he would twist things even more. I don’t think he fooled LE ever, from the point he claimed that the remote on the garage was messed up. JMO

 

[Tigerlily75]

They got there and bedding was in the trash. Her phone was lodged in the sofa. Her suitcase remained unopened at the bottom of the stairs and her purse was in the kitchen-she had not taken her medication, the girls car seats were in the car.

Her friend insisted that they were supposed to get together that day and she’d seen her barely 12 hours before when she had dropped her off. And Chris all the while contradicting himself and lying through his teeth and mentioning dropping the bomb that he wanted to separate with her at both 4 and 5 in the morning!

Those interviews were meant to see how he would twist things even more. I don’t think he fooled LE ever, from the point he claimed that the remote on the garage was messed up. JMO

And let’s not forget, the pièce de résistance, they had video evidence of her entering the house at 1.48am. And none of her leaving.

 

[Zella]

And let’s not forget, the pièce de résistance, they had video evidence of her entering the house at 1.48am. And none of her leaving.

Did we ever find out if the Wattses knew about the neighbor's camera? I remember learning about that here and in the Tibbets case and assuming that would never happen in my rural area, and then I found out one of my neighbors in fact does have a camera set up.

Just curious if it was something that was overlooked or unknown.

 

[mtnlites]

And let’s not forget, the pièce de résistance, they had video evidence of her entering the house at 1.48am. And none of her leaving.

Right. And her purse, phone, etc. left behind. If she were going to leave, whether for good or for just a little daytrip out with friends, these are items she would've taken with her. There would have been no reason not to. If she'd been leaving him and trying to get her and the girls away, I could see leaving the phone behind and maybe even the credit cards so that they couldn't be traced, but other belongings still would've been missing. The girls' epi pens, for instance. Her ID.

Yeah, they knew something was up. Good for them.

 

[MsBetsy]

Absolutely it does. In the Gerard Baden-Clay case, he woke up that morning to his wife “missing”. He reported it at about 7am (couldn’t wait to get started on his story and his new life!). By 8.30am or so, police were swarming the house, homicide detectives had been called. Why? She could have gone for a walk, gone to the supermarket, anything! No, it was his strange behavior, coupled with a suspicious scratch on his cheek he tried to pretend was a cut from shaving.

They knew.

Behavior is everything. LE will attend vigils and funerals specifically looking for suspicious behavior.

I remember that case. His wife had been "missing" for two hours and he greeted officers at the door dressed for work in his tie and cufflinks. Kind of like CW wore his new shirt. When officers traced her phone to the back of his house, they rushed out to check while he just sat there in his living room. They knew right away that he was involved. And... he also was having an affair.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Did we ever find out if the Wattses knew about the neighbor's camera? I remember learning about that here and in the Tibbets case and assuming that would never happen in my rural area, and then I found out one of my neighbors in fact does have a camera set up.

Just curious if it was something that was overlooked or unknown.

I believe he did not know about the camera at all.

 

[MassGuy]

Did we ever find out if the Wattses knew about the neighbor's camera? I remember learning about that here and in the Tibbets case and assuming that would never happen in my rural area, and then I found out one of my neighbors in fact does have a camera set up.

Just curious if it was something that was overlooked or unknown.

We simply don’t know.

During his interviews, CW referenced that camera, so he knew about it at that point.

We don’t know one way or another if he knew about that camera before the crime.

In a previous news article, that neighbor was quoted as saying that he had changed the orientation of the camera a day or two prior to the murders.

By shear luck, that camera captured something that it otherwise would not have.

 

[?mysterian?]

I'm curious about this, too. We know it's life, but to make it easier on his family, can they move him to where they live? I would hate to think his family, after going through all this, would have to up and move to be close to him. He can have visitors, correct? @gitana1 ??

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Jumping off your post, I'm curious about him being transferred also. I understand his family members are victims, but CW certainly didn't consider making anything easier on anyone except himself, so why make things easier for him now? He didn't make things easier for SW's family, did he?

He should have thought about that before he committed the crimes in Colorado.

 

[Zella]

Right. And her purse, phone, etc. left behind. If she were going to leave, whether for good or for just a little daytrip out with friends, these are items she would've taken with her. There would have been no reason not to. If she'd been leaving him and trying to get her and the girls away, I could see leaving the phone behind and maybe even the credit cards so that they couldn't be traced, but other belongings still would've been missing. The girls' epi pens, for instance. Her ID.

Yeah, they knew something was up. Good for them.

I think Shanann's medical conditions were a blessing in disguise for this, in a way. I don't know if they would have taken the initial missing reports so seriously if they hadn't been summoned because NUA alerted them that she may have collapsed and been unresponsive.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

And let’s not forget, the pièce de résistance, they had video evidence of her entering the house at 1.48am. And none of her leaving.

That's a big one!!

 

[MassGuy]

I think Shanann's medical conditions were a blessing in disguise for this, in a way. I don't know if they would have taken the initial missing reports so seriously if they hadn't been summoned because NUA alerted them that she may have collapsed and been unresponsive.

The pregnancy aspect on top of that, would have played a role.

 

[whisperOFwings]

I'm curious about this, too. We know it's life, but to make it easier on his family, can they move him to where they live? I would hate to think his family, after going through all this, would have to up and move to be close to him. He can have visitors, correct? @gitana1 ??

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BBM
I have no idea, I have no idea how any of this works.

 

[Zella]

The pregnancy aspect on top of that, would have played a role.

Yes, very true!

 

[mtnlites]

I think Shanann's medical conditions were a blessing in disguise for this, in a way. I don't know if they would have taken the initial missing reports so seriously if they hadn't been summoned because NUA alerted them that she may have collapsed and been unresponsive.

I think the girls' medical issues helped as well. SW may not have been on any medications for Lupus (I only go on mine when I am in a flare), but for the girls to have nut allergies yet nothing with them to treat that...yeah. That would definitely throw up a red flag. She had several things that made her at risk: she was pregnant, had young children with severe allergies with her, and she had an autoimmune disease. Girlfriend wasn't just going to walk off unprepared like that.

Honestly, with her house being as cleaned and organized as it was, as soon as I walked in and looked around I probably would've thought that she wouldn't just walk off and leave like that without taking anything. I am the most unorganized person I know and even I don't leave the house with my kids for the day without taking a bag of some snacks, a change of clothes, some Tylenol, and baby wipes (someone's always spilling something). And my kids are older than hers.

 

[kaykay543]

Not that there's anything to laugh about, but it's comical...him thinking he could plan a story of SW and the kids perhaps leaving and just disappearing and him not having "any inclination" of where they went when there was a camera pointing at his house the whole time. I have to believe they got into an argument and this was a crime of passion/ rage. He killed the children after SW as part of the cover.

Other than that, maybe he killed CeCe accidentally/or in a rage, and killed the other two to try and cover for it. I say this because of what he initially said about CeCe in the first couple of interviews. Plus, the reports of him crying when CeCe was named in court when he was giving his guilty plea. There's something to that.

3rd scenario, in short, he killed them to be free. How ironic.

There was no rage killing. He signed a plea deal stating the opposite!

 

[Pi Thoughts]

“Rourke said his office discussed whether to require Watts to provide a full and accurate account of what happened during the slayings, but said everyone involved agreed Watts would never offer a truthful statement.”

Colorado man pleads guilty to killing young daughters, pregnant wife

That’s pretty damning IMO that everyone in the DA’s office felt CW would never tell the truth about the murders. This underlying feeling of distrust in CW would have driven them to pull out all stops to achieve a conviction. MOO

 

[Kadoober]

BBM I also found that interesting, especially since Bella was the one who had his personality (according to him). I suspect Bella was his favorite and would have guessed she would have been the one he'd show the most emotion over.

His description of Bella and Celeste and their personalities in relation to himself and Shanann has always sat wrong with me, and it being the mention of Celeste that set him off in tears kind of solidified my feelings. I'm not sure if I can describe this well, but I'm going to try.

He said:

'Celeste, she’s just a bubble of energy, she’s called rampage because she’s like… she’s always… it’s… she’s got two speeds - go or she’s sleeping and she’s always a troublemaker, she’s always the one jumping off things, you know, and she’s yelling at you and all kind of things. Bella she’s the more calm, cautious, mothering type and she’s… she’s more like me, she’s more calm, she’s… but Celeste has definitely got her mom’s personality where she’s always hung-ho ready to go.'

The things he initially says about Celeste sound... less than complimentary, and when you add that at the end he says she has her mom's personality, it sounds like victim blaming. She's a troublemaker, she's yelling and all kind of things. 'She's always gung ho and ready to go' definitely sounds like a quality Celeste has received from Shanann... but I think the 'rampage', the troublemaker and the yelling... are all CW.

Bella being the more calm, the more mothering type, more like HIM? Nope. I'm not buying it. I do not and cannot buy that he was the mother in this family.

I think the descriptions of the girls may be fairly accurate (but more in the sense of feisty vs. structured), but he is distributing their qualities in a manner that makes him look like the good guy. Don't look at CW for this, for he is the voice of reason, the calm in a storm. Pfft.

He used 63 words to describe Celeste. He used 18 to describe Bella. For what that's worth.

Rampage vs. Mothering.

If we had to pick, who do you think he identified with more strongly?

 

[mtnlites]

His description of Bella and Celeste and their personalities in relation to himself and Shanann has always sat wrong with me, and it being the mention of Celeste that set him off in tears kind of solidified my feelings. I'm not sure if I can describe this well, but I'm going to try.

He said:

'Celeste, she’s just a bubble of energy, she’s called rampage because she’s like… she’s always… it’s… she’s got two speeds - go or she’s sleeping and she’s always a troublemaker, she’s always the one jumping off things, you know, and she’s yelling at you and all kind of things. Bella she’s the more calm, cautious, mothering type and she’s… she’s more like me, she’s more calm, she’s… but Celeste has definitely got her mom’s personality where she’s always hung-ho ready to go.'

The things he initially says about Celeste sound... less than complimentary, and when you add that at the end he says she has her mom's personality, it sounds like victim blaming. She's a troublemaker, she's yelling and all kind of things. 'She's always gung ho and ready to go' definitely sounds like a quality Celeste has received from Shanann... but I think the 'rampage', the troublemaker and the yelling... are all CW.

Bella being the more calm, the more mothering type, more like HIM? Nope. I'm not buying it. I do not and cannot buy that he was the mother in this family.

I think the descriptions of the girls may be fairly accurate (but more in the sense of feisty vs. structured), but he is distributing their qualities in a manner that makes him look like the good guy. Don't look at CW for this, for he is the voice of reason, the calm in a storm. Pfft.

He used 63 words to describe Celeste. He used 18 to describe Bella. For what that's worth.

Rampage vs. Mothering.

If we had to pick, who do you think he identified with more strongly?

I get what you're saying. And he knew his children were dead and in an oil tank, yet he was basically criticizing Celeste. Even after they were gone he seemed to find it difficult to be positive about her. "Rampage" and "troublemaker" are not particularly good descriptions of a daughter who your wife just murdered the night before. It was definitely off.