Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[MsBetsy]

I don't think I've seen this video. I sure would like to if anyone knows where to find it. I'm still lousy at navigating this sight

It's short and subtle but there was a lot of conversation about it shortly before the thread was shut down. A comment was made at one time about how it reminded someone of her husband or boyfriend who was controlling and mentally abusive and was always watching her, as if scrutinizing her. Gitana1 had some interesting things to say about it, too.

 

[Johnny1181]

It's short and subtle but there was a lot of conversation about it shortly before the thread was shut down. A comment was made at one time about how it reminded someone of her husband or boyfriend who was controlling and mentally abusive and was always watching her, as if scrutinizing her. Gitana1 had some interesting things to say about it, too.

I don't know how I missed that! That's exactly what it reminds me of. So creepy. Hands in his pockets, flexed arms, pretending to engage. With his eye on Shanann. Creepy. Sorry, that's the only word that comes to mind when I watch it. jmo

 

[katydid23]

I am different than most people. I don't think if I was in the Watt's family or Shanann's family, I would show up for the sentencing. I would never want to see him again. Their statements will not affect him. Their grief will not matter to him. His family has to deal with all the disgust that his actions have thrust on them.
Nope, I think I would go out to breakfast instead. They know he is going away for life.

If it was my son, who was being sentenced, I'd probably want to skip out on it. I don't think I could attend.

But if it was my daughter and grand babies that were murdered, I'd be there for sure. I'd want to give my impact statement, and tell that judge exactly why this should never walk free again. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I think LE are trained and experienced in determining whether or not a person is being deceitful. From the beginning I felt if they were so sure they had good reason to be. But it was the evidence, his behavior and his words that convinced me he was lying. Many comments were made in previous threads that behavior is not evidence, but to me it is important. Of course they needed solid evidence to prove that he was guilty, but from so many comments pointing out what they noticed in his interviews, what he said, trying to figure out if the events could have happened like he described, it's obvious that behavior plays a big role. Jmo

YES, behavior plays a huge role, in the start of an investigation. The spouse of a missing mother and children, should be totally truthful and transparent, in the hopes of helping to find his family. But if the detectives see deceit and deflection, then they have reason to be suspicious. Why would you lie to the people trying to find your babies, unless you don't want them to be found ?

 

[Charlot123]

Not that there's anything to laugh about, but it's comical...him thinking he could plan a story of SW and the kids perhaps leaving and just disappearing and him not having "any inclination" of where they went when there was a camera pointing at his house the whole time. I have to believe they got into an argument and this was a crime of passion/ rage. He killed the children after SW as part of the cover.

Other than that, maybe he killed CeCe accidentally/or in a rage, and killed the other two to try and cover for it. I say this because of what he initially said about CeCe in the first couple of interviews. Plus, the reports of him crying when CeCe was named in court when he was giving his guilty plea. There's something to that.

3rd scenario, in short, he killed them to be free. How ironic.

I used to not read the social media because I was irritated by attemtps to exonerate him. But yesterday evening I took time to trace everything and everyone (surprise!), found out that I missed a lot of aspects of the story.

I always assumed that CW wanted to be free of any family in the future. Stay single to be able to expolore his - new handsomeness? Sexuality? Freedome? Something new, at least.

Information that I read yesterday prompts another version. Today I wonder if all of it was preplanned by an "aspiring social climber". Who probably did not need the whole baggage in his new life. And ironically, what he wanted so much at first, Shanann's pregnancy, might have been the turning point.

Too many kids, and divorcing a pregnant woman would tarnish his image. That by getting rid of them, he'd also get the house and cash on insurances, was not the main issue, but an added benefit, so to say.

Anyhow, it is surprising he thought he could get away with it, either way. Did he think people would believe in a sudden disappearance of his family, in the light of him having affairs? Did he think people would believe in a sudden disappearance of a successful vendor, Shanann, planning to grow and expand her business? People don't just run away from the house and the business, having invested so much in them. Did he think people would believe a pregnant woman leaving her OBGYN and her healthcare, given the fact it takes a while to get established with the new provider? Did he think people would believe she would not say good-bye to her friends?

How did he even expect to pull it? From day 1, he'd be the prime suspect, and no one would let him leave the state.

Waiting anxiously for the DA version of events, as my today's version might be wrong as well.

 

[Johnny1181]

If it was my son, who was being sentenced, I'd probably want to skip out on it. I don't think I could attend.

But if it was my daughter and grand babies that were murdered, I'd be there for sure. I'd want to give my impact statement, and tell that judge exactly why this should never walk free again. JMO

I agree. If I were Shanann's family I would want to be there and give my impact statement. Even though imo that monster won't internalize a word of it.

If it were my son or brother who did this, killed my granddaughters and nieces in a very vicious way I would not be there. Strangling is very cruel and personal, as was the way he dumped them. I would not visit, assist, or pump up the commissary account. Family is love and acceptance however this is above and beyond. I would see him for what he is, a monster I don't recognize who doesn't belong in society.

That sounds harsh to me when I read it but it's how I feel. I would never associate with someone like this ever, and them being a family member would not change that for me, no matter how close the family tie.

 

[ZsaZsa]

YES, behavior plays a huge role, in the start of an investigation. The spouse of a missing mother and children, should be totally truthful and transparent, in the hopes of helping to find his family. But if the detectives see deceit and deflection, then they have reason to be suspicious. Why would you lie to the people trying to find your babies, unless you don't want them to be found ?

Yes, I watched one of the parents outside that nightclub where the shootings took place last night, waiting to find out if his son was in there (killed). It was very hard to watch him, poor man could hardly breathe or talk without sobbing. One of the first things that came to my mind was the contrast with his anguish and Cw's behavior.

 

[katydid23]

I'm curious about this, too. We know it's life, but to make it easier on his family, can they move him to where they live? I would hate to think his family, after going through all this, would have to up and move to be close to him. He can have visitors, correct? @gitana1 ??

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I would have a very hard time, wanting to visit with my son, if he strangled my grand baby and my Daughterinlaw.

I love him with all my heart, and I do believe in unconditional love---kind of.

You don't need to get a masters or make millions or never make mistakes. I will love you unconditionally ---with the exception of killing your family.

Seriously, it would be hard to want to reward that behavior with family visits etc. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

I would have a very hard time, wanting to visit with my son, if he strangled my grand baby and my Daughterinlaw.

I love him with all my heart, and I do believe in unconditional love---kind of.

You don't need to get a masters or make millions or never make mistakes. I will love you unconditionally ---with the exception of killing your family.
Seriously, it would be hard to want to reward that behavior with family visits etc. JMO

I have a friend whose son harmed his young nieces and went to jail. His mother, my friend, was in the worst position.
She did not feel that she could abandon him but her other two children (which included the mother of the little girls) gave her an ultimatum.
I felt so sorry for her.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Hi Kadoober, great analysis.
I pointed this out before, but I think he stole his words from Shanann and others and that is why they sound so bizarre-- they are not his original words/thoughts. He seemed to catch himself on the "motherly like me" part and realize that didn't sound right, so he repeated the word calm. Shanann uses a similar description for Bella and herself in the caption of this video:

"One of my favorite things about Bella is she is very kind hearted! She's motherly like me! Celeste is scared of the beginning of Moana and Bella makes her feel safe! I rewatched this video and I get emotional every time! I love my girls and I'm so blessed to be their mom! (Don't mind the mess..) #Blessed #Mygirls"

Shanann Watts

Shanann also liked to affectionately call her kids names-- she called Cece "a monster" in this video: Shanann Watts
But IMO it was said with love and affection in her voice. I would not be surprised if SW called CeCe "Rampage" once as a joke or in a moment when CeCe was being a typical toddler and CW thought that was somehow a sweet thing to say about his missing 3 year old. It's as if he has no sense of context for his statements about the girls.
JMO.

My previous comment about this with some others discussing it is here: Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

I had read that too, that nothing he said were his own words. That seems to add to the speculation that he had been mimicking expected emotions and behaviors without really feeling them.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I watched one of the parents outside that nightclub where the shootings took place last night, waiting to find out if his son was in there (killed). It was very hard to watch him, poor man could hardly breathe or talk without sobbing. One of the first things that came to my mind was the contrast with his anguish and Cw's behavior.

Exactly. That was shock. That was grief. That was real.

There are probably robots that could do a better job of feigning grief than CW.

 

[Lady Justice21]

I would have a very hard time, wanting to visit with my son, if he strangled my grand baby and my Daughterinlaw.

I love him with all my heart, and I do believe in unconditional love---kind of.

You don't need to get a masters or make millions or never make mistakes. I will love you unconditionally ---with the exception of killing your family.

Seriously, it would be hard to want to reward that behavior with family visits etc. JMO

I'm not sure about the jail visits, but I would probably "need" to be at sentencing. Even just as a close family member or friend, I personally and I wouldn't begrudge someone who felt differently, I "think" I'd need to see their reaction at sentencing. I "think" I'd need to search their face or their statements if they made one to help me wrap my head around it all. It would be moot, but I "think" I'd "need" to anyway.

All my own opinion and I certainly hope I don't ever have to face that choice .

 

[Johnny1181]

I'm not sure about the jail visits, but I would probably "need" to be at sentencing. Even just as a close family member or friend, I personally and I wouldn't begrudge someone who felt differently, I "think" I'd need to see their reaction at sentencing. I "think" I'd need to search their face or their statements if they made one to help me wrap my head around it all. It would be moot, but I "think" I'd "need" to anyway.

All my own opinion and I certainly hope I don't ever have to face that choice .

I completely agree with your thoughts and sentiment. I think at this point anything seen in CW's reactions, face, statements, are unreliable. Unbelievable. I truly think he is the monster that he has been proven to be. So heartbreaking for his family. jmo

 

[Mitch11]

CW has been presented as an introvert (I am sure he was on some level, hiding so many secrets and seemingly lacking the normal range of human emotions and empathy) but he managed to fairly aggressively go after SW after she initially turned him down. He decided he wanted her and that was that, he would not be thwarted. I would guess he was the same with AP, who (IMO) was going to give him a major financial leg up. This "introvert" also seemed quite interested in popping on camera when he was in the b.g. of SW's videos; he may have been awkward and stiff and a little clueless, but he appeared to like it. On his sham TV interviews, he seemed quite chatty, and actually the least stiff we have seen him; I think he was excited and pleased with himself. I don't think he is a true introvert at all. I think it's more that he was masked, had a hidden persona, whether it be his sexcapades, bisexuality, inner rage, aggression, resentment and hostility or just shame. His "talk" about relationships was mechanical bordering on idiotic. Nothing genuine or spontaneous or introverted about him. IMO MOO.

Great post and you make some really great points. All signs of a (covert) narcassist..

 

[MCDRAW]

I want to see this family’s financials, at it may explain a lot.

If finances is what caused him to murder his entire family, why didn't he just commit suicide and leave Shanann to deal with it all?

 

[Sixcats1]

Welcome Sixcats.
Your first post.
So you don't have to pretend, to be away, and not answer your door when unwanted folk are at your door, as you see them.
Guess your six cats will warn you when these unwanted folk ring the doorbell also.

I can check if it is just a package being dropped off or if I need to answer it. Most of us just leave the notifications on all of the time. I would not suspect that CW had it on that day and not every day. And the cats could not care less, even the imposing huskies will not notify me. My toy dogs, like the one the Watts had, bark like crazy when anyone enters the property.

 

[MCDRAW]

What changed was that CW was not speaking from memory, he was speaking the evidence.

Wow! That's good. I never thought about him speaking the evidence.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

If he was my son I would disown him.

Me too. Totally disown him.

No way would I waste my Frequent Flyer Miles to fly up for his sentencing.

 

[mtnlites]

I want to see this family’s financials, at it may explain a lot.

I don't think it will explain a thing. I've been on Food Stamps and Medicaid in the past, and we're currently going through bankruptcy. It sucks, but we haven't gone on a killing rampage. If he were stressed about money, then I could buy it as a motive for self-harm. It would definitely not explain him taking out his entire family.

I see no outside influences "explaining" this. CW's actions were his and his alone.

 

[Johnny1181]

I can check if it is just a package being dropped off or if I need to answer it. Most of us just leave the notifications on all of the time. I would not suspect that CW had it on that day and not every day. And the cats could not care less, even the imposing huskies will not notify me. My toy dogs, like the one the Watts had, bark like crazy when anyone enters the property.

I've always been a dog guy. Had my girls from when they were born til the day they had to be put to rest.

Now I've got these cats that I'm figuring out what to do with lol! We make it work lol. Seriously, true story, a homeless couple living in their car in St Louis asked me to take them in as I was walking to the grocery store. I did.

They're like mini dogs. Fetch and particularly one growls her head off when she hears something amiss near my windows or doors.

As protective as my one is of the door and both are of me, I started thinking about Shanann's dog Deeter (spelling?). If someone were in my home harming me my Sammie and Monkey would be going crazy. I keep seeing posts in past threads about a well check called in because the dog was barking. Is this true? Any links? Was that phoned in? Just trying to piece the events of that horrific weekend together. I missed the resolution of this topic